The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (86 Viewers)

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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%

  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%

  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%
  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed .
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Brighton Sky Blue

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SkyblueBazza said:
Well what I have referred to has happened a fair number of times. In fact I know that two drugs can be compared with the same inclusion criteria & be found to show different results. No mention of conspiracy there btw...except from yourself. Science is not always exacting!

Think about experts like...the meteorologists! They are weather experts. They get it right all the time in ypur little world I'm sure. Meanwhile in the real world...

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There isn't such a thing as an 'establishment scientist'. Just blithely ignoring everyone who has spent years studying their field because it doesn't fit your gut feeling that what, climate change isn't a thing?

We burn fossil fuels

It sends CO2 into the air

The CO2 absorbs heat

The Earth gets hotter

Astute has better comprehension skills and that's saying something
 
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SkyblueBazza

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
There isn't such a thing as an 'establishment scientist'. Just blithely ignoring everyone who has spent years studying their field because it doesn't fit your gut feeling that what, climate change isn't a thing?

We burn fossil fuels

It sends CO2 into the air

The CO2 absorbs heat

The Earth gets hotter

Astute has better comprehension skills and that's saying something
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Isn't there? So who do the Public Health bodies turn to? MHRA licence medications...who do they turn to?

As far as global warming is concerned - I know I have said before on some thread or another that as soon as man discovered how to make fire the global temperature went up a miniscule amount. So although perhaps I don't fall hook, line & sinker for the all arguments around it I don't need you to tell me anything at all let alone climate change.

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Brighton Sky Blue

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SkyblueBazza said:
Isn't there? So who do the Public Health bodies turn to? MHRA licence medications...who do they turn to?

As far as global warming is concerned - I know I have said before on some thread or another that as soon as man discovered how to make fire the global temperature went up a miniscule amount. So although perhaps I don't fall hook, line & sinker for the all arguments around it I don't need you to tell me anything at all let alone climate change.

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Again all he sees are conspiracies and scientists cooking up plots in smoke filled labs...
 
skybluetony176

skybluetony176

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SkyblueBazza said:
Isn't there? So who do the Public Health bodies turn to? MHRA licence medications...who do they turn to?

As far as global warming is concerned - I know I have said before on some thread or another that as soon as man discovered how to make fire the global temperature went up a miniscule amount. So although perhaps I don't fall hook, line & sinker for the all arguments around it I don't need you to tell me anything at all let alone climate change.

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Ha ha ha. Has anyone told you yet that the earth isn’t flat?
 
Astute

Astute

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
Just answer the question dude
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Isn't me who doesn't understand. Or I suppose me saying a waste of money makes it a goid idea.

And what about the reply to this link? You have spent enough time telling everyone your problems have arisen because of the generations before you. You love to blame everyone else for your problems

House-buyer time machine
 
Astute

Astute

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
There isn't such a thing as an 'establishment scientist'. Just blithely ignoring everyone who has spent years studying their field because it doesn't fit your gut feeling that what, climate change isn't a thing?

We burn fossil fuels

It sends CO2 into the air

The CO2 absorbs heat

The Earth gets hotter

Astute has better comprehension skills and that's saying something
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Says the person who constantly thinks that saying something is a waste of miney could be a giod idea......or at least tries to twist it that way.
 
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SkyblueBazza

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
Again all he sees are conspiracies and scientists cooking up plots in smoke filled labs...
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So the establishment have their scientists? You concede that?

I am wondering why you & Tony have an obsession with "conspiracy"?

Let's face it - most publicly available knowlwdge of conspiracy is rife in the Labour party right on your doorstep atm. Maybe you should be down there lecturing & taking issue with their comments instead of on SBT? After all- they have some pipedream about being in charge of the country soon & can't seem to agree on very much of significance at all.

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Brighton Sky Blue

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Astute said:
Isn't me who doesn't understand. Or I suppose me saying a waste of money makes it a goid idea.

And what about the reply to this link? You have spent enough time telling everyone your problems have arisen because of the generations before you. You love to blame everyone else for your problems

House-buyer time machine
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Have you actually read it in full? It simply reinforces my argument-so thanks for posting. The key points being that house prices have risen much faster than wages, job security is lower and credit is harder to obtain. Quite interesting is that the couple could have bought a 3 bedroom house in central Brighton in 1968. When I rented around there the rent alone was over half my wages.

I don’t have many problems now, truth be told. But the economic indicators don’t lie and it isn’t entitlement to point these out and conclude that it was easier as a young person in the past than it is now. You might point to technological perks, but previously each generation did get it better than the one before both economically and technologically.
 
Astute

Astute

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
Have you actually read it in full? It simply reinforces my argument-so thanks for posting. The key points being that house prices have risen much faster than wages, job security is lower and credit is harder to obtain. Quite interesting is that the couple could have bought a 3 bedroom house in central Brighton in 1968. When I rented around there the rent alone was over half my wages.

I don’t have many problems now, truth be told. But the economic indicators don’t lie and it isn’t entitlement to point these out and conclude that it was easier as a young person in the past than it is now. You might point to technological perks, but previously each generation did get it better than the one before both economically and technologically.
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Totally wrong as usual. But you do love putting your spin on anything. Just like when you tried to blame my generation for final salary pensions ending but then refused to consider that the Labour party was to blame.

So in your own words what was the affordability through the years?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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Astute said:
Totally wrong as usual. But you do love putting your spin on anything. Just like when you tried to blame my generation for final salary pensions ending but then refused to consider that the Labour party was to blame.

So in your own words what was the affordability through the years?
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Do please show me where I said that. Though let's suppose Labour is to blame, which generation did Brown and Blair come from? Yours. Though Blair has a lot more to answer for on Iraq than his other shortcomings.

Read the article you posted again. Look at what the couple concluded after being shown the state of play in each decade, and the accompanying analysis from the financial experts cited. They agreed that buying a house in your 20s now is harder than in the past. Is it or is it not correct that:

a) House prices have risen at a much faster rate than wages in the last 50 years.
b) Credit is harder to obtain following the 2008 recession.
c) Employment for younger people has shifted from permanent full time work to temporary, part time or zero hours work.
d) University is much harder to afford than it was in the past, but there is still a gulf between graduate and non-graduate earnings which encourages large numbers of applications.
e) More young people are renting or living with parents than ever used to be the case.

The reasons for these (and other indicators I could use) lie at the feet of both parties. I don't know why you think I'll ignore Labour mistakes just because I usually vote for them.
 
Astute

Astute

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
Do please show me where I said that. Though let's suppose Labour is to blame, which generation did Brown and Blair come from? Yours.
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So it is my generations fault and not Brown and Tory Bliar?

Everyone will remember your rants on the subject. You just ignored all evidence like now. As in yes house prices are up but interest rates are at record low rates and have been for many years. So houses are as affordable as they have been at most times you mention.

The problem you have is people that come on here can read. So they have read the link. You blame my generation for everything.

Just the same as the students up to your age blame us for global warming. The same people who have big cars or 4x4's for school runs just in case some leaves fall onto the road. They buy clothes they don't keep for long. They have new phones, tablets and laptops frequently when their old ones still work. They fly all over the place for holidays. Yet they demonstrate about what other people do. But like yourself they love to be blind to the truth.
 
Astute

Astute

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Astute said:
Pensions were a big part of the rant. Older generations had the best of them. Your generation had the worse of them. They were your words. You then dropped the point when I said about the tax grab Gordon Brown did on pensions costing the system of final salary pensions.

You said about how you can't trust a Tory. I fully agreed with you. They are for the rich only. The poor and needy are just leppers that cost them tax money. But you don't like anything said against Labour. Yes they are a better bet than the Tories. But how about Corbyn? Let's forget about the skeletons in the closet. How about just keeping it on topic of the thread? He has stated he wants to stay in the EU. He has stated he wants out of the EU. He has stated that he doesn't know if he wants in or out of the EU. That isn't leadership. That is going with the flow. Saying what he thinks people want to hear. He wants to privatise utilities and similar. He wants to bring them back under the government ownership now. Can't do that when in the EU as it is against the rules and regulations.

I have never told you how to vote. I never have and never will. That is a personal choice. But no single party will solve our problems. They solve some but make more. Labour are for higher tax higher benefits. The Tories are for lower tax lower benefits. You take your pick.

You also tried to blame my generation for global warming. It is as though nothing happened until my generation came along. Yet you ignore the fact that your generation has become a throwaway generation. Phones you want to change every time there is a new one out. But your old one still works well. Cheap clothes that travel thousands of miles to get to you that don't last. Plastic containers for everything. New cars on loan. An old car that isn't Co2 efficient is much less polluting than building a new car that lasts just over 10 years that has a more efficient engine. Building an electric car is even more polluting when you consider where the battery comes from and then the generating of the electricity to charge it. Everyone wants a car. We all have a part to play on the matter. No generation is perfect.
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Here was my reply to you Brighton on lots of your posts. Shall we dig out all your posts for you to dissapear for a few days in the hope it gets forgitten about?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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Astute said:
Here was my reply to you Brighton on lots of your posts. Shall we dig out all your posts for you to dissapear for a few days in the hope it gets forgitten about?
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I have a busy job and a life off the internet like most of us on here. The problem with you is you cross wires with so many other posters it isn’t just me.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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Astute said:
So it is my generations fault and not Brown and Tory Bliar?

Everyone will remember your rants on the subject. You just ignored all evidence like now. As in yes house prices are up but interest rates are at record low rates and have been for many years. So houses are as affordable as they have been at most times you mention.

The problem you have is people that come on here can read. So they have read the link. You blame my generation for everything.

Just the same as the students up to your age blame us for global warming. The same people who have big cars or 4x4's for school runs just in case some leaves fall onto the road. They buy clothes they don't keep for long. They have new phones, tablets and laptops frequently when their old ones still work. They fly all over the place for holidays. Yet they demonstrate about what other people do. But like yourself they love to be blind to the truth.
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I buy new clothes maybe once a year, a phone every 2 and I recycle the old one. I only get new laptops if the current one is busted beyond repair and never go further than Europe for a holiday-oh and I don’t drive. I also don’t know how many times I’ve criticised Labour policy or where I’ve refused to consider alternatives to Corbyn.

You’ve posted an article that contradicts the point you were after.
 
Grendel

Grendel

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I see private schools are now on the hit list of this non socialist opposition
 
Grendel

Grendel

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
Is Finland socialist?
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So you support the abolition proposal? How fascinating.

I’m not sure Finland has ever made a decision to take control of private infrastructure and then awarded it to the state. I’m aware of Lenin enjoying doing it.

It’s great. The suicide note gets better and better. Can the conference last another week?
 
skybluetony176

skybluetony176

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Grendel said:
So you support the abolition proposal? How fascinating.

I’m not sure Finland has ever made a decision to take control of private infrastructure and then awarded it to the state. I’m aware of Lenin enjoying doing it.

It’s great. The suicide note gets better and better. Can the conference last another week?
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Yes. The working class man will be distraught at the prospect that their hard earned tax money is no longer subsidising the education of the rich elite.
 
Grendel

Grendel

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I doubt there is a single person on here who is an expert on foreign schools but also wherever I look private schools do exist in the oh so marvellous Finland
 
Astute

Astute

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
I have a busy job and a life off the internet like most of us on here. The problem with you is you cross wires with so many other posters it isn’t just me.
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Wrong. Would you like a screen shot so you can see me quoting your post to the post you are trying to say is.nothing to do with you.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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Grendel said:
So you support the abolition proposal? How fascinating.

I’m not sure Finland has ever made a decision to take control of private infrastructure and then awarded it to the state. I’m aware of Lenin enjoying doing it.

It’s great. The suicide note gets better and better. Can the conference last another week?
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I didn’t say I supported it.
 
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