General Election 2019 thread (60 Viewers)

[richnrg]

. He actually end up saying to opposing things during the course of discussion about the royal family and specifically Prince Andrew. .

Yes, he did that deliberately. He was careful to refer to 'the institution of the monarchy' and 'Prince Andrew' as two separate things. And there were two separate questions asked - one about the monarchy, the other specifically about Andrew. Corbyn didn't mention the victims until the second question either, don't forget.
I think they're both cunts, for what its worth.

 

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[Deleted member 5849]

I think they're both cunts, for what its worth.

You should hear what they say about you.

 

[Ian1779]

Scotland helped May get in last time. Then Johnson shat all over its face.

you usually pay double for that.

 

[fernandopartridge]

If he’d been successful in getting one of their murderers free from prison, who knows, he might have been the cause of More innocent people being killed.
You ok with a potential PM having the links he did with the IRA?

I'm OK with it, you know full well that protesting for a fair trial is not the same thing as protesting somebody's innocence and release.

 

[chiefdave]

Shows what man he really is

Personally think it shows how gullible some people are.

 

[shmmeee]

Can’t believe people have an issue with links to the IRA but not with links to the Saudis who fund ISIS and Russia who are actively undertaking operations against us right now.

Same as the racism thing, just comes off as disingenuous

 

[Astute]

Look at all I have said about Corbyn. There’s plenty of criticisms to find. I also called for him to stand down. But trying to tie him in with being an IRA squaddie is a bit ridiculous.

The general public have a thing for charlatans in suits using long words. They vote Tory then ask why their benefits are being cut and where the policemen have gone. It also helps that Corbyn has been singled out for attacks in the media more than any other British politician in decades. He has been simultaneously portrayed as a useless old man and the biggest threat to Britain since Herr Hitler. There have been countless hit pieces designed to get the likes of Dim and westcountry riled up to vote against their own interests. And they probably will.

IRA squaddie? Where did I say that? Of course I didn't. But you do enjoy making things up.

 

[Astute]

Can’t believe people have an issue with links to the IRA but not with links to the Saudis who fund ISIS and Russia who are actively undertaking operations against us right now.

Same as the racism thing, just comes off as disingenuous

Who doesn't have an issue? Haven't seen anyone try to defend what is going on. But Corbyn is a different matter.

 

[skybluetony176]

Hmm, got a link? They're not doing very well in the Aberdeen area!

Tory Aberdeen candidate suspended over Holocaust tweets

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Tory Aberdeen candidate suspended over Holocaust tweets

Ah, Aberdeen North. They were clearly emboldened by all the lack of press Aberdeen South was getting!

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

IRA squaddie? Where did I say that? Of course I didn't. But you do enjoy making things up.

That’s quite a compliment from the king of fabrication. No you didn’t use those words. But in your eyes he’s as good as one-yet he hasn’t been arrested for these activities even once.

Support or even just sympathy for Irish reunification is not a crime. I also disagree with it, but it doesn’t warrant the hacky arguments.

 

[shmmeee]

Who doesn't have an issue? Haven't seen anyone try to defend what is going on. But Corbyn is a different matter.

The implication is vote for Boris because he’s not ... whatever. When he is and it’s more recent and more relevant.

I honestly don’t give a shit about either of them really in terms of racism or national security. My issues with Corbyn and Johnson are naivety and dishonesty respectively. My bigger issue is with a Tory party that is just a lobby for vested interests and has no interest in improving the life of the average British person.

It’s the performative “oh I really really care about national security/racism” that bothers me when they clearly don’t. Especially racism. Get to fuck does anyone who votes Tory care about racism, and no one in their right mind can claim with a straight face that Labour as a party are anything but anti racist.

In terms of national security again not a big worry of mine but a PM with a dodgy social life that’s easy to blackmail, a bunch of MPs with links to Russia, and an ideology that involves selling off our national infrastructure to the Chinese bother me far more than “Oh Corbyn always believes the little guy”. If you listen to national security experts it’s what bothers them too.

Like I say it’s just disingenuous. Complain about policy like you do and we can have a sensible debate and maybe come away agreeing to disagree. This stuff is just shit posting for the sake of muddying the waters and justifying what is basically “I like him cos he’s on my team”.

 

[shmmeee]

Ah, Aberdeen North. They were clearly emboldened by all the lack of press Aberdeen South was getting!

What I love about this story is apparently the guy who found the posts was doing research into Tory candidates alphabetically by constituency and he only got to Aberdeen North before he found this scumbag.

Standard disclaimer that I haven’t read the posts and they may also fall under the “posting stupid shit as a young person online” banner.

 

[fellatio_Martinez]

It makes me laugh how some of these poppy emblazoned hypocrites slag off Corbyn for showing sympathy for the Irish republican cause while they expect nothing but sympathy and respect for the British soldiers who have plenty of blood on their hands.

I'm no fan of Corbyns either.

 

[tommydazzle]

Thought it was a bore draw myself. A few open goals missed - e.g. Corbyn said that Johnson only got his deal through narrowly with the help of the DUP - I think they all voted against it! Johnson's hospital claims were stretching the truth and this could have been pounced on by Corbyn more effectively. Perhaps the 'referee' should be able to switch off microphones to silence candidates who talk over. A pretty dismal showing by both. It's policies not personalities that will decide my vote.

 

[Astute]

That’s quite a compliment from the king of fabrication. No you didn’t use those words. But in your eyes he’s as good as one-yet he hasn’t been arrested for these activities even once.

Support or even just sympathy for Irish reunification is not a crime. I also disagree with it, but it doesn’t warrant the hacky arguments.

My comments? Like he shouldn't be Labour leader with so many doubts on his background?

I want Labour in. But like I have always said there isn't much of a chance with Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott running the show. We hardly hear of anyone else.

And like I constantly say Boris is an absolute joke. But why is he so far in front? You can blame what and who you like. Actually you don't.

So who do you blame?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

My comments? Like he shouldn't be Labour leader with so many doubts on his background?

I want Labour in. But like I have always said there isn't much of a chance with Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott running the show. We hardly hear of anyone else.

And like I constantly say Boris is an absolute joke. But why is he so far in front? You can blame what and who you like. Actually you don't.

So who do you blame?

I've answered these points multiple times. Stop replying on auto-pilot for once

 

[Astute]

The implication is vote for Boris because he’s not ... whatever. When he is and it’s more recent and more relevant.

I honestly don’t give a shit about either of them really in terms of racism or national security. My issues with Corbyn and Johnson are naivety and dishonesty respectively. My bigger issue is with a Tory party that is just a lobby for vested interests and has no interest in improving the life of the average British person.

It’s the performative “oh I really really care about national security/racism” that bothers me when they clearly don’t. Especially racism. Get to fuck does anyone who votes Tory care about racism, and no one in their right mind can claim with a straight face that Labour as a party are anything but anti racist.

In terms of national security again not a big worry of mine but a PM with a dodgy social life that’s easy to blackmail, a bunch of MPs with links to Russia, and an ideology that involves selling off our national infrastructure to the Chinese bother me far more than “Oh Corbyn always believes the little guy”. If you listen to national security experts it’s what bothers them too.

Like I say it’s just disingenuous. Complain about policy like you do and we can have a sensible debate and maybe come away agreeing to disagree. This stuff is just shit posting for the sake of muddying the waters and justifying what is basically “I like him cos he’s on my team”.

So you don't see the problem with having someone as leader of the Labour party who has such a 'colourful' background which makes people doubt him?

And on top of this he won't tell the voters what they want to hear. It was made more clear last night. Boris was acting like a pompous twat but he got away with it.

It is simple. Does he want to campaign for or against Brexit? Nobody knows if he wants what they want. He has always been for getting out of the EU. But Labour want to remain in the EU. Jist come out with it if he wants to campaign on remaining. Then he can take votes back from the Lib Dems.

But no. It is always about something else.

 

[Astute]

It makes me laugh how some of these poppy emblazoned hypocrites slag off Corbyn for showing sympathy for the Irish republican cause while they expect nothing but sympathy and respect for the British soldiers who have plenty of blood on their hands.

I'm no fan of Corbyns either.

My point has always been that he showed sympathy for the terrorists but never for the innocent especially women and children. Not even when forced into a corner.

Don't you have a problem with this?

 

[Astute]

I've answered these points multiple times. Stop replying on auto-pilot for once

Have you?

So why is it that Labour is so far behind when the Tories have that clown Boris in charge? Remember that the majority is supposed to be in favour of remaining.

 

[CCFCSteve]

only one of those statements is true. And it's not the first one!

The first one is accurate, it depends which half of it you want to believe. The below also suggests here’s not exactly always clear with the truth either...


In October 1984, two weeks after an IRA bomb killed five at the Tory Party conference in Brighton, Corbyn invited convicted IRA volunteers Linda Quigley and Gerry MacLochlainn to the House of Commons. It caused uproar at the time.

But in an interview with the BBC’s Andrew Neil last week, Mr Corbyn said: “I never met the IRA. I obviously did meet people from Sinn Fein, as indeed I met people from other organisations, and I always made the point that there had to be a dialogue and a peace process.”

On Sunday, in an interview with ITV’s Robert Peston, he said: “I have not spoken to the IRA… I’ve met former prisoners who told me they were not in the IRA.”

It’s not clear whether MacLochlainn and Quigley fall into this category’

Again, the choice is yours but you can’t say the statement I made wasn’t true. Whatever people thought of Thatcher and the Tories at the time the above was ill judged and horrifically insensitive and that’s if you’re being generous !

 

[Ian1779]

Have you?

So why is it that Labour is so far behind when the Tories have that clown Boris in charge? Remember that the majority is supposed to be in favour of remaining.

Maybe because all the polling companies think that only about a third of people under 25 will vote. Re-adjusted polls to reflect 2017 turnout alone have the gap at less than 5%

 

[clint van damme]

The first one is accurate, it depends which half of it you want to believe. The below also suggests here’s not exactly always clear with the truth either...


In October 1984, two weeks after an IRA bomb killed five at the Tory Party conference in Brighton, Corbyn invited convicted IRA volunteers Linda Quigley and Gerry MacLochlainn to the House of Commons. It caused uproar at the time.

But in an interview with the BBC’s Andrew Neil last week, Mr Corbyn said: “I never met the IRA. I obviously did meet people from Sinn Fein, as indeed I met people from other organisations, and I always made the point that there had to be a dialogue and a peace process.”

On Sunday, in an interview with ITV’s Robert Peston, he said: “I have not spoken to the IRA… I’ve met former prisoners who told me they were not in the IRA.”

It’s not clear whether MacLochlainn and Quigley fall into this category’

Again, the choice is yours but you can’t say the statement I made wasn’t true. Whatever people thought of Thatcher and the Tories at the time the above was ill judged and horrifically insensitive and that’s if you’re being generous !

Can you show me any evidence he is an antisemite?

 

[CCFCSteve]

Thought it was a bore draw myself. A few open goals missed - e.g. Corbyn said that Johnson only got his deal through narrowly with the help of the DUP - I think they all voted against it! Johnson's hospital claims were stretching the truth and this could have been pounced on by Corbyn more effectively. Perhaps the 'referee' should be able to switch off microphones to silence candidates who talk over. A pretty dismal showing by both. It's policies not personalities that will decide my vote.

Agreed Tommy. Also a poor format. Needed to give time to both to answer properly and be challenged (probably needed two hours with a proper debate on 4-5 key topics....not asking what they would buy each other for Xmas and thoughts on Prince Andrew !!!!)

 

[clint van damme]

Can you show me any evidence he is an antisemite?

Don't bother, just seen damning evidence, Corbyn used an antisemitic pronunciation of Epstein during the TV debate last night!

Hope he apilogises to the the dead paedo and his new found freinds!!

I've heard it all now!

 

[Grendel]

Whatever people say Corbyn and McDonnell are just a pair of Sinn Fein suck ups. Always have been and always will be

in the grand scheme it’s not too big a deal. Corbyn has to beat Johnson in these battles and he drew but critically lost on the prime ministerial point

My daughter is very left wing and would be a natural voter. She said yesterday she will not vote for him. She said she’d never vote for Johnson in a million years but said he’s a leader and Corbyn is a follower

that’s the problem. They picked the wrong suck up as leader

 

[CCFCSteve]

Can you show me any evidence he is an antisemite?

I was bringing the accusations people are making regarding both individuals together Clint. I’m saying people will have their views and make their decision. In terms of anti semitism, I have to be honest and say I’m not close enough to the Jewish community to know what they might or might not find offensive in his conduct in the past, I can only refer back to various views raised by the Jewish community leaders. Again, it appears either he is deep down which is why he hasn’t properly nipped the issue in bud (I don’t believe he is...I have a greater issue with his conduct with terrorist groups) or he just deals with the matter poorly and makes ill judged decisions in relation to it.

 

[Ian1779]

Whatever people say Corbyn and McDonnell are just a pair of Sinn Fein suck ups. Always have been and always will be

in the grand scheme it’s not too big a deal. Corbyn has to beat Johnson in these battles and he drew but critically lost on the prime ministerial point

My daughter is very left wing and would be a natural voter. She said yesterday she will not vote for him. She said she’d never vote for Johnson in a million years but said he’s a leader and Corbyn is a follower

that’s the problem. They picked the wrong suck up as leader

Last night you said Johnson won, now it’s a draw?

Corbyn won, you know it, I know it.

 

[Grendel]

Last night you said Johnson won, now it’s a draw?

Corbyn won, you know it, I know it.

I’m quoting the you gov poll and being generous as Johnson won 51 49 but crucially he trounced him on prime minister suitability

 

[Astute]

Maybe because all the polling companies think that only about a third of people under 25 will vote. Re-adjusted polls to reflect 2017 turnout alone have the gap at less than 5%

So Labour could be in the lead?

 

[Ian1779]

I’m quoting the you gov poll and being generous as Johnson won 51 49 but crucially he trounced him on prime minister suitability

Feel free to check out the voting results yourself...

 

[Ian1779]

So Labour could be in the lead?

I didn’t say that did I? I said the 15% gap is not necessarily credible or accurate.

Also 2 million under 35 have registered to vote since announcement of election. This is 900,000 more than same period in 2017.

 

[Astute]

Last night you said Johnson won, now it’s a draw?

Corbyn won, you know it, I know it.

How did you work that out?

Corbyn wouldn't answer questions millions want to know the answers to. And he didn't play the game as good as Boris did when he kept saying about getting Brexit done when he didn't want to answer a question.

General election leaders' debate: Johnson and Corbyn were uncomfortable to watch

 

[Grendel]

Feel free to check out the voting results yourself...

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I quoted the you gov poll. Keep believing. 18 point gap now isn’t it?

 

[Ian1779]

How did you work that out?

Corbyn wouldn't answer questions millions want to know the answers to. And he didn't play the game as good as Boris did when he kept saying about getting Brexit done when he didn't want to answer a question.

General election leaders' debate: Johnson and Corbyn were uncomfortable to watch

More people want an answer about why the NHS is fucked, or why there are millions having to use food banks.