General Election 2019 thread (30 Viewers)

[Otis]

I am a remainer. But I am not falling for the bullshit. Can't you see that Labour are pledging the financial stability of the UK? Can't you see that they are pledging what can't be done in the timescale they say?

It doesn't make their manifesto look an honest one.

Which of the parties manifestos DOES look honest? Any of them?

 

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[richnrg]

you could argue that its designed to mimic a tabloid front page (red top etc) as opposed to a Labour leaflet.

 

[Walsgrave]

Slim majority? The longer this goes on the bigger the majority. This is why I am pissed off with the way Labour are going into this GE.

So answer the one question. Labour have said they will renegotiate leaving. The EU have said no more renegotiating. So why now and change what has been said?

I'm happy to see how the results play out but it will, unfortunately for the stability of the country, be either a hung Parliament or the slim majority that Boris can hope for at best.

The EU have said no more renegotiating. But this refers more renegotiation along the lines of the hard Brexit which the Conservatives have pursued. As we know, there are any proponents within the Labour party (including their most ardent supporters) who want to pursue softer economic terms and not forfeit, for instance, free movement. In which case it is not inconceivable for the EU to agree to go back to the negotiating table.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Thought Boris smashed the leaders debate Friday night after how hostile and bias the audience was, was a disgrace how many times he was interrupted

 

[Astute]

Fucking hell Dom. They promised 200,000 In their last manifesto have never built 1. Let me reiterate that, not a single 1.
They now have someone in charge with a worse track record of lying than May, so why do you believe it? I find it incredible.

But they did provide 200,000 temporary accommodations for the homeless. Does this count? It only costs billions a year which is wasted.

 

[fernandopartridge]

So did that help answer the question?

How will the agreement be renegotiated. Is this wrong?

Let me remind you. Because you seem to have a poor memory. The EU have said they will not renegotiate. Labour say they will renegotiate. Try answering without twisting what I say. Then you will find it harder to defend McDonnell and Corbyn.

What manifesto goes through the methodology of reaching an agreement. What's the point of that?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Fucking hell, this thread.

 

[Otis]

you could argue that its designed to mimic a tabloid front page (red top etc) as opposed to a Labour leaflet.

True, but Coventry North West is solidly Labour, so you can see the intent there.

 

[Otis]

Thought Boris smashed the leaders debate Friday night after how hostile and bias the audience was, was a disgrace how many times he was interrupted

Umm, mainly because he was talking bullshit wasn't it?

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Umm, mainly because he was talking bullshit wasn't it?

He didn't have a chance to even speak, every other leader had plenty of time however Boris didn't

BBC faces bias row after Boris Johnson is confronted by hostile audience on Question Time | Daily Mail Online

 

[Otis]

He didn't have a chance to even speak, every other leader had plenty of time however Boris didn't

BBC faces bias row after Boris Johnson is confronted by hostile audience on Question Time | Daily Mail Online

That's the Mail, so I will pass I think, thanks.

 

[Astute]

You're beyond help

Because I understand what has been going on?

Everyone now has a worse off pension. Yet you want 58 billion given to women because their pension age was brought into line with mens.

Depends which way you look at it. Women want equal rights. And they should have equal rights. But they don't want equal rights when it doesn't benefit them.

So if they get the money for having their state pension raised how about men as theirs was also raised.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

That's the Mail, so I will pass I think, thanks.

Why? Its pointing out actual facts

 

[chiefdave]

So answer the one question. Labour have said they will renegotiate leaving. The EU have said no more renegotiating. So why now and change what has been said?

The EU is “open to” Labour’s Brexit policy of renegotiating the Brexit agreement to include a customs union and single market membership, Leo Varadkar has said.

Asked about the Labour manifesto the Irish leader told public broadcaster RTE that the bloc would be “very happy” with sitting down with “whoever is prime minister” and that the opposition’s policy would not be a problem.

EU ‘open to’ Labour’s Brexit policy, says Ireland’s Leo Varadkar

 

[Astute]

Tell Astute, Labour under Blair and Corbyn are exactly the same thing

There is no hope for you.

So why is every Tory government the same yet this Corbyn leadership is nothing like what we have seen before?

 

[Astute]

EU ‘open to’ Labour’s Brexit policy, says Ireland’s Leo Varadkar

Would prefer to hear it from someone from the EU. Because as we know we keep getting reminded that it won't get renegotiated.

 

[Astute]

Which of the parties manifestos DOES look honest? Any of them?

None of them. They are all talking bullshit. But what gets me is the one that can't be done because of timescales set is the one which is supposed to be the best.

 

[clint van damme]

Power companies transfer ownership offshore to protect against Corbyn's renationalisation | Daily Mail Online

So it begins, well done Labour! Not

it doesn't make any difference, millions will flow out of the country to foreign investors instead of being invested in infrastructure and used to reduce bills no matter where the company is registered.
For what it's worth, and as I've said before, I wouldn't renationalise for the sake of it and I would start with failing rail franchises and water.

No one has answered the questions I asked last week regarding the current models of rail and water ownership.

 

[Astute]

I'm happy to see how the results play out but it will, unfortunately for the stability of the country, be either a hung Parliament or the slim majority that Boris can hope for at best.

The EU have said no more renegotiating. But this refers more renegotiation along the lines of the hard Brexit which the Conservatives have pursued. As we know, there are any proponents within the Labour party (including their most ardent supporters) who want to pursue softer economic terms and not forfeit, for instance, free movement. In which case it is not inconceivable for the EU to agree to go back to the negotiating table.

Have you seen the polls?

Hard Brexit? That is leaving without an agreement. Or didn't you know this?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

it doesn't make any difference, millions will flow out of the country to foreign investors instead of being invested in infrastructure and used to reduce bills no matter where the company is registered.
For what it's worth, and as I've said before, I wouldn't renationalise for the sake of it and I would start with failing rail franchises and water.

No one has answered the questions I asked last week regarding the current models of rail and water ownership.

Them setting up overseas holding companies is the best argument they could make as to why they should be renationalised.

 

[clint van damme]

He didn't have a chance to even speak, every other leader had plenty of time however Boris didn't

BBC faces bias row after Boris Johnson is confronted by hostile audience on Question Time | Daily Mail Online

fucking hell, look at who the audience manager is for question time, look at her background - you think she's against Johnson in favour of the others? Boris is probably not right wing enough for her let alone the others.

 

[Astute]

Thought Boris smashed the leaders debate Friday night after how hostile and bias the audience was, was a disgrace how many times he was interrupted

Maybe it shows the ill feeling to what he is doing.

Look on here. Ask what most think of the Tories and leaving. It would be even more hostile on here.

And Corbyn would feel loved :kiss:

 

[Astute]

What manifesto goes through the methodology of reaching an agreement. What's the point of that?

The manifesto says Labour would renegotiate the agreement. Is this a lie?

 

[Astute]

He didn't have a chance to even speak, every other leader had plenty of time however Boris didn't

BBC faces bias row after Boris Johnson is confronted by hostile audience on Question Time | Daily Mail Online

It most probably did him a favour.

 

[Astute]

it doesn't make any difference, millions will flow out of the country to foreign investors instead of being invested in infrastructure and used to reduce bills no matter where the company is registered.
For what it's worth, and as I've said before, I wouldn't renationalise for the sake of it and I would start with failing rail franchises and water.

No one has answered the questions I asked last week regarding the current models of rail and water ownership.

What questions were they?

 

[Astute]

Them setting up overseas holding companies is the best argument they could make as to why they should be renationalised.

Have you seen why they have?

They see Labour as getting them on the cheap which would hit the man on the street. Utilities are big for pension holdings. But where they have been moved ti means the proper price would have to be paid. They pay the same tax. Not like the companies that don't pay tax due. And it also doesn't protect them from being bought out by a UK government.

 

[Walsgrave]

Have you seen the polls?

Hard Brexit? That is leaving without an agreement. Or didn't you know this?

You do realise that the polls say little about how seats will be allocated? Even the greatest of leads may not translate to big majorities in seats - see John Curtice.

Yes I do realise what it means, and it not only the most likely outcome in the even that the Conservatives do not win a strong majority. We will have No Deal by the end of 2020 and this will be good for neither the EU nor the UK.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Have you seen why they have?

Nope, I thought I'd just ignore it altogether and type in a randomly generated answer.

 

[Astute]

You do realise that the polls say little about how seats will be allocated? Even the greatest of leads may not translate to big majorities in seats - see John Curtice.

Yes I do realise what it means, and it is the most likely outcome in the even that the Conservatives do not win a strong majority. We will have No Deal by the end of 2020 and this will be good for neither the EU nor the UK.

May not yes. But you state it as a certainty.

The lead is so big that Labour would need zero votes in some places to be able to compete in others. The Tories are said to have nearly half of the voters. And there is more than two parties.

No deal? There is already an agreement between the EU and Boris. Keep up.

 

[Astute]

Nope, I thought I'd just ignore it altogether and type in a randomly generated answer.

I believe you.

Or why did you say it is why it should be bought out for that reason? Do you think a British government should be able to hit pensions again?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Or why did you say it is why it should be bought out for that reason?

You really have to ask?!? As a LABOUR VOTER, you have to ask?!?

 

[Astute]

You really have to ask?!? As a LABOUR VOTER, you have to ask?!?

As a pension holder that has been hit enough already?

And what is wrong with stating the facts on what you brought up?

And why do you not challenge anything that I say against the Tories?

You are much more balanced than most on this type of thread. So I know you understand exactly what I am saying. If you have a pension it will be invested in utilities. It is a small but steady income. And it is a safe investment.

 

[skybluetony176]

Tony Blair saying that he doesn't want Labour to get a majority!!! Says it all about Corbyn

Crazy

War crazy Thatcherite in doesn’t like pacifist socialist shocker. That’s about the best endorsement Corbyn has ever got.

 

[Ian1779]

Tony Blair saying that he doesn't want Labour to get a majority!!! Says it all about Corbyn

Crazy

Says far more about Blair.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

You are much more balanced than most on this type of thread.

Then hopefully you'll take my criticism that constantly setting yourself up as arbiter of the truth, and stater of facts is not a good look, especially when it comes to perspectives.

There is one ideology that says oh no, firm moves holding company overseas, that means evil state intervention is going after innocent investors and trying to restrict their dividends - competition will not work if that happens.

The argument for nationalisation of public uitilities has been made many times before - I even made it in my response to theferret earlier. Any self respecting lefty knows that answer, even if they moderate where they choose to draw the line, such as CvD on water rather than power.

Personally, I consider evidence of utility companies putting investors first ahead of public service to be an excellent argument as to why they should be renationalised, and why their role should be skewed towards providing a service and profit to the state, rather than profit to foreign corporations (and in some cases, corporations that are nationalised public utilities in their own countries).

That's all I'll have to say on the matter, because I don't have enough hours in the day to constantly argue over misreadings. FACT