The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (22 Viewers)
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Alan Dugdales Moustache
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Absolute bollocks. What do you know about most people's idea of being heavily involved in war is ? Was there conscription ? Reservists being called up? Don't assume you know what most people think what "heavily involved " means. Did the Vietnam war involve the USA to a "heavy" degree ? I'm afraid (and with the greatest respect to them ) sending in the SAS doesn't constitute a "heavy" war without putting their involvement in the context of the rest of the armed forces or economic gearing towards a war effort.
skybluetony176
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We’ve had to create the unexplained wealth order to deal with it the problem is so bad. First used in 2018 in an extremely high profile case. Suggesting that its a statement with zero basis in fact is what’s absurd.
skybluetony176
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You’re still going to vote for him though?
Alan Dugdales Moustache
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I missed it . What was the attitude towards them ? Genuinely I don't know what was said. I do know having visited the Opel car plant near Russelsheim a few years back that they hated Turkish workers. They told me so.
You can believe what you want, but you obviously missed the 3. Reich whose aims were in many cases similar to that of the Brexit party, or rather more like those of TR and UKIP. Can you show examples of 4. Reich rule in the UK as an EU country? How many have been arrested?
Alan Dugdales Moustache
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He can't . He's not an MP.
skybluetony176
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He doesn’t have to be.
Alan Dugdales Moustache
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Can you document here clear policy similarities between the Brexit party and aims of the Third Reich?, Waiting for facts here, not opinion.
Bombing Iraq and invading it were not heavy engagement? A million people matched against the war in Iraq. They obviously thought it was being heavily involved in a war. Iraq, Syria and Libya are what then? Lightly involved?
I already have.
Alan Dugdales Moustache
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No you haven't. Fake again Mr Trump.
skybluetony176
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Who voted Ferage leader of the Brexit Party? What’s the process for removing him from as leader?
Alan Dugdales Moustache
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Being German you should be familiar with the expression "Total War".
As I see it, the UK has followed the USA foreign policy all too often since WW2 . However , for you to point out the obvious fact that the UK has engaged in bombings and military action in no way paints Germany as a bastion of peace and reconciliation.
What is the state of the German army, navy and air force compared to the UK in terms of investment and numbers ?
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skybluetony176
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You forgot Afghanistan. Plus multiple skirmishes in Asia and North Africa since 1945. In fact there aren’t many years since 1945 when British forces hasn’t been involved in something on the world stage.
Yes, I am. Goebbels speech at the Sportpalast Berlin.
When they were thinking people had had enough and were wavering, Goebbels made an impassioned speech in which he asked „ do you want total war. The answer was a resounding Jawohl! A bit like asking leavers if they want no deal.
Exactly. The Falklands was pretty heavy war.
Germany is a bastion of peace since 1945 and at least has done a lot of work on Reconciliation. That is a fact. It has also tried to help bring peace in other regions. E.g. by holding Afghanistan conferences in Germany with the participants as neutral meeting place.
He cannot even research his facts before opening his mouth.
Another one who likes calling remainers Nazis:
„On 19 December, Goddard filmed himself following and verbally abusing Ms Soubry outside the Houses of Parliament.
“You are a traitor, you are a disgrace,” he shouted. “You are on the side of Adolf Hitler.”
The court heard that Ms Soubry, who later defected from the Conservatives to join Change UK, was called a “Nazi, traitor and scum”.“
Sounds familiar.
„On 19 December, Goddard filmed himself following and verbally abusing Ms Soubry outside the Houses of Parliament.
“You are a traitor, you are a disgrace,” he shouted. “You are on the side of Adolf Hitler.”
The court heard that Ms Soubry, who later defected from the Conservatives to join Change UK, was called a “Nazi, traitor and scum”.“
Sounds familiar.
skybluetony176
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In Boris we trust.
skybluetony176
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It was just a hake filled rant.
I think all the attention has gone to Boris’ head and he’s developed a cod complex.
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Alan Dugdales Moustache
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I get all of that ,It's trying to rid itself of its reputation. How large are the German armed forces compares to France and UK ? I suspect it's smaller. I wonder why ? It might be promoting itself as a forward thinking country without a strong military but it hasn't much choice in the matter, which is probably a good thing for us all.
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Alan Dugdales Moustache
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That's a bit fishy isn't it ?
Alan Dugdales Moustache
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We sent a task force. No conscription. No call ups. You would have probably handed it over to Argentina.
You see this is an example of racism which I think you asked for earlier. You are painting the entire German people with the same same brush as the Nazis.
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Removal of foreigners. Use of propaganda. Sowing distrust of public institutions designed to keep power in check. Demonisation of the hostile press. Calling opponents traitors.
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shmmeee
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Brexit Party are fairly standard right wing populists from what I’ve seen. I mean they’re basically UKIP reskinned so they would be.
Reading this: Nazi economic, social and racial policy - WJEC - Revision 1 - GCSE History - BBC Bitesize
There’s a fair bit of cross over with making the country self sufficient, national service, spending on the military.
Reading this: Nazi economic, social and racial policy - WJEC - Revision 1 - GCSE History - BBC Bitesize
There’s a fair bit of cross over with making the country self sufficient, national service, spending on the military.
Being run as a non democratic party with a leader who is virtually impossible to replace. Close alignment to wealthy financers. Pretence at being on the side of the little man and small business owner against the wealthy elite.
Promoting wartime heroism and wanting to increase military spending.
Asking people to believe in the country and promising a final victory over a perceived enemy.
Wanting to break away from multilateral organisations and go it alone.
Trump insists that Germany increases military spending on NATO. So it has chosen to spend less, but is under pressure to rearm from the USA. Seeing as Germany is not in the slightest interested in going to war, I don’t get what you have to worry about.
Sick Boy
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Have the Brexit Party actually bothered to publish a manifesto yet? Had a quick look on their website and they just seem to be asking people to ‘chip in for Brexit’.
The closest I’ve found is this
The Brexit Party Manifesto
The closest I’ve found is this
The Brexit Party Manifesto
Why would I? The task force was an amazing event. To send so much military equipment and so many men to islands on the other side of the world was a fantastic achievement- whether or not you agree with the reason. That was heavy warfare by any standard.
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Well you can’t accuse them of dishonesty. They are very clear on who they are fighting for.
Play on people‘s basic fears, keep them angry with a flow of anti EU trivia ( free Belgian chocolates to welcome MEPs at taxpayers expense, free cocktails on fact finding mission to the Caribbean are the latest reports from „our men in Brussels“. Kippers from BoJo to compliment bananas.
And them cash in.
Thanks suckers... as they go gravy training into the sunset...
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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It has been argued one of the main reasons a number of wealthy individuals, financiers etc back Brexit is because the EU wants to bring in tougher independent regulation of financial services. That doesn't suit them as it shines a light on their activities.
People like JRM want self-regulation so essentially no-one can look at what they're doing and if there are calls of impropriety the people conducting the investigation will be themselves. So a "nothing to see here, guv" attitude.