Sick Boy
Super Moderator
I expect it will be used to peddle more nonsense about 'project fear'.
The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (60 Viewers)
- Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
- Start date
Ring Of Steel
Well-Known Member
As opposed to “project prick” which Brexit appears to be. Anyone that supports what people like Mark Francois, Michael Gove, Boris Johnson, Jacob Rees Mogg, Matt Hancock etc do is clearly living in a different universe to the one I live in, where the government are supposed to do things that are for the benefit of the population
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
Come on, they really do want the best for those at the bottom.
Ring Of Steel
Well-Known Member
SkyBlueDom26
Well-Known Member
Not long to go folks! Whats everyone doing for the special day tomorrow then?
Ring Of Steel
Well-Known Member
Are you on the wind up or genuinely one of those Mark Fancois types who is looking forward to this with bells ringing & all that stuff?
SkyBlueDom26
Well-Known Member
Its all bants lad, try to not be so serious all the time
Ring Of Steel
Well-Known Member
The over the top cheery nature of your posts betrayed the fact that it was a wind up. It doesn't affect me anyway.
Ring Of Steel
Well-Known Member
I think he deleted a post?LOL “I’m removing your rights and making you poorer! Bants!”
And people say the right can’t do comedy
Brexit comes down to racism, whichever way you slice it the UK has a major racism problem, from top to bottom. The rest of it is a sideshow, ultimately the desire to boot out "johnny foreigner" & get rid of all the black and brown people is at the root of it. The right preyed on the innate racism & cretinous view that we need to be an "Empire" again and took full advantage, and thats the size of it. If thats something worthy of having a bit of 'banter' about then great, knock yourself out, I'll leave 'em to it.
torchomatic
Well-Known Member
Whilst watching the news last night I was amazed that I found a new level of hatred for Nigel Farage.
shmmeee
Well-Known Member
No it doesn’t. There’s loads of reasons for Brexit. Half the country aren’t massive racists. That’s ridiculous.
shmmeee
Well-Known Member
Best thing about Brexit will be him not making us a worldwide laughing stock TBH.
torchomatic
Well-Known Member
What's the first thing you'll do with your new found freedom on Saturday morning? Do tell.
torchomatic
Well-Known Member
Not everyone who voted Brexit is a racist, but every racist voted for Brexit.
Ring Of Steel
Well-Known Member
Touched a nerve clearly. It’s true. And if you can’t see or won’t acknowledge it then you really are stupid. Look at the statistics, look at the facts, it’s everywhere. But I’ll leave you to make a few jokes about it, maybe you can go to Dover and join the vigilante groups looking for a few brown people in a dinghy, or even better go read about the many people who’ve been in the country for 30 yrs, some for all their lives who are now being booted out as they don’t meet the ‘settlement criteria’.
Ring Of Steel
Well-Known Member
Yep. When you have the future PM and Nigel Farage getting millions of people vote for them all off the back of ‘immigration’, it’s not hard to understand the true nature of those people.
shmmeee
Well-Known Member
Thats fair enough, but not sure how useful to the conversation it is.
shmmeee
Well-Known Member
Do you think anything short of open borders is racism?
If so that’s a ridiculously niche position, if not what’s the exact line that believing in borders becomes racism?
Ring Of Steel
Well-Known Member
Spot on. We are living in a time where the hard right are on the rise, and too many idiots can’t see it.
Grendel
Well-Known Member
I don’t think Richard Burgon did
shmmeee
Well-Known Member
If you think the number one issue for Trump or Johnson voters is racism you’ll never win them back. I know a lot of Brexit voters, some have racist views, it’s not the number one issue for any of them. It’s more a despair at an economy that seems to have written them off and a political class that treats them like they don’t matter.
shmmeee
Well-Known Member
I mean he probably did. He’s stupid enough to be a Lexiter.
Ring Of Steel
Well-Known Member
Stop talking nonsense. Racism is nothing to do with imaginary borders. It’s about people seeing non white people as inferior, seeing them as undeserving of being here, it’s a state of mind. And millions of people in this country (and USA I suspect) have racist views. Brexit was a campaign based on playing to those views and built a case for ‘taking back control’, racist views used to be socially unacceptable but now, you can openly slate non white people and you’ll get people bang on about “ protecting free speech” to justify it. You should ask anyone non white if they think there is a racism problem, or even anyone non English who’s currently getting letters telling them they can’t stay in the country. You need to open your eyes, nobody is calling you personally racist, but there is a serious racism problem in this country, fuelled by a rampant right wing resurgence.
usskyblue
Well-Known Member
There are variables that you’re ignoring.
A lot of people are thick.
A lot of people don’t think free will exists.
A lot trade common sense to follow ‘their’ party line.
Racism by association is a thing
pretty offensive and exactly the type of attitude why the remain side has struggled to win the argument (pre and post referendum)
won't say any more as it’s been discussed a million times on this thread (and elsewhere)
Ring Of Steel
Well-Known Member
That’s rubbish- they think that Boris Johnson & co are going to treat them really well? Lol, yeah right. They already removed workers rights, it ain’t gonna affect me but it’s already happening around you.
I don’t buy any of that, most Brexit voters voted that way because of their views on race and how they see the people of “Great Britain” in relation to other nationalities and races.
Ring Of Steel
Well-Known Member
offensive to you because you don’t want to believe it and the truth hurts, it’s true and you find it hard to accept. Look at the stats, the facts.
The reason the remain side lost is that more people have racist undertones than people who don’t. And that’s the bottom line.
shmmeee
Well-Known Member
You’ve gone all over the place here.
You said Brexit was down to immigration (I am open to that as an explanation) and therefore it’s proof Brexiters are racist.
This implies you think anyone who thinks there’s too much immigration from the mostly white EU is a racist, which you define as dislike of non-white people. It doesn’t even make sense on your terms.
By the way I’m a Remainer.
Grendel
Well-Known Member
What a pile of self serving shite
Ring Of Steel
Well-Known Member
You need to be more coherent.
England (not so much the others in the U.K.) has a significant, and worsening racism problem. To deny betrays a massive ignorance of what is going on around you.
Ring Of Steel
Well-Known Member
You’re following me around again. And what a lucid statement. How much rent are you gonna charge me for that space in your head I’m occupying
Ring Of Steel
Well-Known Member
These are the things people ignore, it washes over them while they count the minutes until we can be “Great Britain”’ again and really get to work booting foreigners out.
Grendel
Well-Known Member
You’re following me around again. And what a lucid statement. How much rent are you gonna charge me for that space in your head I’m occupying
I really wouldn’t flatter yourself
Border control and immigration restrictions are not solely the bastions of the right
I suggest you look at old footage of Tony Benn debating with Roy Jenkins in I think an interview chaired by Robin Day. The debate was in the EU and Benn pretty much on immigration was saying the same as Farage. He and Foot were massively opposed to Europe as - if they really admitted it - are McDonnell and Corbyn. As an actual political belief real hard line socialists oppose the idea of a capitalist federal state oddly enough