The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (56 Viewers)

[fernandopartridge]

Don’t know, but am pleased that the Liberals are gaining in support. The Tories and labour have screwed up.

The Liberals have played a massive role in the Brexit vote, they enabled the Tory austerity policies. They're utter shysters, I have no respect at all for them.

 

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[Ian1779]

Don’t know, but am pleased that the Liberals are gaining in support. The Tories and labour have screwed up.

Liberals - people that are doing OK, but really don’t give a fuck about anyone but themselves.

 

[Ian1779]

The Liberals have played a massive role in the Brexit vote, they enabled the Tory austerity policies. They're utter shysters, I have no respect at all for them.

The policy they were most proud of was implementing a carrier bag charge. In order to get though they agreed to cruel welfare cuts.

 

[Astute]

Sorry to be pedantic but a quarter of the population didn’t even bother to vote in the EU referendum. No one knows how the Brexit party would do in a GE because the Euro Elections had a low turnout in the UK (I think around 35%) and you’d think that those who would vote for Farage in a GE would have been worked up enough to vote in the Euro Elections.

Did I say Farage would get in?

But doesn't it worry you that the main parties and voters are split but Brexit party has a large following for something that has just started?

There will be more heads in the sand until it goes tits up even more. Remain needs to unite to get anywhere. But they won't.

 

[Astute]

I say again. Things like Selmayr are bad, but not the most important when it comes to voting for a particular party or the UK leaving the EU.

They have strengthened the procedures for the future. Good.

May‘s appointment as head of UK civil service will be there long after she has gone and no procedures have been altered. No mention of that from you.

The EU will reform. There is more interest in the EU than for decades. Which is great. People are getting involved, which can only be a good thing. The UK is represented largely by useless chancers in the BXP whose only aim is to disrupt and cash in as much as possible. Disgusting.

Here is a nice description of the most likely, unelected by popular vote, next PM of the UK:
“He’s lied his way through life, he’s lied his way through politics, he’s a huckster with a degree of charm to which I am immune” & “as well as being mendacious he’s incompetent”

Well said Chris Patten. Enjoy.

Strengthened for the future? How about the present? Because it doesn't give you the slightest bit of faith to trust them in the future.

 

[martcov]

Lol they are the biggest liars in parliament with the morals of a jellyfish

The most likely candidate for the next PM is the biggest liar with the worst morals in parliament, and that is saying something.

BoJo now has the endorsement of the biggest liar with the worse morals in America.

 

[martcov]

The Libs never live up to their potential in GE's. If that gobby bint Swinson gets to run the show, doubt they will do much good. Can't answer a question without shouting she wants to "ditch brexit".

I haven’t seen her shouting, but she does want to ditch the self harm project called Brexit. She has a lot of support for that.

 

[Sick Boy]

The most likely candidate for the next PM is the biggest liar with the worst morals in parliament, and that is saying something.

BoJo now has the endorsement of the biggest liar with the worse morals in America.

I think Johnson has also held meetings with that nice white supremacist, Steve Bannon.

 

[martcov]

Strengthened for the future? How about the present? Because it doesn't give you the slightest bit of faith to trust them in the future.

The present is that they have changed the system for the future.

Now, back to May‘s appointment of the UK head of Civil Service? How was that job advertised, how many people were involved in the appointment? You class a tribunal of 3 appointing Selmayr as maladministration because they should have used the more transparent procedure of advertising the job before making the appointment. The UK system allows one person to make the appointment, the PM. But, you are obsessed with the Selmayr appointment whilst not acknowledging that the appointment was more transparent than May’s and an ombudsman was brought in the examine the appointment. Recommendations were made to strengthen the system. Selmayr’s qualifications for the job were not disputed.

The outcry in the EU shows that this behaviour is not tolerated. We’ve been through the censure in the EU parliament. Parliaments cannot Sack civil servants.

 

[martcov]

Liberals - people that are doing OK, but really don’t give a fuck about anyone but themselves.

I think that is a bit of a sweeping statement. The fact that more and more people are joining the liberals because of their unequivocal stance on Brexit shows that people who do care about what is going on see the liberals as the best hope.

I do give a fuck about other people, which is why I am against Farage, BoJo, Davis, Raab, Gove and the crock of shit Brexit. The Tories created this mess, and as long as Corbyn is leader of the Labour party, the Liberals are the only real alternative as an opposition party to a Tory Brexit.

 

[martcov]

I think Johnson has also held meetings with that nice white supremacist, Steve Bannon.

Bannon = the puppet master.

 

[Sick Boy]

Bannon = the puppet master.

Exactly, however I believe Johnson is actually more to the left of the moderates in the Tory party, and don’t believe his public views on Brexit are his true beliefs. His thirst for power and the job as PM ensures that he does and says what he has to to get the job, and I fully expect him to.

I can’t wait to hear his excuses around Brexit in 4 months time though hahaha

 

[Grendel]

I think that is a bit of a sweeping statement. The fact that more and more people are joining the liberals because of their unequivocal stance on Brexit shows that people who do care about what is going on see the liberals as the best hope.

I do give a fuck about other people, which is why I am against Farage, BoJo, Davis, Raab, Gove and the crock of shit Brexit. The Tories created this mess, and as long as Corbyn is leader of the Labour party, the Liberals are the only real alternative as an opposition party to a Tory Brexit.

The liberals led the polls in 2010 when that snake oil salesman Clegg sold everyone a dream of a new dawn in politics before showing that he was just a grubby grasping liar.

 

[Grendel]

I think that is a bit of a sweeping statement. The fact that more and more people are joining the liberals because of their unequivocal stance on Brexit shows that people who do care about what is going on see the liberals as the best hope.

I do give a fuck about other people, which is why I am against Farage, BoJo, Davis, Raab, Gove and the crock of shit Brexit. The Tories created this mess, and as long as Corbyn is leader of the Labour party, the Liberals are the only real alternative as an opposition party to a Tory Brexit.

Be honest you’d back a return for the blood stained Blair creature if it ensured we remained chained to the EU

 

[Ian1779]

I think that is a bit of a sweeping statement. The fact that more and more people are joining the liberals because of their unequivocal stance on Brexit shows that people who do care about what is going on see the liberals as the best hope.

I do give a fuck about other people, which is why I am against Farage, BoJo, Davis, Raab, Gove and the crock of shit Brexit. The Tories created this mess, and as long as Corbyn is leader of the Labour party, the Liberals are the only real alternative as an opposition party to a Tory Brexit.

The irony is that the Liberals are the main reason we are here in the first place. Climbing into bed with the Tories, facilitating austerity so they could have their moment of power. They helped Cameron create this mess.

For such an ‘unequivocal’ message why would climb back into power with the Tories in a heartbeat? Their prospective new leaders have both said so. They have nothing to offer this country apart from more of the same.

My statement stands up pretty well.

 

[SBAndy]

The present is that they have changed the system for the future.

Now, back to May‘s appointment of the UK head of Civil Service? How was that job advertised, how many people were involved in the appointment? You class a tribunal of 3 appointing Selmayr as maladministration because they should have used the more transparent procedure of advertising the job before making the appointment. The UK system allows one person to make the appointment, the PM. But, you are obsessed with the Selmayr appointment whilst not acknowledging that the appointment was more transparent than May’s and an ombudsman was brought in the examine the appointment. Recommendations were made to strengthen the system. Selmayr’s qualifications for the job were not disputed.

The outcry in the EU shows that this behaviour is not tolerated. We’ve been through the censure in the EU parliament. Parliaments cannot Sack civil servants.

You’ve identified there that the UK system allows one person to make the appointment. It may not be fully palatable but it is what it is. It’s our law hence it’s not maladministration.

The EU did not follow their own rules. You walk past this time and time again. It might ‘only’ be a minor incident to you but look at it from the other perspective for christ’s sake. They disregard their rules on one thing, what’s to say they can be trusted? Even the ombudsman highlighted that acting in such a blasé manner will damage public trust. I know you are a staunch ‘remainer’ and have no problem with that, but assume for a second you wanted to leave, would you feel more or less confident following the news that their internal processes were not followed?

 

[SIR ERNIE]

I do give a fuck about other people, which is why I am against Farage, BoJo, Davis, Raab, Gove and the crock of shit Brexit.

I actually don’t believe you give a toss about these ‘other people’ or the UK itself. All you care about is the EU. You have a fanatical obsession with it, an unquestioning loyalty. You’re an EU extremist, utterly intolerant of any opposition to the EU. 1,056 pages prove that.

You're opposed to Brexit not because you believe it might harm the UK but because you know for certain it will harm the EU.

 

[Grendel]

I actually don’t believe you give a toss about these ‘other people’ or the UK itself. All you care about is the EU. You have a fanatical obsession with it, an unquestioning loyalty. You’re an EU extremist, utterly intolerant of any opposition to the EU. 1,056 pages prove that.

You're opposed to Brexit not because you believe it might harm the UK but because you know for certain it will harm the EU.

As I’ve said he’d have supported the nazis if the wanted the Eu

I feel a bit sorry for him as he clearly has issues and needs therapy

He should be banned from herd so he can try and get his life back together

 

[Astute]

The present is that they have changed the system for the future.

Now, back to May‘s appointment of the UK head of Civil Service? How was that job advertised, how many people were involved in the appointment? You class a tribunal of 3 appointing Selmayr as maladministration because they should have used the more transparent procedure of advertising the job before making the appointment. The UK system allows one person to make the appointment, the PM. But, you are obsessed with the Selmayr appointment whilst not acknowledging that the appointment was more transparent than May’s and an ombudsman was brought in the examine the appointment. Recommendations were made to strengthen the system. Selmayr’s qualifications for the job were not disputed.

The outcry in the EU shows that this behaviour is not tolerated. We’ve been through the censure in the EU parliament. Parliaments cannot Sack civil servants.

You also missed out that Selmayr also didn't hold a position that made him able to even apply for the job he was given.

And here you go again. The UK allows you say yet twist it into maladministration.

You say the outcry in the EU after Selmayr was appointed shows that this sort of behaviour by those in charge of the EU will not be tolerated. Why is that? Nothing changed. They broke the rules, regulations and laws to appoint him. They were found guilty twice. Yet he kept the position.

 

[tommydazzle]

The policy they were most proud of was implementing a carrier bag charge. In order to get though they agreed to cruel welfare cuts.

They also were responsible for the raising of the income tax threshold so that low wage earners (everyone actually) could keep more of their earnings an easy non-bureaucratic policy which makes a difference. I seem to remember Labour abolishing the 10p tax rate and immediately doubling the tax for the lowest paid.

 

[skybluetony176]

They also were responsible for the raising of the income tax threshold so that low wage earners (everyone actually) could keep more of their earnings an easy non-bureaucratic policy which makes a difference. I seem to remember Labour abolishing the 10p tax rate and immediately doubling the tax for the lowest paid.

TBF to the Lib Dem’s they also stopped a lot of the Tories policies coming to fruition during the coalition. They stopped things like the watering down of the ban on fox hunting amongst other quite extraordinary things the Tories wanted to do if they wasn’t in a coalition. 21 extreme Tory policies the Lib Dems blocked

 

[martcov]

The irony is that the Liberals are the main reason we are here in the first place. Climbing into bed with the Tories, facilitating austerity so they could have their moment of power. They helped Cameron create this mess.

For such an ‘unequivocal’ message why would climb back into power with the Tories in a heartbeat? Their prospective new leaders have both said so. They have nothing to offer this country apart from more of the same.

My statement stands up pretty well.

Whatever. I agree that they screwed up at the last chance of power. Labour members are massively against Brexit, as is at least half the country. Corbyn should be United with the EU social democrats. They needed a good showing and more Lab MEPs in the EU parliament. Corbyn is by default an enabler.

The Liberals are the only chance to save the rights we now enjoy and to stop a right wing coup.

My statement stands up as well.

 

[Grendel]

Whatever. I agree that they screwed up at the last chance of power. Labour members are massively against Brexit, as is at least half the country. Corbyn should be United with the EU social democrats. They needed a good showing and more Lab MEPs in the EU parliament. Corbyn is by default an enabler.

The Liberals are the only chance to save the rights we now enjoy and to stop a right wing coup.

My statement stands up as well.

So you’d support anyone regardless as long as they vote remain

Get help

 

[martcov]

You also missed out that Selmayr also didn't hold a position that made him able to even apply for the job he was given.

And here you go again. The UK allows you say yet twist it into maladministration.

You say the outcry in the EU after Selmayr was appointed shows that this sort of behaviour by those in charge of the EU will not be tolerated. Why is that? Nothing changed. They broke the rules, regulations and laws to appoint him. They were found guilty twice. Yet he kept the position.

They weren’t in a court of law and therefore not found guilty or innnocent of a crime. They were found guilty of maladministration and censured by the ombudsman. He cannot be easily sacked as he didn’t invent the situation. What has changed is that the selection process has been changed.

 

[Sick Boy]

Honestly, if people vote for the Lib Dems purely due to their position on Brexit they are stupid, do they not remember voting for the pack of lying bastards off the back of the TV debates in 2010?

Why is there no attempt at all from centrists to begin to understand why people voted for Brexit?

As are those endorsing Farage purely because of Brexit

 

[skybluetony176]

They also were responsible for the raising of the income tax threshold so that low wage earners (everyone actually) could keep more of their earnings an easy non-bureaucratic policy which makes a difference. I seem to remember Labour abolishing the 10p tax rate and immediately doubling the tax for the lowest paid.

Wasn’t the triple lock pension that May wanted to scrap in her manifesto for the last GE only to embarrassingly climb down during the campaign and then have to start claiming nothing has changed even though it clearly had, also a Lib Dem policy introduced under the coalition? Certainly came in under the coalition anyway.

 

[skybluetony176]

So you’d support anyone regardless as long as they vote remain

Get help

You mean like how you’ve voted for Nigel “the man” Ferage despite once labelling him the head of a racist party and anyone who voted for him a racist just because he votes leave?

 

[Astute]

They weren’t in a court of law and therefore not found guilty or innnocent of a crime. They were found guilty of maladministration and censured by the ombudsman. He cannot be easily sacked as he didn’t invent the situation. What has changed is that the selection process has been changed.

Where they found guilty of breaking EU laws they made themselves?

The selection process has been changed? How has it changed and what difference would it make?

They were all in on it. They were all guilty of what happened. Even you agreed that it was totally wrong and he should leave the position. But you are still there defending them all the time.

 

[martcov]

So you’d support anyone regardless as long as they vote remain

Get help

No. It’s you who are wetting yourself about Farage’s party because they are leave at any cost.

 

[Astute]

You mean like how you’ve voted for Nigel “the man” Ferage despite once labelling him the head of a racist party and anyone who voted for him a racist just because he votes leave?

Would be better said by someone who hasn't voted for Farage and then defended him in the past.

 

[skybluetony176]

Would be better said by someone who hasn't voted for Farage and then defended him in the past.

Of you go then. You say it.

 

[Astute]

Of you go then. You say it.

I'm not like you. None of those involved in this fiasco deserve to be defended. They are all as bad as each other.

 

[skybluetony176]

I'm not like you. None of those involved in this fiasco deserve to be defended. They are all as bad as each other.

Didn’t think you would. Mouth.

 

[martcov]

Where they found guilty of breaking EU laws they made themselves?

The selection process has been changed? How has it changed and what difference would it make?

They were all in on it. They were all guilty of what happened. Even you agreed that it was totally wrong and he should leave the position. But you are still there defending them all the time.

I am not defending them. They didn’t make the laws. He is an employee and has labour law protections.

 

[martcov]

I actually don’t believe you give a toss about these ‘other people’ or the UK itself. All you care about is the EU. You have a fanatical obsession with it, an unquestioning loyalty. You’re an EU extremist, utterly intolerant of any opposition to the EU. 1,056 pages prove that.

You're opposed to Brexit not because you believe it might harm the UK but because you know for certain it will harm the EU.

It won’t harm 27 countries as it will 1 country.

I am opposed to Brexit because it was a stupid decision and an act of self harm for the UK.

The people who will be most hit by Brexit in the UK will be those who are poorest. So, yes I do care and that’s why I am against it.