chiefdave
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Good news though that the housing shortage is going to be solved by architects starting to use computers and work in 3D :facepalm:
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shmmeee
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What are you on about you mentalist?
My post is taking the piss out of your phrase “knocking the UK” by pretending the UK is a person and someone is knocking it.
I then make the point that it’s not Remainers (who get told they are doing the knocking) who want large scale change of the UK, implying they are actually OK with the UK and the ones “knocking” it are Leavers.
I thought this fairly obvious joke was obvious, but there you go.
Liquid Gold
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Esther McVey, the housing minister no less, is encouraged that architects are using 3d computers to make 3d houses using computers.
I expect this will get the same coverage as Diane Abbott.
I expect this will get the same coverage as Diane Abbott.
SBAndy
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The silence is deafening.
skybluetony176
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Alan Dugdales Moustache
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17 pages about one of the least charismatic, wishy washy drips in modern politics.
Labour planned £10 for 2020 I think? The Tories are planning £10.50 by 2024 so about a 5% increase year on year. The headline may make both offers sound similar but they're not. The Tories also have form for announcing similar (£9 by 2020 for example) which won't happen.
clint van damme
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Tory ministers making an absolute c**t of it, quick I'll try some distraction with a pathetic jibe about Corbyn. Embarrassing.
SBAndy
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Actually the manifesto merely states that they would increase the NMW to the Living Wage (which is expected to be at least £10 by 2020). It doesn’t say whether they would do this immediately or whether it would be phased in.
shmmeee
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Im not a Corbyn fan, but that description makes me want him. Too many “characters” in British politics right now is how we got where we are.
Ian1779
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As soon as they take power - confirmed today.
SkyblueBazza
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Not losing anything over this. I don't accept it as a good thing anymore now, than I did when Labour announced similar.
In the end it sets up a spiralling of inflation to pay for it, pay rises for those in the middle to redress their pay differential, & will leave the lowest paid back at square 1...being unable to afford to live properly just like they are now.
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Parking the increase to one side, the important thing for me is removing the separate 21-24 year old band. For lower paid jobs there shouldn’t be a discrepancy whether you are 21 or 40....in actual fact there might well be a fair few where you’d happily pay a younger person more (I know you’re not allowed...it’s ageist)
shmmeee
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Agreed. Though why not 18? If you’re paying tax at full rate why not get paid at full rate?
Worth pointing out that in reality the increase is roughly what it’s been the last couple of years anyway, and I’ll believe the Tories have suddenly become the workers party when I see it quite frankly. Same as if Corbyn suddenly came out with a massive defence plan.
Yeah, no issue with 18 either. If they’re good enough to land the job then why not. Apprentices are a different case though as they’ll be being trained, course costs covered etc
shmmeee
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I was an apprentice on £300/mo at 16 and thought I’d hit the jackpot
As long as they’re actual apprenticeships that lead to a decently paid, skilled job, I’m fine with that. TBH I’d have a vocational version of uni with student grants and better esteem for trade skills. But that’s another conversation.
I was an apprentice on £300/mo at 16 and thought I’d hit the jackpot
As long as they’re actual apprenticeships that lead to a decently paid, skilled job, I’m fine with that. TBH I’d have a vocational version of uni with student grants and better esteem for trade skills. But that’s another conversation.
Far better than shovelling 50% of kids into uni, apprenticeships + is a good way forward (for individuals and country)
shmmeee
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Couldn’t agree more. Uni should go back to being for the 25%ish it’s actually suitable for, everyone else should get the offer of business startup support or vocational on the job training (and the latter should include stuff like police and nurses as well as software engineering that really don’t need a degree).
And you should be able to bank it for later on in life. I could talk forever about post 18 education though.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Said it before - we need to get rid of the stigma of 'two tier' education from things like grammar/comprehensive all the way up to uni/vocational training/apprenticeships. Both are extremely valuable tools in obtaining skills and getting people to reach their potential, just a different method to suit the individual
It is branched, not tiered. Only reason it's seen as tiered is because in the past it gave those fortunate enough to go to uni (usually due to where the were schooled rather than ability) an excuse to earn more.
It is branched, not tiered. Only reason it's seen as tiered is because in the past it gave those fortunate enough to go to uni (usually due to where the were schooled rather than ability) an excuse to earn more.
Sbarcher
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It's certainly created a different dynamic. For some relatively "lower" type jobs, because there are so many uni students, employers are looking for a degree just to get on the starting line. If 50% of young people have a degree of sorts, then this is a useful filter to exclude the other 50%. Never used to be the case. With crap "O levels I was able to get an Engineering apprenticeship. Was able to work my way up, competing with BSc's and Honours colleagues to eventually become Head of R&D for a world-wide manufacturer. My education would not now even get me the lowest job in the department.
chiefdave
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You could call them polytechnics :woot:
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westcountry_skyblue
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Abbott to cover for Corbyn on prime ministers questions this week,That should be worth a watch.
:kiss::happy::banghead:layful:
:kiss::happy::banghead:
layful:
Liquid Gold
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Will it be a 3D House of Commons on a 3D computer made by 3D architects?Abbott to cover for Corbyn on prime ministers questions this week,That should be worth a watch.
:kiss::happy::banghead:
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Liquid Gold
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Not a surprise.
clint van damme
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You've not being watching the Tory party conference or are you deliberately ignoring the continuous streams of fuck ups by the Tories?
LGs post refers to Ester McVeys car crash speech though personally I think James Cleverley claiming the Tories invented the NHS beats it .
Got to feel sorry for Priti Patel, announcing the UK will introduce a points based immigration system when we already had one was fairly idiotic but she still couldn't out stupid her colleagues.
fernandopartridge
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I don't disagree but the problem with that is that universities are big commercial organisations and provide a significant numbers of people with jobs, and, given that the Tories in particular are determined to make the UK unattractive for why foreigner the students are going to have to come from somewhere.
chiefdave
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Announcing the tories as the party of law and order and declaring "To the criminals, we are coming after you" while the conference is on lockdown for 20 minutes so armed police can remove Sir Geoffrey Clifton-Brown MP who has started a punch up is up there as well.
Ian1779
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Abbott to cover for Corbyn on prime ministers questions this week,That should be worth a watch.
:kiss::happy::banghead:
She’s up against Raab... Abbott win nailed on.
clint van damme
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The Brexit secretary who didn't realise what an important port for trade Dover is!
Ian1779
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The same guy that resigned over the very deal he negotiated.
shmmeee
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I don’t see why they can’t do things like Cov Uni College and the WMG Academy but with the funding and quality of Degree courses TBH. Just because it’s not a degree or structured like a degree doesn’t mean it doesn’t need delivering by someone. And we’ve basically killed off most of FE at this point so it may as well be HE.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Would be nice to know if Patel’s family would have made it in under such a system
SkyblueBazza
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Sounds fair to me! You can pay full tax fund a war & fight in a war...only right that whatever the job you do you should get paid according to how well you do it regardless of age?
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Brighton Sky Blue
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And yet, that’s not actually what happens in practice is it?