skybluetony176
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Ha ha ha ha, classic. Boris, man of the people. Heard it all now. Brighton is right. He could shit in your mouth and you’ll say it is ice cream.
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Ha ha ha ha, classic. Boris, man of the people. Heard it all now. Brighton is right. He could shit in your mouth and you’ll say it is ice cream.
skybluetony176
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Beep beep beep. Attention, this opinion is reversing.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Trying to be sneaky G, but that's not quite what you said first time is it?
Brighton Sky Blue
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Yup, I can read polls and for a long time they have been saying it would be foolish of Corbyn to pursue an election. Now we have a charlatan wearing an expensive suit and talking with a posh accent and the pro-EU vote is split down the middle. Johnson will mop up the dumbass vote under those circumstances while the Lib Dems facilitate Tory government for the umpteenth time.
On the side, we have Priti Patel arguing that we should use Irish food shortages as leverage against them in negotiations.
Sick Boy
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EU could declare no-deal Brexit a major natural disaster
Don’t worry, they should be okay if they need funds.
I’m sure Johnson has a similar plan for areas in the UK.
skybluetony176
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Too busy spending it on a £100M advertising campaign telling businesses to be ready for something that the government can’t clarify.
skybluetony176
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Just watching the news and the noises coming from Brussels is interesting. Seems they’re taking Boris’ threats to leave with a no deal as legitimate but whereas Boris is claiming negotiations are going on Brussels is saying that they aren’t for the simple fact that Boris’ negotiators are attending meetings but they’re still unable to come up with any alternative to the backstop.
skybluetony176
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She’s a piece of shit that woman.
Brighton Sky Blue
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A death penalty advocate, opponent of equal marriage rights, and supporter of making famine threats as a negotiating tactic.
In most other countries that would be 'far right', but instead supporting nationalised rail is 'hard left'
Astute
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Don't you see that everyone can see you are chatting shite?
Or would you like to show for once where I have said a whole country. You keep making out that only the UK will be affected. Not at all. And the bigger the hit on us the bigger the hit on others in the rest of the EU. But you don't want the EU to back down. So you make out that the 27 countries of the EU won't notice the difference.
Stop being childish and have a proper debate.
Astute
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Bloody hilarious. You spend ages saying that it won't be a problem. Then you come out with a link backing up everything I have been saying.
So a no deal Brexit would be treated like a natural disaster for regions in the EU? It is a good news headline. Hopefully they can work out a way of getting the money to the man on the street and not just give to the rich landowners as usual.
And to think that this is mainly about the Irish backstop. Because we are not allowed to talk trade deals until it is resolved.
Sick Boy
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Stop being childish? You’re the one who gets petulant and starts talking about incidents at games for people to have a go at you.
It’s also strange that several people regularly call you out for not being able to understand properly what’s being said. Especially as I’ve said before that it’s in the best interests of both sides for a deal to be made.
Astute
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Did you see any comeback from my comment?
So I can't understand what is going on? Who was it that has constantly had a go at me for saying about the consequences to people and districts in the remaining EU countries? And what was the link this same person supplied for us to read? Oh yes it was you totally contradicting everything you have been saying for ages.
Or shall we try Shmmeee saying that May did an amazing job? You and others agreed with him. Yet not one of you has even tried to say in any way what she did was amazing. Nobody has even tried to say what she did was even good.
Me childish? Me not understanding what is happening? You need to look at yourself and those who you frequently agree with.
Sick Boy
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Yeah, right.
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SIR ERNIE
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Could go either way, I guess on balance it’s more likely Corbyn’s side will edge it.
My hope is that he fails and we exit on 31/10 on No Deal.
Leave then Negotiate should always have been the strategy.
Yeah, it was always obvious negotiations were a sham. They had no suggestions for alternative arrangements, the idea that any exist is a fantasy and anyone who is not either a fool or wilfully ignorant understands the backstop cannot be “dropped”.
I’m surprised by the no deal bit though. I thought the people wanting no deal are pretty rare but plenty talk it up tactically as it has some public support and sounds like a strongman position to idiots. Sure, the likes of JRM and Farage want it because they’re set up to make a fortune from the chaos or get a back hand from an America trade deal. I still think there something in the theory that BJ/Cummings want parliament to legislate against no deal so they don’t have to take the leap and can use it as PR in a “people vs parliament” election campaign though.
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Grendel
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I would guess the remain team will win. If 21 tories really do defect then I can’t see where the 20 will balance it
Some labour MPs will side with the government as well as probably a couple independents and one independent probably will be a no show.
It’s then to see if Johnson says it’s advisory so go away I’m ignoring you or he on Wednesday will call an election. Corbyn won’t what it but what actually can he do? If he says no then Johnson can call a no confidence motion in himself. At that point can labour really vote against that?
Cummings/Johnson will have to commit to no deal in order to get the support of Farage which they need so they either need to change stance or let parliament block no deal so then they can say they were left with no choice. Get to blame someone else so that will suit the narrative.
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Grendel
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Although it’s tight the latest opinion polls suggest even with a Brexit party the government will win a 25 seat majority in an October election
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If Farage stands aside for Cons, then Lib Dems / Greens need to work with Labour to make it a fair fight, come an election.
Grendel
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They won’t be doing that
Surely they’d lose a lot of moderate votes. Max support for no deal is about 30%, sure plenty will stick with them and take a risk on no deal but they’ll also lose seats. I guess mainly to Libs though.
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For the purposes of leaving the EU, you'd have to add Brexit Party seats onto any Cons ones too.
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Grendel
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The latest polls show without the Brexit party Johnson would have 45% of the vote with the opposition split and a 80 seat majority
Half the country want to leave the Eu and the Tories are the only party which will offer it. The whole of the opposition campaign I suspect will focus on the negative mess of a hard Brexit while Johnson will go on a spend spend spend commitment
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Problem with an election is some will vote along party lines regardless of their view on this issue.
A general election probably won't reflect the will of the people on this single issue, regardless of the makeup of a new parliament.
Grendel
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It will probably reflect it and if you want to leave the Eu unless you waste a vote on Farage you will vote with Johnson
Labour message is still very confusing and it’s not conceivable he will get a majority in Parliament - Swinson I don’t think would ever work with him so it would be a grim alliance with the Scottish and Welsh Nationalists and the Scots will demand a referendum as the price to pay. The Welsh could as well. Ironic it would be labour which divides the union
Are you looking at polls which just show voter intention and extrapolating that into a seat majority? As anything I’ve seen where it’s broken down by Seat makes it look a lot tighter.
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Of course but even plenty of leave voters consider no deal toxic.
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They do, but as with some of the Con rebels in parliament, they'd consider Corbyn more toxic.
Likewise, some trad Labour voters may well want to leave, but they'd struggle to vote for an Eton toff with hard right policies.
Indeed, it’s going to be an incredibly complex election and I think many seats will be impossible to predict.
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Which is really where an election just serves to move past an impasse, rather than it moving the 'right' way.
(Of course, it could end up mired even worse, with a bunch of parties even more split in seats, and even more unable to agree on anything!)