The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (32 Viewers)

[Sick Boy]

I work at the coal face (as Schmee refers to it). The industry is global as is the company I work for. I even lost my management role a few years back because the European HQ in the UK was moved to an Eastern European country where EU incentives & cheaper labour costs made it a more attractive proposition.
Yes I do know the implications of Brexit & our MD has reassured us that matters are in hand & we are ready for Brexit or non-Brexit come 31st October.
Yep got such a pension, it will probably suffer. Not sure what you mean by 'work out'...I can keep tabs on it's performance & monetary value pretty quickly & easily. When I lost my job (twice in 5yrs as it happens) my wife & I slaved & used savings/redundancy payments & had to 'make do' to pay bills (a bit of positive thinking employed there see?) - & we got through it. Now spare a thought for the many that have over time, lost their jobs because of EU cheaper labour, eh? No different for them is it?

Oh - & 7" Mr Nosey!

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If you genuinely believe that Brexit is going to prevent cheaper labour then you’re seriously deluded. It’ll either continue from the EU or from the rest of the world.

 

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[skybluetony176]

Which again has fuck all to do with my point

When you only demonstrate ignorance the only point you make is that you’re ignorant. You’ve had two things to say about that region of the UK. 1) it didn’t even enter your thought process when voting in the referendum 2) Who on earth would consider offering hearts and flowers to murderers when making any decision.

No mention of the loyal subjects, no mention of countless heroes in British history, no recognition of Northern Ireland’s contribution to British culture. Nothing. Just I didn’t consider them why would I consider terrorist. Your message is so two dimensional (literally) there’s no mistaking what you meant.

 

[Grendel]

No he wasn’t. He’s already confessed that he Northern Ireland didn't enter his thought process when voting in the referendum and the only comment he has to make on them is to label them terrorists.

No I was replying to a poster who said we need to consider their views as it’s s but like having a house burgled if your not insured - keep up Tony but then again you can’t be a democrat if 200,000 people have greater sway than 17 million

If the terror situation re occurs - and it’s never really gone away - hopefully this time we will put the culprits against a wall and shoot them - but we will probably canonise them instead

 

[Grendel]

When you only demonstrate ignorance the only point you make is that you’re ignorant. You’ve had two things to say about that region of the UK. 1) it didn’t even enter your thought process when voting in the referendum 2) Who on earth would consider offering hearts and flowers to murderers when making any decision.

No mention of the loyal subjects, no mention of countless heroes in British history, no recognition of Northern Ireland’s contribution to British culture. Nothing. Just I didn’t consider them why would I consider terrorist. Your message is so two dimensional (literally) there’s no mistaking what you meant.

We were discussing the IRA Tony

 

[djr8369]

If you genuinely believe that Brexit is going to prevent cheaper labour then you’re seriously deluded. It’ll either continue from the EU or from the rest of the world.

Condition of some of the Asian and BRIC nation trade deals I believe. Significantly cheaper labour than anywhere in EU.


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[SkyblueBazza]

I actually meant we crash out of Europe which is his utopian vision

That's funny too - I obviously didn't get it either!

Edit: oops, flicked through posts too quickly & got muddled. Perhaps I did get it!

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[skybluetony176]

Lots happened in Germany that nobody thought would happen.

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The irony here is that the mentality of your average brexiteer seems to be the same of Oswald Mosley and his black shirts. Ultimately that means you’ll be the ones that are promoting the atmosphere that allowed a Nazi Germany to happen. If you want to avoid the scenario you describe your best bet is to change your opinion to one nearer to the remain camp.

 

[djr8369]

Bazza maybe you can be the face of the Governments no deal advertising campaign. £100m being spent so you might make a few bob.

“Don’t worry, pay your bills with savings, use positive thinking and things will be ok in the end”.

Get in touch with Cummings, he may want the slogan for the next bus.


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[djr8369]

Now spare a thought for the many that have over time, lost their jobs because of EU cheaper labour, eh? No different for them is it?

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There is a key difference in that it will be a suddens two change rather than business steadily adjusting over decades. Could be quite the shock.



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[skybluetony176]

We were discussing the IRA Tony

Actually the wider conversation and the start of the conversation was about the Northern Ireland border issue and the GFA. Just because you’re only capable of talking about the region in the context of the IRA doesn’t mean that the conversation is about the IRA. It’s just a further demonstration of your ignorance of the region. The GFA is about far far more than the IRA. If you considered it in your thought process for a minute you might actually learn something. Not just about Northern Ireland but also the wider context of what it means to be British.

 

[shmmeee]

But since then we now have 2 entrenched positions of Ultra Hard Brexit and Ultra Remain. Both in my opinion are culpable for this shit storm we have now. Those that won’t accept any form of Brexit except nosediving off a cliff, and those that won’t acknowledge that the EU needs to reform at all, and that not all leavers are ignorant racists that were too stupid to know what they voted for.

Arrogance in both extremes is breathtaking.

Please show me the remainers who think the EU doesn’t need reform. Almost every remainer I’ve seen wants Remain and reform. The equivalent would be asking us to ditch the pound and join Shengen. Literally no one is suggesting that.

 

[Grendel]

Actually the wider conversation and the start of the conversation was about the Northern Ireland border issue and the GFA. Just because you’re only capable of talking about the region in the context of the IRA doesn’t mean that the conversation is about the IRA. It’s just a further demonstration of your ignorance of the region. The GFA is about far far more than the IRA. If you considered it in your thought process for a minute you might actually learn something. Not just about Northern Ireland but also the wider context of what it means to be British.

No Tony the comment was from a post by Sky Blue Dreamer and it was specifically about the IRA

How many in the referendum in Ireland voted to leave Tony?

 

[shmmeee]

Condition of some of the Asian and BRIC nation trade deals I believe. Significantly cheaper labour than anywhere in EU.


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It’s India’s main request AFAIK.

 

[Grendel]

Please show me the remainers who think the EU doesn’t need reform. Almost every remainer I’ve seen wants Remain and reform. The equivalent would be asking us to ditch the pound and join Shengen. Literally no one is suggesting that.

But a treaty of some god forsaken place - let’s say Benidorm - Treaty of Benidorm could enforce this with no say

Did you wander round the classroom with a great big Dunce hat on?

Utterly clueless

 

[skybluetony176]

No Tony the comment was from a post by Sky Blue Dreamer and it was specifically about the IRA

How many in the referendum in Ireland voted to leave Tony?

The post you refer to he actually talks about a return of the troubles following a brexit caused breakdown of the GFA. The troubles as he described them in the post is about more than the IRA. He also doesn’t specifically mention the IRA. That’s before you even get into the fact that it was part of a wider conversation.

The referendum was a British referendum. Ireland didn’t take part in it.

So you’re wrong on all accounts.

 

[Grendel]

The post you refer to he actually talks about a return of the troubles following a brexit caused breakdown of the GFA. The troubles as he described them in the post is about more than the IRA. He also doesn’t specifically mention the IRA. That’s before you even get into the fact that it was part of a wider conversation.

The referendum was a British referendum. Ireland didn’t take part in it.

So you’re wrong on all accounts.

Oh Tony Northern Ireland did. How many voted to leave?

 

[skybluetony176]

Oh Tony Northern Ireland did. How many voted to leave?

Not as many as voted remain. Did those that voted leave have a preference choice on ripping up the GFA agreement with a hard brexit or maintaining the GFA by leaving with a deal? Because it sounds like you’re about to try and make out that people from Northern Ireland who voted leave voted to ditch the GFA agreement at the same time. Which clearly isn’t the case.

Oh and Northern Ireland is Great Britain, not Ireland. Ignoramous.

 

[Grendel]

Not as many as voted remain. Did those that voted leave have a preference choice on ripping up the GFA agreement with a hard brexit or maintaining the GFA by leaving with a deal? Because it sounds like you’re about to try and make out that people from Northern Ireland who voted leave voted to ditch the GFA agreement at the same time. Which clearly isn’t the case.

Oh and Northern Ireland is Great Britain, not Ireland. Ignoramous.

Tony how many?

 

[skybluetony176]

Tony how many?

If you have a point make one.

 

[Grendel]

If you have a point make one.

It’s a question - don’t you know? Shall I hold your hand?

 

[skybluetony176]

It’s a question - don’t you know? Shall I hold your hand?

I’m not playing your games. If you have a point make it, you won’t need my help to do it if you do.

 

[Ian1779]

Please show me the remainers who think the EU doesn’t need reform. Almost every remainer I’ve seen wants Remain and reform. The equivalent would be asking us to ditch the pound and join Shengen. Literally no one is suggesting that.

You only have to spend 2 minutes looking through social media at the FBPE crew especially to see people like this. Even some of the most ardent remain politicians have failed to talk about how we would pursue reform should we stay - the conversation ends at Revoke Article 50.

If these politicians want to demonstrate that remaining part of the EU is the right course of action, then they should at least demonstrate that they have reflected over the last 3 years as to why Leave won in the first place.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

The irony here is that the mentality of your average brexiteer seems to be the same of Oswald Mosley and his black shirts. Ultimately that means you’ll be the ones that are promoting the atmosphere that allowed a Nazi Germany to happen. If you want to avoid the scenario you describe your best bet is to change your opinion to one nearer to the remain camp.

Really ? And where do you glean that little gem from ?

 

[shmmeee]

You only have to spend 2 minutes looking through social media at the FBPE crew especially to see people like this. Even some of the most ardent remain politicians have failed to talk about how we would pursue reform should we stay - the conversation ends at Revoke Article 50.

If these politicians want to demonstrate that remaining part of the EU is the right course of action, then they should at least demonstrate that they have reflected over the last 3 years as to why Leave won in the first place.

Please post an example of someone saying unironically thag we should join the Euro and shengen. And not a random with 46 followers.

You’ll find no one more annoyed than me at Remains lacklustre campaign and lack of self reflection. But the fact remains revoke A50 isn’t an extreme position. It’s a request for the status quo.

 

[skybluetony176]

Really ? And where do you glean that little gem from ?

The language of brexit backing politicians using words like traitors and conspirators, the language of brexit voters on forums such as BBC question time, the language of brexit backers with other things to say and their followers, Tommy Robinson for example, a recent poll of Tory party members exposing the mentality of the brexit cult that has embedded itself in the Tory party as the majority. I could go on and on. There’s a large portion of brexit voters are hell bent on inward thinking brexit idealism at any cost. Much like the Nazi’s were with Nazi idealism and people like Oswald Mosley brought into this mindset wholesale and unquestionably. Much like brexit.

 

[SIR ERNIE]

The language of brexit backing politicians using words like traitors and conspirators, the language of brexit voters on forums such as BBC question time, the language of brexit backers with other things to say and their followers, Tommy Robinson for example, a recent poll of Tory party members exposing the mentality of the brexit cult that has embedded itself in the Tory party as the majority. I could go on and on. There’s a large portion of brexit voters are hell bent on inward thinking brexit idealism at any cost. Much like the Nazi’s were with Nazi idealism and people like Oswald Mosley brought into this mindset wholesale and unquestionably. Much like brexit.

you really do need to get out more.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

The language of brexit backing politicians using words like traitors and conspirators, the language of brexit voters on forums such as BBC question time, the language of brexit backers with other things to say and their followers, Tommy Robinson for example, a recent poll of Tory party members exposing the mentality of the brexit cult that has embedded itself in the Tory party as the majority. I could go on and on. There’s a large portion of brexit voters are hell bent on inward thinking brexit idealism at any cost. Much like the Nazi’s were with Nazi idealism and people like Oswald Mosley brought into this mindset wholesale and unquestionably. Much like brexit.

Ironically of course you're no different.

 

[skybluetony176]

Ironically of course you're no different.

Really? Where have I been on the Tommy Robinson thread defending his actions and words? Nowhere. All the ones who are over that thread defending him you’ll also find on here defending brexit at every turn and car crash.

 

[Grendel]

you really do need to get out more.

He does - he goes to Spain every year and carries a rucksack stuffed with Euros

 

[Grendel]

Really? Where have I been on the Tommy Robinson thread defending his actions and words? Nowhere. All the ones who are over that thread defending him you’ll also find on here defending brexit at every turn and car crash.

Don’t think I’ve defended him - unlike a certain person you were proud to march alongside

 

[skybluetony176]

Don’t think I’ve defended him - unlike a certain person you were proud to march alongside

A) I never said you did, just pointed out that those who do are also brexit extremists. B) Never been on any of the marches as I’ve told you numerous times. The fact that you yet again feel the need to pedal that lie knowing it’s a lie tells us that you have to contribute. But lies.

 

[skybluetony176]

He does - he goes to Spain every year and carries a rucksack stuffed with Euros

Twice a year. At least.

 

[SIR ERNIE]

He does - he goes to Spain every year and carries a rucksack stuffed with Euros

...then brags he drank 5 pints in 2 weeks and (clever me) brought 350 euros back. Who does that?

 

[skybluetony176]

...then brags he drank 5 pints in 2 weeks and (clever me) brought 350 euros back. Who does that?

I was just correcting someone who insinuated I spent my time there drinking cheap wine and they brought up the Euros not me.

Your character assassination seems to be that I’m neither a alcoholic or binge drinker and I’m astute enough to watch the exchange rates and change my money when there’s a good rate safe in the knowledge that I’m going to need it at some point in the near future.

 

[Grendel]

Twice a year. At least.

Blimey international jet setter