The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (22 Viewers)

[Grendel]

Shouldn't this be said about remaining as well over a million people more voted leave over remain?

It’s desperate straw clutching - if voting was compulsory the demographic that largely didn’t vote would typically be the demographic that mostly voted to leave. The gap would have been much much greater

 

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[skybluetony176]

This is not my interpretation of what he said especially as the other figure was 29% that means there is only 37% remaining so by definition 34% was the highest percentage in the scenario

Did he say

A) “According to every General Election result in history, it is.”

Or

B) According to the 2005 results if you apply a huge slice of supposition, it is.

It’s A isn’t it?

 

[Grendel]

Did he say

A) “According to every General Election result in history, it is.”

Or

B) According to the 2005 results if you apply a huge slice of supposition, it is.

It’s A isn’t it?

He said the party with the largest vote would form a government and that largely is correct from what I can see as I’ve already explained

So would the party with the largest vote tend to form the government of the day?

 

[skybluetony176]

European Parliament voting intention:


BREX: 26% (+26)

LAB: 22% (-3)

LDEM: 19% (+12)

CON: 12% (-12)

GRN: 10% (+2)

CHUK: 4% (+4)

UKIP: 3% (-24)


via @BMGResearch, 07 - 10 May

Chgs. w/ 2014

Stop Farage parties gaining. Good news. Pity Labour still not committing to stopping the Brexit lunacy. Having Labour MEPs in sufficient numbers could create a Social Democratic majority in the EU. At least this could swing the EP more in line with the original Labour Party aims. To stick to the result of a 3 years ago flawed referendum and deny European social democrats a chance to effect some changes in the EU, is contrary to the interests of working people throughout the EU. Selfish.

The majority of people in the UK did not consider Brexit a cause worth voting for. They stayed at home or voted remain. The status quo actually won. Which is why we are where we are and can’t agree how to leave, or what we actually want.

So basically the 3 remain parties combined are polling 33%, the 2 Hard Brexit parties are polling 29%. You have to discount Labour because no one knows what they really want and are split. You have to discount the Conservatives because they are also split and don’t have a clue how to get us out of the mess they’ve got us into.

 

[Grendel]

So basically the 3 remain parties combined are polling 33%, the 2 Hard Brexit parties are polling 29%. You have to discount Labour because no one knows what they really want and are split. You have to discount the Conservatives because they are also split and don’t have a clue how to get us out of the mess they’ve got us into.

Er it’s 34% to the brexit party - well done though you have bought into mad Marts dillusions

Brexit weekly briefing: panic as Farage polls highest for EU elections

 

[skybluetony176]

He said the party with the largest vote would form a government and that largely is correct from what I can see as I’ve already explained

So would the party with the largest vote tend to form the government of the day?

No he didn’t. He said A. You really are a ridiculous individual. Largely correct, you mean wholesale incorrect. 1 election in history, possibly with some weighted supposition is not largely correct. If anything it’s spectacularly incorrect.

 

[Grendel]

No he didn’t. He said A. You really are a ridiculous individual. Largely correct, you mean wholesale incorrect. 1 election in history, possibly with some weighted supposition is not largely correct. If anything it’s spectacularly incorrect.

No saying a party had 36% when it had 42% is spectacularly incorrect

 

[skybluetony176]

Er it’s 34% to the brexit party - well done though you have bought into mad Marts dillusions

Brexit weekly briefing: panic as Farage polls highest for EU elections

Not in the poll Mart is referencing it isn’t and that’s what I was referring to/quoting. Sorry if that very very simple concept is over your head. You’re starting to sound rattled with your desperation.

 

[skybluetony176]

No saying a party had 36% when it had 42% is spectacularly incorrect

For which I had the good grace and common sense to acknowledge. Shame you’re incapable of them same qualities. You wouldn’t look the first class prat if you did. The irony is of course that your correction only served to strengthen my point, as did your goalpost shuffling.

 

[Grendel]

Not in the poll Mart is referencing it isn’t and that’s what I was referring to/quoting. Sorry if that very very simple concept is over your head. You’re starting to sound rattled with your desperation.

No because it’s BMG and they often “produce” polls that show a result different to others.

It excludes insures who had s preference and all it did was make a nice sound byte in the independent

 

[Grendel]

For which I had the good grace and common sense to acknowledge. Shame you’re incapable of them same qualities. You wouldn’t look the first class prat if you did. The irony is of course that your correction only served to strengthen my point, as did your goalpost shuffling.

You are now making bizarre claims that we need to exclude certain parties voting intentions and are now quoting Mad Marts rogue poll as some random way to show remain is on some kind of lead

 

[martcov]

I asked you to show me where I said anything of the sort. But all you have done is make out that I still have said something to carry on with the same old crap.

I could see exactly what Farage was up to. I saw what could happen. People like yourself rubbished what I said at the time. Now it has happened you now treat me like a Farage supporter.

The main difference between the two of us on this subject is that I am willing to look further than the end of my nose to see what is and what could happen. I don't go around accusing people just because they say what I don't agree with.

And someone isn't either an idiot or in it for the money just because they want to leave the EU.

Or because they want to remain in the EU. You missed that out.

 

[martcov]

You are now making bizarre claims that we need to exclude certain parties voting intentions and are now quoting Mad Marts rogue poll as some random way to show remain is on some kind of lead

By the same company leavers were quoting last week as definite proof that the country wants to leave.

 

[martcov]

Do you actually believe this rubbish?

I was supposed to believe it when leavers were quoting it showing leave parties winning.

 

[Grendel]

By the same company leavers were quoting last week as definite proof that the country wants to leave.

The conservative manifesto is to leave. Labour has some fudge statement but 70% of its constituencies are leave seats.

What I’m amazed given your view there has been lies, collision from Russia and a massive desire to remain there is no evidence at all of this in these polls. Why?

 

[skybluetony176]

No because it’s BMG and they often “produce” polls that show a result different to others.

It excludes insures who had s preference and all it did was make a nice sound byte in the independent

Whereas we should only pay attention to the polls that you were wetting yourself over in the run up to the 2017 GE causing you proclaim an annihilation of Labour that would consign Corbyn to the history books with a conservative whitewash? How did that work out for you by the way? History tells us you’re hardly an authority on opinion polls.

 

[Grendel]

Whereas we should only pay attention to the polls that you were wetting yourself over in the run up to the 2017 GE causing you proclaim an annihilation of Labour that would consign Corbyn to the history books with a conservative whitewash? How did that work out for you by the way? History tells us you’re hardly an authority on opinion polls.

Why did this polling company get into a spot of bother recently?

 

[skybluetony176]

Why did this polling company get into a spot of bother recently?

Did they falsely claim that according to every General Election result in history 34% of the popular vote is enough to form a government?

 

[shmmeee]

Brexit Party candidate boasting about all the cash he’ll make off a hard Brexit.

Something something will of the people though, I’m sure. Top non-Elite bloke just a patriotic fellow no doubt. *rolls eyes so hard they fall out*

 

[martcov]

The conservative manifesto is to leave. Labour has some fudge statement but 70% of its constituencies are leave seats.

What I’m amazed given your view there has been lies, collision from Russia and a massive desire to remain there is no evidence at all of this in these polls. Why?

According to leavers, the Conservative aim is BRINO and not leaving.

Who mentioned collusion? Troll farms. Yes. Trying to influence the vote through SM. Of course. Offering dodgy businessmen lucrative deals. Yes.

Colluding with who?

Not a massive desire to remain, but only 37% had a massive desire to leave and actually voted leave. The rest either voted remain or couldn’t be bothered to vote either way.

 

[skybluetony176]

Brexit Party candidate boasting about all the cash he’ll make off a hard Brexit.

Something something will of the people though, I’m sure. Top non-Elite bloke just a patriotic fellow no doubt. *rolls eyes so hard they fall out*

Party of the people. If the people are the elite and not the plebs they’re tricking into voting for them of the back of unfounded rhetoric and sound bites. We know what we voted for. I seriously doubt that unless you voted for the likes of Rees-Mogg, Ferage, Banks and their cronies to capitalise on your hardships

 

[Grendel]

According to leavers, the Conservative aim is BRINO and not leaving.

Who mentioned collusion? Troll farms. Yes. Trying to influence the vote through SM. Of course. Offering dodgy businessmen lucrative deals. Yes.

Colluding with who?

Not a massive desire to remain, but only 37% had a massive desire to leave and actually voted leave. The rest either voted remain or couldn’t be bothered to vote either way.

Ha ha you are trying to now say those who didn’t vote need to be lumped in the remain camp

You are starting to believe this may happen and are literally crapping yourself aren’t you?

 

[martcov]

Party of the people. If the people are the elite and not the plebs they’re tricking into voting for them of the back of unfounded rhetoric and sound bites. We know what we voted for. I seriously doubt that unless you voted for the likes of Rees-Mogg, Ferage, Banks and their cronies to capitalise on your hardships

Traders and investors stand to make money on the collapse of the pound. Doesn’t mention anything about the forgotten people in post industrial Britain. They have been told to believe in Britain and, by Farage, that Juncker is permanently drunk after lunch and that they should vote for the BXP to show their faith in Great Britain.

 

[Grendel]

Traders and investors stand to make money on the collapse of the pound. Doesn’t mention anything about the forgotten people in post industrial Britain. They have been told to believe in Britain and, by Farage, that Juncker is permanently drunk after lunch and that they should vote for the BXP to show their faith in Great Britain.

No they’ve been let down by successive governments and sold down the river so they are angry

 

[martcov]

Ha ha you are trying to now say those who didn’t vote need to be lumped in the remain camp

You are starting to believe this may happen and are literally crapping yourself aren’t you?

No, I am saying that if people wanted to alter the status quo, they would have said so. Staying at home shows indifference to the question. Hardly a mandate to take the country on a potentially disastrous adventure.

 

[martcov]

No they’ve been let down by successive governments and sold down the river so they are angry

They will be even more angry when Brexit crashes and traders and speculators cash in.

It really is a scandal that someone like Farage gets so much airtime and that people willing part with 25£ to become registered voters for the BXP, but haven’t been told what is in the manifesto, and don’t have a vote in the party that they seem to think they are members of. I feel sorry for these people.

 

[SIR ERNIE]

It really is a scandal that someone like Farage gets so much airtime

Crap.
As leader of a party that’s polling at 34% and growing, it would be scandalous if broadcasters weren’t queueing up to get him on TV and radio.
He's on TV and radio because he’s not scared of being interviewed. Unlike Corbyn and May who are frightened to show their face and dodge every opportunity.

 

[Grendel]

No, I am saying that if people wanted to alter the status quo, they would have said so. Staying at home shows indifference to the question. Hardly a mandate to take the country on a potentially disastrous adventure.

Well it it’s as that’s how a democratic process (a real one not a pretend Eu one) actually works

 

[martcov]

Crap.
As leader of a party that’s polling at 34% and growing, it would be scandalous if broadcasters weren’t queueing up to get him on TV and radio.
He's on TV and radio because he’s not scared of being interviewed. Unlike Corbyn and May who are frightened to show their face and dodge every opportunity.

He won’t answer penetrating questions and usually attacks the interviewer. He likes interviews with Fox News or Von Storch from the AfD. He doesn’t like interviews from James O‘Brien or Andrew Marr.

He uses interviews as a party politicial broadcast and, apart from repeating his lines from the last 25 years, doesn’t say anything new or fact based.

 

[Grendel]

Crap.
As leader of a party that’s polling at 34% and growing, it would be scandalous if broadcasters weren’t queueing up to get him on TV and radio.
He's on TV and radio because he’s not scared of being interviewed. Unlike Corbyn and May who are frightened to show their face and dodge every opportunity.

What’s a bigger scandal is Heidi Whatshername and Austerity Anna get any airtime as they command a whopping 4% and they are getting equal footing with Farage

 

[Grendel]

He won’t answer penetrating questions and usually attacks the interviewer. He likes interviews with Fox News or Von Storch from the AfD. He doesn’t like interviews from James O‘Brien or Andrew Marr.

He uses interviews as a party politicial broadcast and, apart from repeating his lines from the last 25 years, doesn’t say anything new or fact based.

His popularity rose after the Mart interview - he played it brilliantly

 

[martcov]

Well it it’s as that’s how a democratic process (a real one not a pretend Eu one) actually works

The EU elections offer a choice. I had the choice of over 40 candidates. The EU referendum was binary and did not indicate how people wanted to leave. E.g. no deal, May‘s deal or some other deal.

Deeply flawed from the very concept ion.

The UK system has been completely exposed as not fit for purpose. Unlike the „pretend EU one“ which is working just fine.

 

[martcov]

His popularity rose after the Mart interview - he played it brilliantly

He flailed around and attacked the attacker. For people like you „that showed them“. For rational people that showed that, when confronted with his „policies“ he goes into gear to avoid answering the questions. It is pretty obvious from that interview, that he has good reasons to hide his manifesto until after you & co. have voted for him.

 

[Grendel]

The EU elections offer a choice. I had the choice of over 40 candidates. The EU referendum was binary and did not indicate how people wanted to leave. E.g. no deal, May‘s deal or some other deal.

Deeply flawed from the very concept ion.

The UK system has been completely exposed as not fit for purpose. Unlike the „pretend EU one“ which is working just fine.

Of course it’s working fine - The reich bares it’s teeth now and again and the poor and needy fall into line paralysed with fear.

I’m sure the USSR and National socialists all were working fine for people like you who benefit from it

 

[Grendel]

He flailed around and attacked the attacker. For people like you „that showed them“. For rational people that showed that, when confronted with his „policies“ he goes into gear to avoid answering the questions. It is pretty obvious from that interview, that he has good reasons to hide his manifesto until after you & co. have voted for him.

I couldn’t care about his manifesto - I want him to cause mayhem in the Brussels Reichstag - how can you have a manifesto when we are supposed to be leaving?