General Election 2019 thread (49 Viewers)

[mark82]

My daughters the same, she goes back in February after having a baby earlier this year, not even a discount at the nursery for her being an employee, she will be working for about £2 an hour after she pays for him to be at the nursery.

The short time ours were both at nursery at the same time we worked out my wife worked for a loss one of the 3 days she worked at the time - this was back when you only got 15 hours a week funded for over 3s, and that was the only reason she was able to go back to work after our second. Remember she used to make about £100 a month after childcare but she couldn't work more hours as the more she worked the less she'd make.

 

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[Grendel]

So many Labour voters said they just couldn't come out an put an X on their ballot paper because of Corbyn.

Alan Johnson and his rant is the truth as I’ve said earlier. He’s not a leader - he had no leadership skills and it was painful to watch

 

[Grendel]

The other thing as well is the conservative strategy all along is better

Johnson positioned himself as the people’s champion against an unrepresentative Parliament. Every defeat in parliament grew his standing with the public and dumbos who were laughing at his continuous defeats were themselves the stupid ones

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Plebs and thickos. Jesus christ maybe we should put an IQ limit on voters.
A lot of bitter sore losers on this thread.

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Then actually read what they’re saying and come to a different conclusion. ‘Look at what’s happened to this area, no money gets spent on it so I voted Tory’.

You do get that makes no sense, right?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The other thing as well is the conservative strategy all along is better

Johnson positioned himself as the people’s champion against an unrepresentative Parliament. Every defeat in parliament grew his standing with the public and dumbos who were laughing at his continuous defeats were themselves the stupid ones

Yes he conned them good and proper. With a posh accent, a sound bite or two and a talent for stand up comedy you can get an increased majority after a decade of shit.

Still it will all be brilliant now so I’m looking forward to the party.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Well Andy Burnham has moved from 80/1 to 33/1 on the betting front, though I appreciate he doesn’t currently have a seat in the Commons and I was asking yesterday whether the Labour policies and processes mean he can or can’t stand. That’s who I’d be backing if he can be persuaded.

I wanted Burnham last time out as the best fit between left-leaning but acceptable.

He doesn't fit what the membership are looking for really, though.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

The other thing as well is the conservative strategy all along is better

Johnson positioned himself as the people’s champion against an unrepresentative Parliament. Every defeat in parliament grew his standing with the public and dumbos who were laughing at his continuous defeats were themselves the stupid ones

The error was going to an election so soon. Should have made him own his decisions.

 

[Grendel]

The error was going to an election so soon. Should have made him own his decisions.

Which again shows your lack of understanding as he’d have had an even bigger majority

 

[SkyblueBazza]

My niece is currently training to be a nurse; my daughters' friend is a diabetic nurse; and my mates daughter is also a nurse. But WHY can't we produce more of our own? We do we have so many coming over? Is the training and education better and cheaper overseas? And, if so, how come so many come to the UK on student visas to study in our universities?

I'm not trying to be smart, I honestly don't know why we can't produce our own NHS doctors and staff and why there is this necessity to recruit from abroad.

Two pretty key things...Nurses & Doctors want to get paid fairly and have a nice lifestyle for the commitment they give throughout training & the early years. And some aren't prepared to wait. They, are enticed by fabulously better pay & conditions in far flung & exotic places...the US, Canada, Australia & many more value NHS trained staff higher than the NHS does...so they piss off elsewhere leaving a gap that needs to be filled...enter the need to recruit abroad. Some however quickly see that by studying further or working on certain projects & initiatives, they can become more senior &/or become more specialist & better paid - so ambition plays a part too...& they leave similar gaps, There is also a large generation of Nurses & GPs that are sick to the back teeth of changes, the work needed to implement the changes & the pace of change...so they get to early retirement age & take the money Then return as a jobbing Nrs/GP just seeing patients on a salaried basis with more set hours. Thst means the new generation of GPs & Nurses have to take the full load of the changes as well as see the patients..."& the needle returns to the start of the song, and we all sing along like before"

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[Deleted member 5849]

Which again shows your lack of understanding as he’d have had an even bigger majority

Nope, because it would have fallen by the wayside.

There's always a new manager bounce when people can't be held accountable because they haven't done anything. Brown's mistake was not heading for an election while he had his, and 'not Tony Blair' was a winner. Once either his deal got passed or they'd put in place a second referendum and had it, or they'd reached a compromise withdrawal agreement across the house, the election wouldn't have been about Brexit anymore, and would have allowed other policies to come out. Once his promises didn't happen, then they would be able to be visible.

Instead, they allowed him to call the shots. They should have kettled him, forced him to reach consensus, and moved forward with that. Forced him to govern. Because he can't.

As we'll see!

My own money's on him being gone by the time of the next election, anyway!

 

[SBAndy]

I wanted Burnham last time out as the best fit between left-leaning but acceptable.

He doesn't fit what the membership are looking for really, though.

And I suppose that is the quandary. Whether there has been even the slightest change of opinion I don’t know - I like Corbyn but have come to the realisation over the last 2 years that he’s not the guy to win an election, and I certainly didn’t see it being this convincing! It’s evident a rethink is needed, and that means embracing slightly more centrist ground. The one Party member I know is of the same opinion, so it may be more widespread.

 

[skybluetony176]

Plebs and thickos. Jesus christ maybe we should put an IQ limit on voters.
A lot of bitter sore losers on this thread.

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An IQ test isn’t a test of gullibility it’s a measurement of how good you are at doing IQ tests, nothing else.

 

[Grendel]

Nope, because it would have fallen by the wayside.

There's always a new manager bounce when people can't be held accountable because they haven't done anything. Brown's mistake was not heading for an election while he had his, and 'not Tony Blair' was a winner. Once either his deal got passed or they'd put in place a second referendum and had it, or they'd reached a compromise withdrawal agreement across the house, the election wouldn't have been about Brexit anymore, and would have allowed other policies to come out. Once his promises didn't happen, then they would be able to be visible.

Instead, they allowed him to call the shots. They should have kettled him, forced him to reach consensus, and moved forward with that. Forced him to govern. Because he can't.

As we'll see!

My own money's on him being gone by the time of the next election, anyway!

Clueless

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Boris said this just a couple of days ago.

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I wouldn't be terribly surprised if he said something provocative...he does that. However, I get sceptical when I look at the overall message projected & where those inverted commas are...& cannot see the full context of what has been said.
Not just with Bojo or any particular media type/brand...ALL of them

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[Deleted member 5849]

And I suppose that is the quandary. Whether there has been even the slightest change of opinion I don’t know - I like Corbyn but have come to the realisation over the last 2 years that he’s not the guy to win an election, and I certainly didn’t see it being this convincing! It’s evident a rethink is needed, and that means embracing slightly more centrist ground. The one Party member I know is of the same opinion, so it may be more widespread.

Indeed. I had always been nervous of Blair's shift to the right (left the party because of it!), and was always more aligned with Brown's pragmatism but underlying social beliefs.

What they really need is a personality, and one that can force through decisions on that alone. Like him or not, Blair was good at pushing forward his vision of the party. On the other side, Cameron was skilled at that for the Conservatives, too.

2017's manifesto is where I want to be at - evolution rather than revolution, bring people with you.

This time around Corbyn did look tired and flat anyway didn't he. 2017 had large rallies and a general feeling of positivity - that was a good campaign. This one's been poor all round.

 

[Mild-Mannered Janitor]

Yes he conned them good and proper. With a posh accent, a sound bite or two and a talent for stand up comedy you can get an increased majority after a decade of shit..

Only time will tell, just as with previous governments, I’ve always said you can only asses them 5-10 years after and the impact of their policy, I have varied my voting over the years, I thought Blair was really good at the time, I look back and realise he squandered the chance to really invest in infrastructure and hospitals etc, he rode a money train.
I am not sure about Boris and conning people, he gave them a simple message they could believe and understand. The other parties could not do this and therefore failed at the basic test which is to convince the public to vote for you.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

BBC reporter to working class Conservative voter: "So is your vote on loan to Boris Johnson?"

Thick working class voter: "Yes until he delivers"

Happy to be corrected but surely that should be 'till he fucks up' or something similar. To be fair though, I no longer have high expectations about such people to string a sentence together.

Think I heard this guy...he was actually trying to say he didn't trust Labour under Corbyn's leadership anymore than the Tories, but believed Brexit should happen & the Tories were therefore the only realistic option. Now he expects them to bring it on with the hospitals, police, investment and Brexit.
He wasn't convinced much will happen beyond Brexit in some form or another though...hence it was a loaned vote in his mind.

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[SkyblueBazza]

The story from Bolsover:

General election 2019: How Dennis Skinner lost his Bolsover seat

Incredibly frustrating stuff to read. No matter what the Tory says those constituents spat in Skinner’s face yesterday.

You can't blame the constituents...he's been a great servant to them over the years. He is just in the wrong party at the wrong time on the biggest issues the constituents have decided are the things influencing their vote.

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[Deleted member 5849]

You can't blame the constituents...he's been a great servant to them over the years. He is just in the wrong party at the wrong time on the biggest issues the constituents have decided are the things influencing their vote.

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He's more pro Brexit than most of the Tory Party! He'd have happily voted it through!

 

[Grendel]

He's more pro Brexit than most of the Tory Party! He'd have happily voted it through!

He’d be 92 at the next election - he needed to be out out to grass anyway

 

[Deleted member 5849]

He’d be 92 at the next election - he needed to be out out to grass anyway

There is definitely an argument now was the time for him to retire, but you'd have had to carry him out in a box for that to happen.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

The positive from the election is that at the next election we’ll have left the EU and it will be 14 years since the last labour government so when the Tories continuation of austerity budget delivers a continuation of a crisis in the NHS, a continuation of a crisis in policing, a continuation of a crisis in social care, a continuation of a crisis in the prison service, a continuation of growing inequality, a continuation of the use in food banks etc. basically everything that’s rotten about the country that won’t change they’ll have to hold this government to account instead of blaming the EU, Labour or the 2008 world recession. I won’t hold my breath, the plebs will still be lapping up.

Didn't catch her name...but a Labour MP/ex-MP was saying yesterday that Corbynism looked attractive initially with austerity a genuine target in 2017. Since, it got found out & the voters turned against it in droves & hence we have this result. Went on to say that we (Labour) have to move away from Corbyn & Momentum ideals. We have to be more open-minded to people & listen to them & properly consider what they are saying. We cannot just keep telling people they are wrong because they disagree with us & then just shout them down every time they voice their opinion.

I think she was talking to you Tony/Schmmeee/Mart/BSB/Claude/SickBoy & one or two others on here

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[SkyblueBazza]

Then actually read what they’re saying and come to a different conclusion. ‘Look at what’s happened to this area, no money gets spent on it so I voted Tory’.

You do get that makes no sense, right?

There are quite a few political pundits predicting that Boris, being a clever strategist, has duly noted that there has been a massive imbalance on investment in infrastructure in Scotland & the North East & the Midlands relative to the Sputh & London. They think his Government will likely invest in the old Labour safe seat's with projects that are highly visible & can be referred to as specific evidence of investment.

He is planning ahead for a second term already! The rest (bar SNP) will have a lot of catching up to do if these pundits are correct.


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[SkyblueBazza]

Yes he conned them good and proper. With a posh accent, a sound bite or two and a talent for stand up comedy you can get an increased majority after a decade of shit.

Still it will all be brilliant now so I’m looking forward to the party.

You come across as having nothing but contempt for those who see things differently to you. Maybe it is YOU that is out of step? Or are you a higher form of life?

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[The coventrian]

Bring back the workhouses, why go back to the 70s with Corbyn when you can go back to Victorian times with Coventrian.
You might just be visited by 3 ghosts this Christmas.

Typical lazy left winger attitude .We want our arses wiping all our life.
Everyone should pay their way. What's wrong with a couple of quid a week? Theyd have to cut down on the lambert and butler intake.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

He's more pro Brexit than most of the Tory Party! He'd have happily voted it through!

But it also proves the point that people in GE vote for the party who they believe has the best PM in the making...not local policies in the main.

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

You come across as having nothing but contempt for those who see things differently to you. Maybe it is YOU that is out of step? Or are you a higher form of life?

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No contempt for the voters only confusion. But Johnson showed plenty of contempt when voters and journalists attempted to question him. And he got rewarded for it.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

There are quite a few political pundits predicting that Boris, being a clever strategist, has duly noted that there has been a massive imbalance on investment in infrastructure in Scotland & the North East & the Midlands relative to the Sputh & London. They think his Government will likely invest in the old Labour safe seat's with projects that are highly visible & can be referred to as specific evidence of investment.

He is planning ahead for a second term already! The rest (bar SNP) will have a lot of catching up to do if these pundits are correct.


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All hail him! He can do no wrong and will bring prosperity to all!

 

[The coventrian]

The short time ours were both at nursery at the same time we worked out my wife worked for a loss one of the 3 days she worked at the time - this was back when you only got 15 hours a week funded for over 3s, and that was the only reason she was able to go back to work after our second. Remember she used to make about £100 a month after childcare but she couldn't work more hours as the more she worked the less she'd make.

We used to pay £700 a month for childcare. We never cried like babies on social media though. We just got on with it.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Only time will tell, just as with previous governments, I’ve always said you can only asses them 5-10 years after and the impact of their policy, I have varied my voting over the years, I thought Blair was really good at the time, I look back and realise he squandered the chance to really invest in infrastructure and hospitals etc, he rode a money train.
I am not sure about Boris and conning people, he gave them a simple message they could believe and understand. The other parties could not do this and therefore failed at the basic test which is to convince the public to vote for you.

He’s a notorious liar who showed contempt for anyone who called him out. He’s just a talented charlatan

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Labour need to decide if it’s 15 years out of power or 5 years. Can’t see who can take the party out of the mire

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Labour need to decide if it’s 15 years out of power or 5 years. Can’t see who can take the party out of the mire

Starmer is the obvious one who'd make mincemeat out of Johnson in PMQs, but he could well still be seen as part of that metropolitan elite.

Burnham as mentioned, but has been known to flip-flop, and is he strong enough?

Of the northern women they keep putting up... no clue what they'd add!

Hillary Benn as a leftfield choice, but burned his bridges with the membership so no chance.

 

[RedSalmon]

The other thing as well is the conservative strategy all along is better

Johnson positioned himself as the people’s champion against an unrepresentative Parliament. Every defeat in parliament grew his standing with the public and dumbos who were laughing at his continuous defeats were themselves the stupid ones

Absolutely, could not agree more. He knew what he was doing.

 

[Grendel]

Starmer is the obvious one who'd make mincemeat out of Johnson in PMQs, but he could well still be seen as part of that metropolitan elite.

Burnham as mentioned, but has been known to flip-flop, and is he strong enough?

Of the northern women they keep putting up... no clue what they'd add!

Hillary Benn as a leftfield choice, but burned his bridges with the membership so no chance.

Starmer is a self indulgent oaf

 

[RedSalmon]

The only Labour politician who has impressed me over the last couple of years is Steven Kinnock. Makes a lot of sense and could do well if given the chance. Am surprised his name does not get mentioned at all with regard to future leadership of the Labour party. Mind you, thought his old man was a right wind bag!!!