clint van damme
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character building!!
Greta Thunberg / Climate Change Summit (13 Viewers)
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character building!!
fellatio_Martinez
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That guy is clearly hamming it up for the camera. I've seen more convincing acting on Hollyoaks.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Look in the background of your original post! Sure there's quite a few that are pretentious twats out for attention or to have a holier than thou attitiude and IMO there's plenty of stuff they could do that would have way more effect than sitting and shouting.
But isn't it just as, if not more crazy, that we're poisoning the air and water so we can have a slightly bigger number on our bank statements?
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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This is what I respect - someone actually trying to change the way things are done and solve the problems rather than just whinge and moan but not come up with any practical solutions.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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They were damned if they did damned if they didn't. Ignored if they did peaceful protests, ignored for being too extreme when they took more direct action. About the only worthy thing to come from WWI was the start of women's voting rights.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Personally I'd said the biggest thing by a country mile anyone could do is have fewer kids. Not only will you use up way less resources because kids need so much stuff and taking places etc. Plus it has a domino effect on later generations as fewer grandkids ertc will take up less space and require less resources.
Don't car if you have a house made entirely of solar panels and wind turbines, have an electric car and are totally vegan. If you've got 5 kids you're doing more harm to the environment long term than the guy in the Hummer taking his one kid to McDonalds.
Skybluemichael
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who is gonna look after the old people and pay taxes, if you feel that’s the best thing just kill yourself save on CO2 it’s for the grater good
shmmeee
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They have practical solutions. They want the government to tell the truth about what we face (climate emergency declaration was first part of that), they want a plan for carbon neutral by 2025 (arguable but still a plan), and they want a citizens assembly to oversee the transition.
They have enlisted social science researchers to find out how previous movements have been successful and are following their recommendations (non violent protest aimed at govt in the capital).
They are everything you claim to want.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Careful saying shit like that - had it been someone else you could get in a lot of shit.
But the fact is if you look at every single factor that is seen to be damaging the earth and us as a species and it can be traced back to population growth in humans. EVERY. SINGLE. ONE. Everything we do is based around the need for growth, but the planet isn't growing with us. We've become the cancer than has started to spread so much it's going to kill its host and ultimately kill itself in the process.
How about the families of the elderly look after their relatives? If they can find time to look after a load of kids, one kid and some parents instead should be more than doable. Btw old people pay tax. They get a higher personal allowance and don't pay NI, but they pay tax.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Not really. They want a carbon neutral plan by 2025. What are the options that bring about that? What are the solutions? It's a vague wishlist they expect someone to fill in the details of.
fellatio_Martinez
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Lots more of those massive ugly fucking windmills I expect will be part of the plan.
clint van damme
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I find them strangely hypnotic
clint van damme
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That system of doing things is fucked anyway these days. Hence the impending social care crisis.
skybluetony176
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Yeah but the were all communist lesbians. Probably.
skybluetony176
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Same here and it’s certainly better than a nuclear power station on your doorstep.
tommydazzle
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Don't be fooled by politicians promising carbon zero futures for the U.K. This is a nonsense unless imports are factored in. Just because we might not make so much steel and import it from China doesn't mean we are not responsible for the emissions on that steel's manufacture. It's a global problem and we can't deflect our consumption to other countries.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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I don't find turbines particularly nice to look at but preferable to cooling towers etc. I think tidal is a massive opportunity for a country like us.
I more think it's a bit of a waste of land having them (and they can be problematic for birds apparently). Same with solar farms. When I look out across the mass of roofs of houses in town I see a massive opportunity to have swaths of solar panels. Also wind generation but with the (IMO) more tasteful conical designs. Micro-generation isn't as efficient but it's got potential to generate a lot of energy and reduce dependence on other countries and individual reliance on infrastructure like the grid.
skybluetony176
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Agree with a lot of that, especially regarding solar. Thing with solar is it’s more cost efficient to use the power than sell it to the grid which begs the question why aren’t warehouse and factory roofs covered in them?
Mentioned before about Denmark realising that they’re too dependent on outside forces during the suez crisis and they started investing heavily in a self provided electricity grid during the 70’s and that inevitably meant renewable energy. They’re decades ahead of the majority of the western world on renewable energy and it wasn’t even an environmental decision in the first instance it was economical.
tommydazzle
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There are evolving ways of storing this energy now. Some very large scale and more efficient than batteries so promising for grid input on demand.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Don't know why warehouses and factories aren't covered in them - many have back-up generators etc. I thought that houses sold excess energy to the grid they didn't use? Guess ferret could answer that.
I hope we're sending people to places like Denmark on fact-finding missions and using them as a benchmark. But we still seem to be listening far more to the likes of the US, China and the Saudi's. Wonder why?
skybluetony176
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I was reading something about compressed air energy storage last year in a trade magazine last year. Don’t remember too much about it but basically IIRC it was build a big cavern under a generation source and pump it full of electrically charged air when the grid has nothing to do in the troughs and then simply release it in the peaks. Basically a huge smoothing capacitor for the grid so you can then turn down production and trim emissions. In another article I remember reading about a renewed interest in one of the eldest battery technologies, the salt water battery. Doesn’t have massive energy density but cheap per Ah and very green unlike high carbon footprint batteries such as lithium.
skybluetony176
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You can sell the power to the grid but all the lead in tariffs that the government used to subsidise to bring down the payback period has all but disappeared so now unless you’re using what you generate you’ll probably never get your money back before the design life of the equipment is reached. There’s lots of companies offering lithium home storage units but they’re expensive so the ideal situation is to use it but if you’re at work all day that’s not always possible.
tommydazzle
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Actually you get paid whether you use it or not so it's payment for all electricity generated not excess sold to the grid but as pointed out the feed in tariffs are all but disappeared so only the benefit of free electricity on sunny days is available for the home generator. Of course, you can use your hot water tank as a heat dump to maximise this.
fernandopartridge
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Terrible grammar check, spacing all over the place check, tedious stereotypes check, ignoring the actual issues at hand check.
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Naive question but, if it's all upscaled drastically, do we end up with stagnant oceans and still, desolate, arid plains?
clint van damme
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when you've hacked a dead school girls phone messages giving her family false hope that she's alive you've really shouldn't be taking the moral high ground with almost anyone.
SBAndy
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Not to veer too far off topic, but how he still has any semblance of career is beyond me. Vulgar individual.
The kids thing was bought up recently on a tv show as being the biggest thing you can do...
I’m literally torn on ER. I know that there needs to be urgent action on climate change (impossible to say how urgent) and am struggling to argue against methods to bring it to the country/parliaments attention....but I think two weeks blocking up London will garner as much negative reaction as positive
I’d like to see some positive ideas and solutions to go along side maybe one or two day similar protests. Encourage
...people to stop buying ‘made in China’ (and other high polluting nations) products if they are considered to be a major polluter
....the public to plant trees (more in inner city areas in particular)
...support other more shorter term energy solutions (even ones they may ordinarily argue against ie Nuclear)
...organisation of ‘walking to school’ groups during the summer months rather than parents driving
....organisation of country/seaside clean ups
....ultimately be clear with what they want and what they expect of the public and government
Just shouting ‘the worlds going to end’ will get attention and drive some behaviour changes but deliver a message of a realistic ‘how’ !
ps if I was the government I’d direct a significant proportion of international/foreign aid to eco/sustainability projects abroad and/or incentivise those trying to do something
I’d like to see some positive ideas and solutions to go along side maybe one or two day similar protests. Encourage
...people to stop buying ‘made in China’ (and other high polluting nations) products if they are considered to be a major polluter
....the public to plant trees (more in inner city areas in particular)
...support other more shorter term energy solutions (even ones they may ordinarily argue against ie Nuclear)
...organisation of ‘walking to school’ groups during the summer months rather than parents driving
....organisation of country/seaside clean ups
....ultimately be clear with what they want and what they expect of the public and government
Just shouting ‘the worlds going to end’ will get attention and drive some behaviour changes but deliver a message of a realistic ‘how’ !
ps if I was the government I’d direct a significant proportion of international/foreign aid to eco/sustainability projects abroad and/or incentivise those trying to do something
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skybluetony176
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My understanding is that clean energy on its own isn’t the answer. While we’re still eating meat and dairy causing forests to be destroyed to grow animal feeds and form pasture land we’re doomed. Aside from the fact the fact that the industry itself is a very high source of Co2 it’s also the biggest cause of eliminating the very thing that takes carbon out the air so it’s a double whammy. The planet simply isn’t big enough to support meat and dairy eaters, until the eat meat and dairy mentality is gone we’re rowing up shit creak without a paddle.
skybluetony176
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The “thinking” man’s Katy Hopkins.
clint van damme
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Heard an interview with Mark Blyth where he spoke about a report which said European agriculture will face "catastrophic disruption" in the next 10-15 years due to climate change.
He said the EU should be spending heavily on preventative measures and slated them for not doing so.
Don't know if he's right or not but he's been right about a lot of other big issues.
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westcountry_skyblue
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Couldn’t give two fucks about climate change,It’s all left wing bollocks,Do as I say not as I do.
While Emma Thompson such a luvvie goes home to New York after the last protest in her £18,000 plane seat laughing at the idiots on the ground!!!