The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (83 Viewers)

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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%

  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%

  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%
  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed .
skybluetony176

skybluetony176

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SkyblueBazza said:
Again? Cheaper foreign imports have nowt to do with it at all though eh? It's Nigel Farage & Brexit's fault no doubt?

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Scunthorpe is one of the few sites in the world that can produce rail tracks and IIRC can produce them longer than any other site in the world. What’s left of British Steel is left because what it largely offers is unique or limited, nothing to do with cheap imports really.
 
Astute

Astute

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skybluetony176 said:
Scunthorpe is one of the few sites in the world that can produce rail tracks and IIRC can produce them longer than any other site in the world. What’s left of British Steel is left because what it largely offers is unique or limited, nothing to do with cheap imports really.
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So what is it then? Are you trying to blame it on Brexit?
 
SBAndy

SBAndy

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Reading the story, they seem to cite a lack of European demand and the escalating trade war between the US and China. Doesn’t scream “specialist products” to me. Of course this may be their cover story, as it is awfully convenient that their deadline is the day before European elections.
 
Grendel

Grendel

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Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Another milkshake, another set of proof that the argument has been lost.

If that was Corbyn or Vince Cable I would imagine many on here would be outraged. Yet there is silence.
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The attacker who threw an egg at Corbyn was found guilty of assault and jailed for 28 days
 
Astute

Astute

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skybluetony176 said:
I’m not trying to say anything. If you bother to read the article it tells you what British Steel has said.
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I lived near Scunny for a long time. It has been on dodgy ground for a lot of years. It is good making specialised items as long as there is a market at all times to keep you going.
 
skybluetony176

skybluetony176

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Astute said:
I lived near Scunny for a long time. It has been on dodgy ground for a lot of years. It is good making specialised items as long as there is a market at all times to keep you going.
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Under TATA ownership the site had lots of investment. We supplied loads of hardware into their for substations for upgrades and refurbishment. They’ve laid the blame clearly at the door of brexit, everything from having to settle their carbon bill due to brexit to the falling pound (apparently that’s supposed to help our manufacturing industry).
 
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djr8369

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Grendel said:
The attacker who threw an egg at Corbyn was found guilty of assault and jailed for 28 days
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He threw a punch didn’t he? Don’t think anything happened to those who egged Prescott or Milliband (aside from Prescott throwing a punch).


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djr8369

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djr8369 said:
He threw a punch didn’t he? Don’t think anything happened to those who egged Prescott or Milliband (aside from Prescott throwing a punch).


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Just seen the guy has been charged anyway.


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Grendel

Grendel

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djr8369 said:
He threw a punch didn’t he? Don’t think anything happened to those who egged Prescott or Milliband (aside from Prescott throwing a punch).


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He planted an egg on his head. Corbyn made great play about feeling threatened and needing extra security

Not as much extra security as a certain Jewish MP who received death threats from Corbyn supporters but hey ho
 
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SkyblueBazza

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djr8369 said:
He threw a punch didn’t he? Don’t think anything happened to those who egged Prescott or Milliband (aside from Prescott throwing a punch).


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Maybe it is the 'climate' given death threats etc toward politicians now as opposed to then. Adds gravity to the situation & tbh I think irresponsible behaviour

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djr8369

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SkyblueBazza said:
Maybe it is the 'climate' given death threats etc toward politicians now as opposed to then. Adds gravity to the situation & tbh I think irresponsible behaviour

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It certainly does. After Farage and his ilk have already helped drive someone to murder an MP we can’t be too careful.


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Grendel

Grendel

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djr8369 said:
It certainly does. After Farage and his ilk have already helped drive someone to murder an MP we can’t be too careful.


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Ha ha ha ha ha
 
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SkyblueBazza

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djr8369 said:
It certainly does. After Farage and his ilk have already helped drive someone to murder an MP we can’t be too careful.


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Harsh to blame him & his ilk directly isn't it? People felt very strongly about the invasion of Iraq & many other things but don't go around murdering MPs over it. The guy was driven by a mental illness I would say

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djr8369

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SkyblueBazza said:
Harsh to blame him & his ilk directly isn't it? People felt very strongly about the invasion of Iraq & many other things but don't go around murdering MPs over it. The guy was driven by a mental illness I would say

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I’m not blaming him directly I said “helped drive someone to”.

If you’re going to constantly use words like “traitor”, stoke division between groups and suggest picking up a rifle if his desired outcome isn’t achieved then you are going to push people who are on the edge into doing something crazy.

The guy was found to be sane and his mental issues mainly linked to depression so weren’t a factor in the murder.


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skybluetony176

skybluetony176

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SkyblueBazza said:
Harsh to blame him & his ilk directly isn't it? People felt very strongly about the invasion of Iraq & many other things but don't go around murdering MPs over it. The guy was driven by a mental illness I would say

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He did indeed have mental illness. As did anyone else committing acts of terrorism in the U.K.. Sane people just don’t go around shooting people, running down people, stabbing people etc in the street. It’s as simple as that. People like Stephen are hate preachers. It really shouldn’t come as a surprise that people incapable of a normal thought process latch on to what hate preachers have to say and then react in the way they do.
 
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SkyBlueDom26 said:
Traitor May has included the option for them clowns to vote for a second referendum then if her deal gets through...

So much for 'democracy'
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So much for a public vote being democracy, yeah. Down with those workers' rights too, we don't want any of that!

Anyway, it's only a vote on whether to hold one or not, so it's entirely possible they could pass it, and then not have a referendum.
 
Grendel

Grendel

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Deleted member 5849 said:
So much for a public vote being democracy, yeah. Down with those workers' rights too, we don't want any of that!

Anyway, it's only a vote on whether to hold one or not, so it's entirely possible they could pass it, and then not have a referendum.
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At some point the country will leave the EU - this is a cast iron certainty - I accept a soft exit needs to be implemented and this is what should have been worked on but a second referendum of in and out again will have the same result
 
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Deleted member 5849

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Grendel said:
At some point the country will leave the EU - this is a cast iron certainty - I accept a soft exit needs to be implemented and this is what should have been worked on but a second referendum of in and out again will have the same result
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With a far clearer idea of what people are actually voting for, it would be far easier to take.

The last referendum was far, far too vague. With an actual choice ahead of them, then it's far easier to accept a result, rather than eleventy billion people all clamouring for something completely different.

Or... we let de Pfeffell lead us out with no deal, and destruction.
 
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As an aside, what I find remarkably bizarre is that May's talks with Labour break down and then, on the surface at least, she appears to have given them much of what they want.

Somewhere, there must be a catch and all is not what it seems!
 
Grendel

Grendel

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Deleted member 5849 said:
With a far clearer idea of what people are actually voting for, it would be far easier to take.

The last referendum was far, far too vague. With an actual choice ahead of them, then it's far easier to accept a result, rather than eleventy billion people all clamouring for something completely different.

Or... we let de Pfeffell lead us out with no deal, and destruction.
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So would you include more than one remain option?
 
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westcountry_skyblue

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How are change.org getting on,Havent heard from them for a few weeks.
Anyone know?:woot::cigar:
 
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martcov

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Astute said:
And here was me thinking you were more understanding of the situation.

It isn't Farage that has caused all this. It is the EU and how it is run. Even all the leaders of all the countries in the EU say change is needed. But all we get is lip service and change in the opposite way needed. It is jobs for the boys and they do what they can to keep it going. The EU is a great idea. But the vast majority admit it could be done much better. What Farage has done is given people a voice. Just like the yellow vests in France.

Yes Farage is a twat. But to me freedom of speech is very important.

These EU elections will show again what the people of the UK think. And they will most probably show what the people of other countries think of the EU. It won't be to say that the EU is a bad idea. It will be to show what people think of the way it is run. People will vote against the policies forced upon them by those unelected by us that decide what we can and can't do. And this is the problem.
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Absolutely wrong. Farage is at fault for lying and winding people up. People are voting to take the EU in the direction they want it. Nobody is interested in the details of how it is run. They are electing people to represent them in the EU parliament and their governments are already represented in the EU council.
 
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