The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (52 Viewers)

[CCFCSteve]

I think actually it's the EU saying that. They've accepted it long ago and just want to know what we're actually doing so they can prepare either way. There's no reason for them to make concessions from a deal that works for them just so Boris can slap it on a lunchbox and call an election. All he's succeeding in is hurting the pound and giving more ammunition to the SNP

The pounds hardly changed recently (pretty much what it was a week ago). I agree that the EU won’t agree to significant changes but I’d happily have a tenner on them moving on the backstop mechanism if Boris gets through the next few days. That will be sufficient, in conjunction with the only alternative being No deal, to get the WA through Parliament.

 

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[Grendel]

Suppose Corbyn prorogued Parliament under similar circumstances. Would you react in the same way? Just as you presumably have no problem with him trying to 'get his grubby hands on the keys to No. 10'. If the timeframe involved is trivially small, why go to the trouble of denying it to Parliament?

I would if the opposition refused to follow democratic process yes

 

[Grappa]

Proposal: A tax on idiocy. All the fucking idiots will be behind it because they think they will be exempt.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I would if the opposition refused to follow democratic process yes

Something does not have to be illegal in order to be wrong.

 

[Astute]

Trade deal: yes

Quick trade deal that leaves our economy mostly intact: we’ve got literally the only possible one on offer.

People need to realise that given our own self imposed red lines May did an amazing job. We are good at soft power, that’s why it’s so mental to throw it away. We got concessions.

The Brexit grifters need you to think there’s a better deal so you’ll give them attention (money) or votes. There isn’t. You are being played.

May did an amazing job? Bloody hell. Explain what she did that was even OK.

So what concessions did we get?

 

[Astute]

Do you know any Europeans?

Mostly they’re bemused that we are shooting ourselves in the foot and a little bit sad for us. This idea that they’re fuming about Brexit is utter bollocks.

This thread is so amazing. So many people reading words that are not written then having others agree with the reply.

Fuming about Brexit? Shiw me where I have said so. And I will keep asking you until you show me where I have said it.

So now I suppose everyone who trades with us will be happy with how things have gone. They are delighted that those running the EU still refuse to talk about a trade deal because the money they want from us is more important.

But no. Nobody has any problem in the slightest. Not even the leaders of all the countries in the EU who want to take power off those who run it.

 

[Astute]

Go on then, name a country that depends on the UK and is not happy with the EU's handling of it?

Words well twisted yet again. Well done.

So those affected by the situation are delighted with the EU for refusing to negotiate on a trade deal?

 

[Sick Boy]

So you really think that everyone who lives in the EU and depend on us for a large amount of what they produce are really happy with the way those running the EU are dealing with the situation?

Go on then, name a country that depends on the UK and is not happy with the EU's handling of it?

Words well twisted yet again. Well done.

So those affected by the situation are delighted with the EU for refusing to negotiate on a trade deal?

Can you point out where I twisted your words?

The one twisting and moving the goalposts here is you, not me

 

[shmmeee]

The pounds hardly changed recently (pretty much what it was a week ago). I agree that the EU won’t agree to significant changes but I’d happily have a tenner on them moving on the backstop mechanism if Boris gets through the next few days. That will be sufficient, in conjunction with the only alternative being No deal, to get the WA through Parliament.

Deluded

 

[shmmeee]

Words well twisted yet again. Well done.

So those affected by the situation are delighted with the EU for refusing to negotiate on a trade deal?

The EU have negotiated a trade deal. The Brexiters don’t like it because suddenly they’re anti free trade for some reason.

Try looking outside the bubble of a few UK tabloid. The only people blaming the EU for anything anywhere are a few frothing Brexiters who take their lead from whatever the papers print.

 

[Grendel]

The EU have negotiated a trade deal. The Brexiters don’t like it because suddenly they’re anti free trade for some reason.

Try looking outside the bubble of a few UK tabloid. The only people blaming the EU for anything anywhere are a few frothing Brexiters who take their lead from whatever the papers print.

Actually the majority who didn’t like it are the Labour Party, the undems and all the nationalists

 

[Astute]

Can you point out where I twisted your words?

The one twisting and moving the goalposts here is you, not me

I said everyone affected by it. As in you, me, those who work in things sold here and much more. You know this. But somehow you stretch it to whole countries. Not unusual though is it.

 

[Astute]

The EU have negotiated a trade deal. The Brexiters don’t like it because suddenly they’re anti free trade for some reason.

Try looking outside the bubble of a few UK tabloid. The only people blaming the EU for anything anywhere are a few frothing Brexiters who take their lead from whatever the papers print.

Go on then. What is this trade deal that the EU has negotiated with us. Because it is a well known fact that they have said it won't happen until they get money off us and agree with their terms they have dictated. Just like they refused to even talk about those who live in a country that will be affected by us leaving.

But lets not have the truth get in the way of a statement that you make. Or others agreeing with you when they know your statement isn't true.

And whilst you are at it how about explaining how May did such an amazing job. Yes they were your own words.

 

[Sick Boy]

I said everyone affected by it. As in you, me, those who work in things sold here and much more. You know this. But somehow you stretch it to whole countries. Not unusual though is it.

The only country I can think of it Ireland and the public opinion there definitely isn’t blaming the EU for it.

 

[Astute]

The only country I can think of it Ireland and the public opinion there definitely isn’t blaming the EU for it.

Are you still trying to stretch what I said to countries?

 

[Grendel]

Are you still trying to stretch what I said to countries?

It’s impossible to prove anyway

 

[Grendel]

Good to see Grieve is being told by his local members he has to confirm he will vote for Johnson or they will deselect him

 

[Grendel]

Lol

+++Jo Swinson requests a meeting with the Queen to discuss the constitutional crisis

Just imagine

Queen: “sorry dear all the cleaning jobs are taken - come back after October 31 - some of those poles may have gone by then”

 

[SIR ERNIE]

May did an amazing job? Bloody hell.

Another one of his classics, right up there with the Sturgeon one.

 

[Ian1779]

Lol

+++Jo Swinson requests a meeting with the Queen to discuss the constitutional crisis

Just imagine

Queen: “sorry dear all the cleaning jobs are taken - come back after October 31 - some of those poles may have gone by then”

Her letter probably says ‘can you ask Boris if I can be on his team if he wins’

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Good to see Grieve is being told by his local members he has to confirm he will vote for Johnson or they will deselect him

Deselection threats OK when right wingers do it then

 

[RegTheDonk]

Her letter probably says ‘can you ask Boris if I can be on his team if he wins’

Suspiciously in Chuka's handwriting

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Good to see Grieve is being told by his local members he has to confirm he will vote for Johnson or they will deselect him

And when the rabid left wingers in Labour threaten it regarding Corbyn?

 

[Grendel]

And when the rabid left wingers in Labour threaten it regarding Corbyn?

Corbyn is seen as the enemy by the labour MPs - the Sinn Fein suck up doesn’t represent the millions of voters - represents a rag tag bunch of anarchists who want to destroy the country

 

[Ian1779]

Corbyn is seen as the enemy by the labour MPs - the Sinn Fein suck up doesn’t represent the millions of voters - represents a rag tag bunch of anarchists who want to destroy the country

Seen as the enemy by the Tory-lite you mean - we can’t possibly have a Labour Party leader that isn’t ambivalent on austerity....

 

[Grendel]

Seen as the enemy by the Tory-lite you mean - we can’t possibly have a Labour Party leader that isn’t ambivalent on austerity....

Austerity under Mr Corbyn would take on a very different meaning. When interest rates soar to double digits I think life would get a lot harder for many people

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Austerity under Mr Corbyn would take on a very different meaning. When interest rates soar to double digits I think life would get a lot harder for many people

Wall St recession-1929
Reaganomics
2008 recession following Bush's massive tax giveaway to the rich and deregulation of financial services

Now Trump is at the 2008 strategy again-what will happen? Whenever right wing economics is unleashed it crashes economies and further concentrates wealth in the hands of fewer people. Don't think giving teachers a pay rise will lead to economic ruin though

 

[SBAndy]

Wall St recession-1929
Reaganomics
2008 recession following Bush's massive tax giveaway to the rich and deregulation of financial services

Now Trump is at the 2008 strategy again-what will happen? Whenever right wing economics is unleashed it crashes economies and further concentrates wealth in the hands of fewer people. Don't think giving teachers a pay rise will lead to economic ruin though

Good thing Johnson has just announced a £14bn boost to education funding then. Wait a minute, where’s that coming from?

 

[Ian1779]

Good thing Johnson has just announced a £14bn boost to education funding then. Wait a minute, where’s that coming from?

Out of his arse... just like everything he says.

 

[Ian1779]

Austerity under Mr Corbyn would take on a very different meaning. When interest rates soar to double digits I think life would get a lot harder for many people

Which nicely translates to you haven’t got a fucking clue so you made up some sensationalist shit.

Why are you wasting your time on here when you could be writing for the Telegraph or Daily Express?

 

[Ian1779]

Wall St recession-1929
Reaganomics
2008 recession following Bush's massive tax giveaway to the rich and deregulation of financial services

Now Trump is at the 2008 strategy again-what will happen? Whenever right wing economics is unleashed it crashes economies and further concentrates wealth in the hands of fewer people. Don't think giving teachers a pay rise will lead to economic ruin though

We won’t even get one. The rises have to come from existing budgets which are a) already set b) fucked to begin with.

 

[Grendel]

Wall St recession-1929
Reaganomics
2008 recession following Bush's massive tax giveaway to the rich and deregulation of financial services

Now Trump is at the 2008 strategy again-what will happen? Whenever right wing economics is unleashed it crashes economies and further concentrates wealth in the hands of fewer people. Don't think giving teachers a pay rise will lead to economic ruin though

Can you perhaps name for me one Labour government that has reduced unemployment during its reign?

 

[Sick Boy]

Are you still trying to stretch what I said to countries?

So you’re basing it on individual people.

Wow.

If you genuinely believe that outside of Brexiteers and the UK there are people placing blame on the EU for all of this, then you really are off your head.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

We won’t even get one. The rises have to come from existing budgets which are a) already set b) fucked to begin with.

Yup I meant a genuine rise

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Can you perhaps name for me one Labour government that has reduced unemployment during its reign?

For most of Labour's time in office under Blair unemployment remained low (under 6%) and then soared at the very end just as the great recession kicked in. Remind me, who was in government when unemployment went over 10%, not just once but on 2 separate occasions? What actually caused that recession in 2008? Nothing to do with George W Bush of course.

Then again why just discuss unemployment statistics-look at them under this government and consider how many are part time/zero hour/underemployed. Right wing economics doesn't work-time and again the facts bear that out