Robccfc87
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Agreed, it's just that I understand the has-been quote, he has declined in recent years but will obviously go down as a great no matter what.
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covcity4life
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agree although i cant agree on has been quote, hes not failed yet. if you stay somewhere long enough you become the villain etc
bringbackrattles
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Off thread a little. Albeit on a smaller scale, what about the job our manager is doing. I reckon he's working wonders with the resources he's been given. There's only one Mark Robins !
Robccfc87
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His tenure at Man U was a failure even with the 2 trophies. And he certainly doesn't stay anywhere long enough cos he gets sacked!!!
covcity4life
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he left porto and inter so he doesnr always get sacked. and most managers do get sacked anyway
and even failure at man utd conssited of 2 trophies and he has outdone all the other post fergy managers
i would like him to go back to being charasmatic rather than miserable though
Robccfc87
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That's his biggest problem is the negativity, I've gone from loving him to hating him in 3/4 years and it shows in his teams style. He has a perfect chance to turn that around now as he has to be offensive with that Spurs squad surely. Time will tell. If he's not got a job in 2 years then he's done as a big club manager.
covcity4life
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unless he wins a trophy at spurs in that 2 years, its not like many other spurs managers have!
I would argue winning the two Europa Leagues at Utd is better than anything Poch did at Spurs. Poch’s downfall will be that he openly admits he doesn’t care about winning trophies.
Grendel
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covcity4life
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in recent memory ffs, whens last trophy? 2008? thats 11 years ago
if jose wins a cup with spurs its another great addition to his c.v its that simple
he is simply not a has been guys!
if jose wins a cup with spurs its another great addition to his c.v its that simple
he is simply not a has been guys!
Reckon we'll see this, he clearly wasn't happy at United, living in a hotel away from his family I believe, clearly clashed with Pogba and probably didn't handle that situation well, he loves London life.
Think he'll do well at Spurs, think Poch will do well wherever he goes,
Sometimes working relationships just come to a natural end, Poch should be remembered at WHL as the bloke who put Spurs over Arsenal for a number of years and took them to the CL final.
Think this is a huge job for him and will show whether he still has the hunger for management and more importantly hasn't been left behind by the modern game.
I'd say if he's not won a trophy by the end of 2022 he'll be a firm fixture next to Roy Keane in the sky sports studio
SkyBlueDom26
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Gareth bale as his first signing i reckon
Robccfc87
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I would argue that the fact united were even in the Europa league whilst Spurs were in champions league is a failure on uniteds part.
covcity4life
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not so sure, think will always be a inter milan job for him waiting at some point or another
covcity4life
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But it was joses first season so it cant be a failure on his part, he did his job and won it
if you look at europa winners since 2009/10 rebranding its prestigous trophy initself despite what chavs on social media will tell you
atletico madrid x3
sevilla x3
chelsea x2
man united
porto
Robccfc87
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And look at that path united got that year, incredible fortune. Also look where he took united in the league by the time he left. He's the management equivalent of heroin: great at first but after a few years you're f@#ked!!
covcity4life
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A wins a win. Grasping if try to put down a European cup win
Has poch failed at spurs btw? Curious as look how he has left and with position spurs r in
Robccfc87
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It's just not where united should be though is it.
Well season on season they've never been in CL 4 years in a row, I would've thought that during his first bad spell and considering they went 3 windows without signing a player whilst new stadium is being built he can feel harshly treated by being sacked in November.
Robccfc87
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Purely out of interest do you regard top 4 or one of the "lesser" cups as the greater achievement? On a personal note I believe in the current climate top 4 is the aim for every chairman and manager.
covcity4life
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i am old school. i respect all trophies and i hope i never change from that pov
united were already out of top 4 when he joined, he qualified them for season after via eruopa win then next season top 4. then fell out of places before leaving the club halfway thru season. it was a bad ending but that doesnt mean you discount all that was good before hand
also have said utd his worst stint at a club but when you see how everyone else done post fergy he obv didnt do that bad at all. he clinched cl qualification in both of his first 2 full seasons and won 2 cups(3 if include community shield)
way too much being put on a bad ending which seems to happen to vast majority of managers everywhere anyway
Robccfc87
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There wasn't that much good in the grand scheme of proportionate relevance. Spending what he did with a club that has more financial clout than any other he should not have had 1 good season then gone for a burton. Anyway, it looks like we respectfully disagree on what purports as success but that's not a problem, I'm sure the next two years should answer the current questions raised. I look forward to seeing it unfold (or unravel!).
bringbackrattles
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What amazes me is that hardly any mention of the quick change over of manager. Usually you get comments of we're taking our time, or we've got a shortlist etc. Bet Pocchetino was driving away when he spotted a car going past and thinking :" that bloke looks the spitting image of Mourinho ? "
JM had the 2nd highest win % of any United manager in history, he won a domestic and European trophy, made another FA Cup final.
In 17/18 they finished 2nd in the league above Klopp and Poch with arguably an inferior squad than both.
It ended sourly mainly due to bust up with Pogba who then turned the dressing room. Clear they stopped playing for him after that.
To say he's a "has been" based on that tenure is well wide of the mark.
In 17/18 they finished 2nd in the league above Klopp and Poch with arguably an inferior squad than both.
It ended sourly mainly due to bust up with Pogba who then turned the dressing room. Clear they stopped playing for him after that.
To say he's a "has been" based on that tenure is well wide of the mark.
Robccfc87
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Has been is harsh, I said in decline, he needs to change his tactics, transfer philosophy and quite honestly his negative attitude if he wants to be competing with the top 2. I will bang the drum again though: if he was that good at united why was he sacked? If it's purely down to your Pogba theory then doesn't that show he was too weak for the job?
Gazolba
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I don't know what these second-level clubs expect, he finished in the top four for four seasons and got to the Champions League final.
This season did not go so well, but that was to be expected eventually.
They don't have a players budget like the other top clubs.
In a way Pochettino was a victim of his own success.
He did so well for so long, the mangement got greedy and wanted even more.
But I think the appointment of Mourinho will turn out to be a disaster for them.
This season did not go so well, but that was to be expected eventually.
They don't have a players budget like the other top clubs.
In a way Pochettino was a victim of his own success.
He did so well for so long, the mangement got greedy and wanted even more.
But I think the appointment of Mourinho will turn out to be a disaster for them.
Grendel
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Didn’t Van De Gaal achieve a top 4 place and a trophy?
covcity4life
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That's 1 less trophy than jose
sw88
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Recall Jose saying post match once when at United that he might as well be called a ‘coach’ rather than a ‘manager’ because he no longer gets to manage when it came to off field matters
Does he know Levy is all over Spurs transfer activities? :emoji_thinking:
OffenhamSkyBlue
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WHAT transfer activities??? That was Poch's main problem - he couldn't rebuild because Levy wouldn't make money available (even by selling some of their "stars")
HuckerbyDublinWhelan
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Mourinho is a class manager. He’s a win at all costs manager. You can’t knock the run in the Europa league or the win. You can only play who you get drawn against and ultimately you have to go on and win it.
they beat Ajax, and everyone was creaming themselves over the same side last year. His record will go down as one of the greatest
they beat Ajax, and everyone was creaming themselves over the same side last year. His record will go down as one of the greatest
covcity4life
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its a social media attitude thing, knock everyone and everything
infecting the young but even oldies seem to have forgotten their love for the sport to instead be negative 247
infecting the young but even oldies seem to have forgotten their love for the sport to instead be negative 247