Mark Robins (16 Viewers)

[Grendel]

No I don’t, but George was a part of a successful duo which wasn’t quite the same when it split. Not getting into great debate about it but Sill a motivator yes but pants in the transfer market, how many strikers did he sign ? When it comes to managing Dave Sexton for example never gets a mention, boring yes but had to work most of his time with fledglings fresh out of the youth team due to no money and a number of those youngsters went onto bigger and better things sadly not here.

He signed the guy who won us the F A Cup, Kevin Gallagher and David Speedie

 

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[Ring Of Steel]

Excellent points raised here

Pressley was appointed because of his work at Falkirk and was considered the ideal man at the club based on his record there

So you're saying we appointed Pressley on the basis of him relegating Falkirk. Righto.

Again, dress it up however you want, Mark Robins has had a much better managerial career than Stephen Pressley- backed up by whatever stat you want to produce.

 

[Liquid Gold]

Very few think Robins is doing anything but an excellent job but to give him messiah status based on metrics that show he's had more favourable conditions than many other managers in our recent history is odd, even if he did allow those conditions to flourish.

 

[Grendel]

So you're saying we appointed Pressley on the basis of him relegating Falkirk. Righto.

Again, dress it up however you want, Mark Robins has had a much better managerial career than Stephen Pressley- backed up by whatever stat you want to produce.

He was appointed as he’d been identified as someone who could handle huge budget cuts and make youth players into saleable assets which would fund an horrendous budget gap

 

[Ring Of Steel]

He signed the guy who won us the F A Cup, Kevin Gallagher and David Speedie

He also signed Kevin Drinkell, Dougie McGuire, Paul Edwards etc, and never truly rebuilt the side which was ageing- which is when Butcher came in, tried to rebuild and took a sledgehammer to the place. Fantastic coach and man manager, not so good in the transfer market.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

He was appointed as he’d been identified as someone who could handle huge budget cuts and make youth players into saleable assets which would fund an horrendous budget gap

Slash the budget and get relegated. Quite the skillset there.

 

[Grendel]

He also signed Kevin Drinkell, Dougie McGuire, Paul Edwards etc, and never truly rebuilt the side which was ageing- which is when Butcher came in, tried to rebuild and took a sledgehammer to the place. Fantastic coach and man manager, not so good in the transfer market.

Mcguire and Edwards were not strikers?

Still Terry Butcher sold Regis and signed Paul Furlong so I now to your superior knowledge

 

[Liquid Gold]

All Coventry City managers have had to and will always have to sell players. The difference Robins has had is that he's been able to use some of the funds he's generated. our net transfer spend has been a negative for as long as I can remember but the club is still making a loss, the difference now is our owners are willing to plug a larger loss in order to allow the manager to adjust his squad. The losses made by other managers over the last 10 years has entirely gone to stemming losses.

This isn't a criticism of Robins, I think there are many managers out there that would be doing worse than him and few better. He's a very good fit for this club, has built a competitive young squad playing great football and invested in the future of the club. The football side of our operations being run in a more sensible fashion has also assisted him greatly. I think Dave Boddy deserves a lot of credit too.

 

[Grendel]

Slash the budget and get relegated. Quite the skillset there.

You do realise without Pressley we’d probably now be bankrupt and that Robins transfer revenue last season was largely due to his predecessors

 

[Ring Of Steel]

All Coventry City managers have had to and will always have to sell players. The difference Robins has had is that he's been able to use some of the funds he's generated. our net transfer spend has been a negative for as long as I can remember but the club is still making a loss, the difference now is our owners are willing to plug a larger loss in order to allow the manager to adjust his squad. The losses made by other managers over the last 10 years has entirely gone to stemming losses.

This isn't a criticism of Robins, I think there are many managers out there that would be doing worse than him and few better. He's a very good fit for this club, has built a competitive young squad playing great football and invested in the future of the club. The football side of our operations being run in a more sensible fashion has also assisted him greatly. I think Dave Boddy deserves a lot of credit too.

And my point is that if he takes us up then thats two promotions, a cup (albeit not his side), creating an exciting style of play, uniting the fans more than any manager in many years, doing all that with no ground, never complaining about budgets, and with the owners we have- that would put him undeniably & clearly in the top three ever- based on hard achievements but also based on completely turning around a badly ailing club.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

You do realise without Pressley we’d probably now be bankrupt and that Robins transfer revenue last season was largely due to his predecessors

Nonsense- you are trying to say that Stephen Pressley was some kind of mastermind because he cut the wage bill. I could do that. Had he had some kind of coherent gameplan and showed better judgement with loanees & player selection then you might just have a case, but you don't. Robins is light years ahead. And Robins' use of those funds is part of what sets him apart.

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

Nonsense- you are trying to say that Stephen Pressley was some kind of mastermind because he cut the wage bill. I could do that. Had he had some kind of coherent gameplan and showed better judgement with loanees & player selection then you might just have a case, but you don't. Robins is light years ahead. And Robins' use of those funds is part of what sets him apart.

Use of the funds?

Bakayoko and Hiwula barely get a game, now play in the 23s and the club won’t get a return. Chaplin was sold as Robins couldn’t get many goals out of him.

Clarke Harris was let go for free

 

[Liquid Gold]

And my point is that if he takes us up then thats two promotions, a cup (albeit not his side), creating an exciting style of play, uniting the fans more than any manager in many years, doing all that with no ground, never complaining about budgets, and with the owners we have- that would put him undeniably & clearly in the top three ever- based on hard achievements but also based on completely turning around a badly ailing club.

Is that your argument? You've spoken about net spend, what Pressley did elsewhere, developing of players.

think he's the top three ever if you want. Nobody is stopping you but your argument is incoherent.

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

Apparently we paid a fee for Kastaneer too.

That’s 3 players Robins have paid money for who are in the 23s today and were signed as first team players - Bakayoko, Hiwula and Kastaneer.

I would say his free signings have been better than the ones he’s paid money for

 

[shmmeee]

It’s slightly easier to succeed when you can sign Matt Godden rather than Josh McQuiod

Man you’re really not letting this taxi for Robins thing go are you?

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Mcguire and Edwards were not strikers?

Still Terry Butcher sold Regis and signed Paul Furlong so I now to your superior knowledge

Maybe you weren't aware but you aren't only allowed to judge someones ability in the transfer market based on strikers. Sillett's forays into the transfer market were suspect. And as for Butcher- not sure what that has to do with John Sillett- who never had a plan to replace Regis who was ageing at the time. Chelsea also bought Furlong btw, for whatever reason he never quite cut it in the top division.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Man you’re really not letting this taxi for Robins thing go are you?

Who said Taxi for Robins?

 

[shmmeee]

Who said Taxi for Robins?

Taxi on the way

 

[clint van damme]

Apparently we paid a fee for Kastaneer too.

That’s 3 players Robins have paid money for who are in the 23s today and were signed as first team players - Bakayoko, Hiwula and Kastaneer.

I would say his free signings have been better than the ones he’s paid money for

Robins record of signing 'proven' league one players and foreign signings hasn't been great, (though McFazdean and Allen are showing signs that they could buck the trend and Jobello was improving every week prior to his injury).
His loans and young 'project' signings have been very good if not excellent.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Is that your argument? You've spoken about net spend, what Pressley did elsewhere, developing of players.

think he's the top three ever if you want. Nobody is stopping you but your argument is incoherent.

Then name the managers that, if we got promoted, would go down in history as having achieved more than him.

You are quite able to prance around finding getouts as to why Robins isn't actually doing so well, but you are unwilling to actually put your marker down and name names.

You'd be up against 2 promotions, a cup, 2 trips to Wembley, attractive style and unifying the fans more than any manager in a long time- name your names.

 

[Grendel]

Man you’re really not letting this taxi for Robins thing go are you?

It’s nothing to do with that it’s the notion he’s one if the top 3 managers in history which he isn’t

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Who said Taxi for Robins?

My god- talk about red faced.

Now it all fits in, he just feels stupid and is too pig-headed to say "I was wrong".

 

[ccfchoi87]

Taxi on the way

Grendel was correct. Things did change and our form after this thread was much better including a win against premier league Stoke.

 

[shmmeee]

It’s nothing to do with that it’s the notion he’s one if the top 3 managers in history which he isn’t

I’m just poking you. I think he’s been excellent and is up there, I’m not getting into the finer detail of an exact ranking though.

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

Then name the managers that, if we got promoted, would go down in history as having achieved more than him.

You are quite able to prance around finding getouts as to why Robins isn't actually doing so well, but you are unwilling to actually put your marker down and name names.

You'd be up against 2 promotions, a cup, 2 trips to Wembley, attractive style and unifying the fans more than any manager in a long time- name your names.

Isn’t your argument if a League One striker scores 20 goals he’s better than a Premier League striker who scores 15

 

[ccfchoi87]

My god- talk about red faced.

Now it all fits in, he just feels stupid and is too pig-headed to say "I was wrong".

His original post in that thread was bang on

 

[Grendel]

Then name the managers that, if we got promoted, would go down in history as having achieved more than him.

You are quite able to prance around finding getouts as to why Robins isn't actually doing so well, but you are unwilling to actually put your marker down and name names.

You'd be up against 2 promotions, a cup, 2 trips to Wembley, attractive style and unifying the fans more than any manager in a long time- name your names.

A lot of managers never could have won those trophies or got promoted

 

[Ring Of Steel]

It’s nothing to do with that it’s the notion he’s one if the top 3 managers in history which he isn’t

then name the names, put his achievements up against the others, stop avoiding the question and name your top three, if we got promoted.

Now that I know you want him sacked it casts a whole new light on things, you just can't face up to the fact that you were badly wrong.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

A lot of managers never could have won those trophies or got promoted

But they didn't. Just say it, you were wrong.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

His original post in that thread was bang on

Except as history now proves, it wasn't was it?

You have no way to argue this, he was completely, totally, utterly wrong.

 

[Magwitch]

He signed the guy who won us the F A Cup, Kevin Gallagher and David Speedie

But never played the successful if a bit unusual Regis/ Houchen partnership together again after the FA Cup final. I could say a lot about Speedie who was a terrific talent but would argue was he the right partner for big Cyrillie. Sill also signed Painter, Bannister, Drinkell, Martin Lane, Kevan Smith. But he give us our greatest moment which I doubt would have happened without his motivation skills.
Question when Curtis stepped aside who replaced him ?

 

[Liquid Gold]

Then name the managers that, if we got promoted, would go down in history as having achieved more than him.

You are quite able to prance around finding getouts as to why Robins isn't actually doing so well, but you are unwilling to actually put your marker down and name names.

You'd be up against 2 promotions, a cup, 2 trips to Wembley, attractive style and unifying the fans more than any manager in a long time- name your names.

You're projecting mate.

 

[ccfchoi87]

Except as history now proves, it wasn't was it?

You have no way to argue this, he was completely, totally, utterly wrong.

He said if things don’t improve in December he has to go? They didn’t improve? So he was right?

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

Micky Adams got us to 8th in the Championship

 

[Grendel]

then name the names, put his achievements up against the others, stop avoiding the question and name your top three, if we got promoted.

Now that I know you want him sacked it casts a whole new light on things, you just can't face up to the fact that you were badly wrong.

Again it’s pointless. You would certainly say Hill, Sillett and Milne and also could easily make a case for Sexton, Mackay, Cantwelk, Gould (shudder) and Neal as they performed at a higher level