The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (57 Viewers)

[skybluetony176]

So perhaps you’d like to explain how the withdrawal of the order paper from the government and today’s reasons by the speaker for not allowing the reading of the act are reconcilable under his justification today?

Because the bill passed on Saturday sets the agenda. He’s just made sure it’s happening as per his remit. The real issue doesn’t seem to be one of impartiality. The issue seems to be that he’s not showing partiality to the government, which isn’t in his remit.

 

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[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Bumbling buffoon Bercow blocks Brexit. Bollocks.
That took me most of the afternoon to come up with that bit of alliteration.

 

[chiefdave]

According to Kiar Starmer on Andrew Marr yesterday the opposition believes that the deal has a trap door for a no deal brexit and as Boris and co’s reputations go before them no one trusts them to vote for the deal and then the legislation required to complete it. Thus forcing a no deal brexit, by “accident” of course.

Don't know what he's worried about. Stephen Barclay has said in parliament today we should just trust the government to get everything done in time.

Not like its taken us 40 months to get to this point. Don't know why anyone would be concerned about not getting everything else done in the next 14 months.

 

[Grendel]

Don't know what he's worried about. Stephen Barclay has said in parliament today we should just trust the government to get everything done in time.

Not like its taken us 40 months to get to this point. Don't know why anyone would be concerned about not getting everything else done in the next 14 months.

then as mr Johnson allowed the opposition could have extended this timetable?

 

[shmmeee]

Bumbling buffoon Bercow blocks Brexit. Bollocks.
That took me most of the afternoon to come up with that bit of alliteration.

Bovine Boris’ Brexit blocked by bumbling Bercow belies Brexiteer brittleness

 

[skybluetony176]

Don't know what he's worried about. Stephen Barclay has said in parliament today we should just trust the government to get everything done in time.

Not like its taken us 40 months to get to this point. Don't know why anyone would be concerned about not getting everything else done in the next 14 months.

It took him what? 2 weeks of serious negotiations to agree this deal. Why didn’t he prioritise this when he came into power? We could have potentially been 2 months further down the road than we are today if the PM hadn’t treated it like a game.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Bovine Boris’ Brexit blocked by bumbling Bercow belies Brexiteer brittleness

Oh for God's sake someone always has to go one better !

 

[Grendel]

Well done Caroline Flint and I hope enough of her party cowering in fear of momentum can do the right thing tomorrow

Channel 4 hysteria suggests they may win the day and force this through

 

[lordsummerisle]

I'm assuming this has already been posted on here?

Watch Boris Johnson tell the DUP in 2018 he would never put border in the Irish Sea - today he put a border in the Irish Sea

 

[lordsummerisle]

Well done Caroline Flint and I hope enough of her party cowering in fear of momentum can do the right thing tomorrow

Channel 4 hysteria suggests they may win the day and force this through

Only in the shit we are now because of the Tories cowering in fear from UKIP as was, and Brexit Party as now.

Name all the Labour MP"s who have been deselected by the Momentum Marxists or had their whip withdrawn from them?

Now, hope your typing finger is fit enough, name all the Tory MP's who have been deselected or had their whip withdrawn.

Now, get

 

[Grendel]

Only in the shit we are now because of the Tories cowering in fear from UKIP as was, and Brexit Party as now.

Name all the Labour MP"s who have been deselected by the Momentum Marxists or had their whip withdrawn from them?

Now, hope your typing finger is fit enough, name all the Tory MP's who have been deselected or had their whip withdrawn.

Now, get

Are we allowed to include the MPs who’ve left the party due to its anti Semitic stance?

The purge will also of course happen when the election is called and it will be brutal

 

[CCFCSteve]

According to Kier Starmer on Andrew Marr yesterday the opposition believes that the deal has a trap door for a no deal brexit and as Boris and co’s reputations go before them no one trusts them to vote for the deal and then the legislation required to complete it. Thus forcing a no deal brexit, by “accident” of course.

Boris has done nothing by choice to speed the Brexit process up, just the opposite. We could be a lot further down the road now if he’d have treated Brexit with the urgency needed to give the Halloween deadline a chance. We’d probably still have had the bill blocking no deal and the Letwin bill but I don’t think it’s unreasonable to say we could have been a week or maybe 2 ahead of where we are today had Boris not pissed around. Today is just another example of that and that’s before you even get into the illegal proroguing of Parliament which if he had have gotten away with it would have put us even further back.

Starmer’s got to keep the anti no deal rhetoric going though Tony. I agree that Letwin probably had good intentions with the amendment (which I have said previously) ie protecting from MPs (ie ERG) voting in favour on Saturday and then not voting through the legislation but there is a deal on the table to avoid No Deal now. If that’s MPs main concern then they can ensure it doesn’t happen.

I think that there has been an attempt by the government to narrow the window and focus Parliament to make a decision. Personal opinion (which I will appreciate you probably won’t share) but I think it was necessary to some extent. I’m also not convinced that with the current make up in parliament any further delay will resolve the stalemate.

Ps I've never supported the proroguing (waste of time and political capital for little benefit).

 

[skybluetony176]

I'm assuming this has already been posted on here?

Watch Boris Johnson tell the DUP in 2018 he would never put border in the Irish Sea - today he put a border in the Irish Sea

Good old Honest Boris. And people question parliament for passing a bill that holds him to his word.

 

[Malaka]

I'm voting for him just to see the results being read out

 

[skybluetony176]

Starmer’s got to keep the anti no deal rhetoric going though Tony. I agree that Letwin probably had good intentions with the amendment (which I have said previously) ie protecting from MPs (ie ERG) voting in favour on Saturday and then not voting through the legislation but there is a deal on the table to avoid No Deal now. If that’s MPs main concern then they can ensure it doesn’t happen.

I think that there has been an attempt by the government to narrow the window and focus Parliament to make a decision. Personal opinion (which I will appreciate you probably won’t share) but I think it was necessary to some extent. I’m also not convinced that with the current make up in parliament any further delay will resolve the stalemate.

Ps I've never supported the proroguing (waste of time and political capital for little benefit).

He has but there’s still something in what he says.

 

[lordsummerisle]

Are we allowed to include the MPs who’ve left the party due to its anti Semitic stance?

The purge will also of course happen when the election is called and it will be brutal

No it won't, and you know that the anti- semitic line against Labour is a massive over-exaggereation, used by those on the right of the party to undermine the leadership.

Plus of course, though not a conspiracy theorist by nature( unless it concerns CCC!), the fact that the Israeli embassy was caught influencing British politics, both Tory and Labour, is an absolute scandal which very little made of.

 

[shmmeee]

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I'm voting for him just to see the results being read out

Is that real? I mean their leader is called Dick Braine so anything’s possible. Or it was , I think he’s being done for fraud now or something

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Parliament who keep trying to legislate to stop no deal? Yes definitely their fault if we leave without one...

I mean for fucks sake man


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What don't you understand? We have had 4 deals on the table now. Parliament keeps rejecting them/noticeably try to thwart them.

People want this done with so come the GE will play right into Boris's hands & give him their sympathy vote.

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[SkyblueBazza]

According to Kiar Starmer on Andrew Marr yesterday the opposition believes that the deal has a trap door for a no deal brexit and as Boris and co’s reputations go before them no one trusts them to vote for the deal and then the legislation required to complete it. Thus forcing a no deal brexit, by “accident” of course.

Boris has done nothing by choice to speed the Brexit process up, just the opposite. We could be a lot further down the road now if he’d have treated Brexit with the urgency needed to give the Halloween deadline a chance. We’d probably still have had the bill blocking no deal and the Letwin bill but I don’t think it’s unreasonable to say we could have been a week or maybe 2 ahead of where we are today had Boris not pissed around. Today is just another example of that and that’s before you even get into the illegal proroguing of Parliament which if he had have gotten away with it would have put us even further back.

Didn't think you had any time for conspiracy theories?

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[skybluetony176]

What don't you understand? We have had 4 deals on the table now. Parliament keeps rejecting them/noticeably try to thwart them.

People want this done with so come the GE will play right into Boris's hands & give him their sympathy vote.

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We have had 1 deal rejected by parliament 3 times. Including by Boris, RM and the ERG. Not sure what other deals have been on the table.

 

[skybluetony176]

Didn't think you had any time for conspiracy theories?

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You? Think?

 

[SkyblueBazza]

We have had 1 deal rejected by parliament 3 times. Including by Boris, RM and the ERG. Not sure what other deals have been on the table.

Pedantic. Amendments changed the deal to in theory make it more acceptable.
However in essence yes - multiple opportunities to pass a deal.

The pressure being exerted by govt is to counter the pressure by the opposition to delay & reverse the outcome of the referendum.

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[SkyblueBazza]

You? Think?

Unlike yourself, yes I do.

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[Gazolba]

What's the betting that after we have finally left the EU, there will be a rising movement to apply for re-entry.

 

[skybluetony176]

What's the betting that after we have finally left the EU, there will be a rising movement to apply for re-entry.

For sure. And we’d have lost our veto on the Euro because we left. So ultimately Brexits legacy will be us joining the Euro.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

For sure. And we’d have lost our veto on the Euro because we left. So ultimately Brexits legacy will be us joining the Euro.

Hahaha made my morning already that has, typical remoaner delusion

 

[skybluetony176]

Hahaha made my morning already that has, typical remoaner delusion

Have a look at a Brexit Party rally, it’s like god’s waiting room. Then compare that to a people’s vote rally, mainly but not exclusively under 40’s.
Leave is doomed for failure whatever happens because ultimately we’ll rejoin.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Finding what's undemocratic really interesting tbh.

Undemocratic things are.

• Allowing the people a say..
• Allowing parliament to vote on policy.
• Allowing parliament to scrutinise properly bills affecting the country and its future.
• Holding the Prime Minister to account for his unlawful acts.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Have a look at a Brexit Party rally, it’s like god’s waiting room. Then compare that to a people’s vote rally, mainly but not exclusively under 40’s.
Leave is doomed for failure whatever happens because ultimately we’ll rejoin.

Yet Boris is still the most popular choice in any age group according to polls..... the peoples vote BS are just a group of sore losers

 

[djr8369]

I think that there has been an attempt by the government to narrow the window and focus Parliament to make a decision. Personal opinion (which I will appreciate you probably won’t share) but I think it was necessary to some extent. ).

It not necessary it’s reckless and will result in it being forced through without any issues addressed.



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[Deleted member 5849]

the peoples vote BS are just a group of sore losers

Hahaha made my morning already that has, typical remoaner delusion

To call this playground stuff is an insult to playgrounds across the country.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

To call this playground stuff is an insult to playgrounds across the country.

Still the truth though ain't it

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Still the truth though ain't it

Oooh ahhh biggity boo. BIGGITY BIGGITY BIGGITY BOO

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Oooh ahhh biggity boo. BIGGITY BIGGITY BIGGITY BOO

Yet you compare me with playground stuff

 

[Grendel]

Finding what's undemocratic really interesting tbh.

Undemocratic things are.

• Allowing the people a say..
• Allowing parliament to vote on policy.
• Allowing parliament to scrutinise properly bills affecting the country and its future.
• Holding the Prime Minister to account for his unlawful acts.

Allowing the order paper to go to an opposition is entirely unique and against our democracy - holding government to account is a cliche - the opposition are in effect the government which is by definition not democratic as they were not elected for this purpose

I assume if there was a referendum and remain won but a year later polls indicated again an anti Europe majority you’d be the first to demand a further referendum?