General Election 2019 thread (17 Viewers)

[fernandopartridge]

Why does everybody's memories of the 70s follow the same tired lines trotted out by the right wing media? Weird isn't it

 

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[Astute]

You can’t have it both ways though Shmmeee ie the worldwide financial crisis wasn’t the government at the times fault but the government trying sort the mess out following it is to blame for not dealing with it correctly ?! They were unusual and extreme times. Also you say that the government should spend big during recessions (to pick up the slack) and yet labour were spending big for 13 years pre financial crisis during times of strong economic growth ?!!

The fact is if the Coalition government hadn’t take certain steps the cost of borrowing would’ve shot up. The fairer question is when in the recovery should the Tories starting increasing spending. I personally think Hammond was way too cautious, especially in relation to infrastructure projects and should have done more earlier.

I can handle a balanced view ie labour had to improve public services in the early years of Blair government but then also didn’t control spending between 2002 and 2008 leaving us with nothing to play with when the crisis hit, or the Tories needed to make cuts in 2010 to retain a semblance of control over public finances but could’ve maybe have ended ‘austerity’ earlier but to keep such a one sided bias actually weakens some good/sensible points

Ps Check out the cuts that Ireland and Greece had to make post financial crisis....that’s austerity ! From memory Ireland’s public sector workers had an immediate 7%-10% pay cut ! Bizarrely, it could be argued that by taking more drastic/immediate action, meant they bounced back out of recession a lot quicker/better than we did.

Very well put.

 

[Astute]

Why does everybody's memories of the 70s follow the same tired lines trotted out by the right wing media? Weird isn't it

Why do others try and make out it was the fault of the Tories and Labour was innocent of everything?

A bit like when you said Labour had nothing to do with privatisation of the NHS. I showed you the evidence. Why didn't you make a comment on the subject?

You would think a general election is close.......

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Why does everybody's memories of the 70s follow the same tired lines trotted out by the right wing media? Weird isn't it

I remember the eighties. Riots, unemployment, civil division and the fracturing of communities...

But you struggle to get people thus say they won't vote for the Tory Party based on that.

They do have form for messing about with Ireland before, of course...

 

[skybluetony176]

I remember the eighties. Riots, unemployment, civil division and the fracturing of communities...

But you struggle to get people thus say they won't vote for the Tory Party based on that.

They do have form for messing about with Ireland before, of course...

Ahh. The Poll Tax Riots. Happy days.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

This is something I don’t get. The type of people who have the mentality to do something as decent as being a teacher should be judged negatively on the same mentality because of where it’s led them politically. Doesn’t the fact that teachers tend to be left thinking and the fact that contribute something positive to society say something positive about socialism?

Compare that to your average capitalist whether that be the traders that gamble and lose your pension, invent things like endowment mortgages, disaster capitalist, all things that the working man end up paying for while the people behind them waltz of into the sunset with a big fat bonus, they all tend to be right wing. Unless you’re one of those guys why would you want to be on their side?

It is a point that there is a higher likelihood of those involved in science and education to be left leaning. These are places that encourage people to question and test perceived 'truth'. Of course it isn't perfect and some results are kept quiet because they don't provide the desired answer or someone in a position of power prevents it due to self-interest, but it encourages people to not just accept that the way things are is necessarily correct and see how it is wrong and test ways it could be different using empirical evidence.

Things like business and religion however largely do the opposite. Those that get ahead in these areas tend to be those that don't question too much and continue doing things in the same way as they always have been. 'It is the way it is done' is more important than 'Is it the way it should be done'.

 

[Astute]

I remember the eighties. Riots, unemployment, civil division and the fracturing of communities...

But you struggle to get people thus say they won't vote for the Tory Party based on that.

They do have form for messing about with Ireland before, of course...

I would never vote Tory. That is for the rich and those who pretend they are rich.

I would most probably be better off most elections voting Tory. But they are not for the man in the street. That is why I have always voted Labour. And it is why I am now struggling. My vote is definitely not going to the Tories or Brexit party. I also want my vote to count. But come on. Corbyn? Seen more charisma in a soggy lettuce leaf. Hardly ever let's us know what he wants. Dithers more than my wife.

The problem is who is left that is worth voting for. Nobody. Politics in the UK is shafted.

 

[Philosoraptor]

I remember the eighties. Riots, unemployment, civil division and the fracturing of communities...

But you struggle to get people thus say they won't vote for the Tory Party based on that.

They do have form for messing about with Ireland before, of course...

Always good when it's put to music.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

For all the Jezza lovers

 

[Grendel]

Why does everybody's memories of the 70s follow the same tired lines trotted out by the right wing media? Weird isn't it

Not really as the Corbyn administration would be the most comparable we’ve had since then to economic strategy and union alliances. Most on here dismiss the Blair years as having any associations with labour so that is their legacy and it’s a very grim legacy

 

[Liquid Gold]

For all the Jezza lovers

Irony is dead

 

[Ian1779]

They can’t see the truth,Just soiling their pants while looking up at the hammer and sickle.
While McDonnell and McClusky smoke their big fat Havana cigars on the beach in beautiful socialist and stable Venezuela laughing at their comrades!!!

and that’s bingo....

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Irony is dead

Like your opinion then

 

[Philosoraptor]

I would never vote Tory. That is for the rich and those who pretend they are rich.

I would most probably be better off most elections voting Tory. But they are not for the man in the street. That is why I have always voted Labour. And it is why I am now struggling. My vote is definitely not going to the Tories or Brexit party. I also want my vote to count. But come on. Corbyn? Seen more charisma in a soggy lettuce leaf. Hardly ever let's us know what he wants. Dithers more than my wife.

The problem is who is left that is worth voting for. Nobody. Politics in the UK is shafted.

I think the same is happening as what Kinnock did in the 80's and moved the party right. It does look like when a party goes back to being opposition it takes a good ten years for the majority change of MPs and councillors.

I think the next step now, win or lose for Labour is the changing of the local councillors and this will have a knock on affect with MPs

 

[Ian1779]

For all the Jezza lovers

You need to feed back to CCHQ that their memes are dogshit, and they’ve got the grammatical capability of a pigeon.

 

[Ian1779]

I would never vote Tory. That is for the rich and those who pretend they are rich.

I would most probably be better off most elections voting Tory. But they are not for the man in the street. That is why I have always voted Labour. And it is why I am now struggling. My vote is definitely not going to the Tories or Brexit party. I also want my vote to count. But come on. Corbyn? Seen more charisma in a soggy lettuce leaf. Hardly ever let's us know what he wants. Dithers more than my wife.

The problem is who is left that is worth voting for. Nobody. Politics in the UK is shafted.

If you want charisma, why don’t you see if the Rock is free?

 

[Astute]

If you want charisma, why don’t you see if the Rock is free?

Should I just blindly vote Labour as I always have?

The Lib Dems would have got my vote if they hadn't jumped into bed with the Tories.

 

[Astute]

I think the same is happening as what Kinnock did in the 80's and moved the party right. It does look like when a party goes back to being opposition it takes a good ten years for the majority change of MPs and councillors.

I think the next step now, win or lose for Labour is the changing of the local councillors and this will have a knock on affect with MPs

Most important is to get a leader that people trust. We haven't had a decent leader since John Smith.

 

[Ian1779]

Should I just blindly vote Labour as I always have?

The Lib Dems would have got my vote if they hadn't jumped into bed with the Tories.

not saying you should... but stop making it all about Corbyn and look at the policies that fit best with your qualities.

 

[shmmeee]

For all the Jezza lovers

He might not be that smart, but I’d wager he can spell “you’re”

 

[shmmeee]

Should I just blindly vote Labour as I always have?

The Lib Dems would have got my vote if they hadn't jumped into bed with the Tories.

You should realise that we have a parliamentary democracy and not a presidential system. As Johnson has aptly shown a PM without the backing of the house can’t do much.

Then you should look at the candidates for your constituency and pick the one you think would be best.

I know. I’m a dreamer.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

For all the Jezza lovers

The grammar there.......

And as it's unsigned I assume it's Alexander's.....

 

[OffenhamSkyBlue]

I think the same is happening as what Kinnock did in the 80's and moved the party right. It does look like when a party goes back to being opposition it takes a good ten years for the majority change of MPs and councillors.

I think the next step now, win or lose for Labour is the changing of the local councillors and this will have a knock on affect with MPs

Kinnock became leader as a reaction to Michael Foot. He then showed himself to be an unelectable idiot (which is why he is now still something major and unelected in the EC), so the equal and opposite reaction (as Isaac Newton would say) was to elect the acceptable face of Socialism in John Smith, who was the last leader of the truly socialist Labour party that i voted for in my younger years. When he sadly died, Tony B Liar rocked up and claimed to represent something he called "New Labour", which was nothing of the sort - it was Tory-lite!
Corbyn is just as ineffectual as Kinnock or even Foot, in my view, hasn't got an independent thought in his head, and i won't be voting for him.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

not saying you should... but stop making it all about Corbyn and look at the policies that fit best with your qualities.

Yeah I'll wait for the manifesto. The last one pleasantly surprised me by being a decent balance as far as I was concerned. The noises worry me a little at present, I must admit, that it'll go too radical but... I'll wait and see!

Have the same issue as Astute with the Liberals. Found it very strange when, under Charles Kennedy, they were to the left of Labour on certain things. They ruined all that by their choice of coalition partner (and, more importantly, what they gave up as a result - although hindsight suggests they moderated Cameron more than I thought at the time!).

Will wait and see though.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Then you should look at the candidates for your constituency and pick the one you think would be best.

tbf that's kind of hard when none of the buggers can be bothered to tell me what they stand for, as a result of a massive Labour majority!

 

[clint van damme]

I'm convinced the tories will win without a workable majority and we'll be no further forward

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I'm convinced the tories will win without a workable majority and we'll be no further forward

Frankly, this is one I wouldn't like to predict. The campaign could well make or break this election. I reckon the posh fantasist will get an easier ride by virtue of being posh, mind you.

 

[clint van damme]

Frankly, this is one I wouldn't like to predict. The campaign could well make or break this election. I reckon the posh fantasist will get an easier ride by virtue of being posh, mind you.

He gets away with murder but I've a feeling the tories are going to drop a major bollock somewhere. The NHS is obviously an Achilles heel and Matt Hancock already appears to be on the verge of a breakdown and makes a fool of himself in every interview.
Surprised no one's jumped on it like they do with Dianne Abbott.
Can't think why they pick on her?!

 

[Liquid Gold]

He gets away with murder but I've a feeling the tories are going to drop a major bollock somewhere. The NHS is obviously an Achilles heel and Matt Hancock already appears to be on the verge of a breakdown and makes a fool of himself in every interview.
Surprised no one's jumped on it like they do with Dianne Abbott.
Can't think why they pick on her?!

Don't acknowledge racism exists, they'll be in a right hissy fit.

 

[OffenhamSkyBlue]

I don't think Hancock's half-hour comes close to the rank stupidity shown by Ms Abbott in recent times.

 

[Ian1779]

I don't think Hancock's half-hour comes close to the rank stupidity shown by Ms Abbott in recent times.

I’d be more concerned that the last chancellor got some his deficit/spending calculations out by more than £20bn - you know the guy that was actually in charge of the money - with a crack team of financial experts at his disposal.

Yet you’re all beside yourself because Diane messed up a few police numbers for an interview.

 

[shmmeee]

tbf that's kind of hard when none of the buggers can be bothered to tell me what they stand for, as a result of a massive Labour majority!

I did say I was a dreamer. Most of them are lobby fodder anyway. But I would like a house filled with intelligent thoughtful MPs of all sides.

 

[Ian1779]

I did say I was a dreamer. Most of them are lobby fodder anyway. But I would like a house filled with intelligent thoughtful MPs of all sides.

just some more with a beating heart and some empathy would be a start.

 

[Liquid Gold]

I did say I was a dreamer. Most of them are lobby fodder anyway. But I would like a house filled with intelligent thoughtful MPs of all sides.

Someone actually wanting to be an MP should probably rule them out straight away.

 

[shmmeee]

I'm convinced the tories will win without a workable majority and we'll be no further forward

It would be the most Brexit thing ever.

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