The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (140 Viewers)

[Grendel]

His advisors are extreme socialists! Look at the guy that had to resign last week - if that's an extreme socialist I'd hate to see him surrounded by conservatives!

However I do agree he doesn't give a toss about conservatism - he doesn't give a toss about anything other than himself and what he wants. That is why if taking a crap EU deal will keep him as PM he'll take it - it's because that is what he really wants. If it sells the country down the river so what - he's got what he wanted out of it.

Munira Muzra and Cummings are his advisors

 

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[shmmeee]

Johnson is a chancer and gambler like Cameron - also like Cameron he doesn’t give a toss about conservatism - he’s advisors are extreme socialists - it’s inconceivable he won’t have 2 terms of office if he wants them - Katya Adler the BBC correspondent based in Europe said there was a collective wrist slitting in Brussels when the result of the election was announced

Not sure you understand what socialism is if you think a bunch of libertarians are extreme examples of it.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

it’s inconceivable he won’t have 2 terms of office if he wants them

The Conservatives might get that, he might not.

 

[David O'Day]

Most companies hedge the risk it’s not that dramatic and again it’s the ability not the action

The ability to make the import and manufacture of goods more expensive is not a super ability really

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[David O'Day]

Johnson is a chancer and gambler like Cameron - also like Cameron he doesn’t give a toss about conservatism - he’s advisors are extreme socialists - it’s inconceivable he won’t have 2 terms of office if he wants them - Katya Adler the BBC correspondent based in Europe said there was a collective wrist slitting in Brussels when the result of the election was announced

He's got to get through 1 term yet. 2024 will be a different playing field once Brexit has made the areas that lesnt their vote poorer not richer. You can only talk about sunny uplands so much until people actually expect to see them

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[Grendel]

Not sure you understand what socialism is if you think a bunch of libertarians are extreme examples of it.

Mizra was a revolutionary communist and had written many articles and a book regarding Marxism? She’s hardly a libertarian

 

[David O'Day]

Mizra was a revolutionary communist and had written many articles and a book regarding Marxism? She’s hardly a libertarian

Was. Been many a revolutionary com units who'd moved over to a right wing grift. I would hardly call Brendan O'Neill and Claire Fox socialists but they are former members of the revolutionary communist party

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Don't tell Dim our government's controlled by a bunch of left wingers that make Corbyn seem akin to Thatcher, he'll explode.

 

[clint van damme]

Was. Been many a revolutionary com units who'd moved over to a right wing grift. I would hardly call Brendan O'Neill and Claire Fox socialists but they are former members of the revolutionary communist party

Brendan O'Neil is an absolute whopper.
Thinks he talks for British working class. An arse piece of the highest order.
And I believe his mag takes funding from the Koch brothers.

 

[shmmeee]

Mizra was a revolutionary communist and had written many articles and a book regarding Marxism? She’s hardly a libertarian

Firstly almost all revolutionary communists end up libertarian. Cummings and his I’ll certainly are. They’re standard overly online Young right wingers. Mizra came from the same stock as Brendan O’Neill FFS. Basically the nucleus of the modern libertarian right and a large chunk of the Brexiter base.

You’ll be telling me Michael Gove is a socialist next.

 

[stupot07]

Parking the EU and Brexit. It's an absolute disgrace that Boris hasn't bothered visiting flood affected areas nor called a COBRA meeting about it. He literally does not give a fuck. He happily went (very late) in the election campaign, but now he has his massive majority he is nowhere to be seen. Hiding from scrutiny, showing fuck all leadership.

He literally is a cnut, and I would say the same about any PM of any party if they had behaved in the same manner.

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[djr8369]

What were their 2015 figures in comparison?

Classic selective use of data by G.


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[djr8369]

The weakening of the pound alone made JLR hugely profitable in 2016

With your insider knowledge no doubt you’re aware this only works as a cushion while there are zero tariffs at which point the current business model becomes “unviable”.

You’ll also be aware devaluation will be detrimental to the overall economy so please stop trying to paint a side effect of Brexit as some magic bullet.

After appearing to start to turn things around JLR is going to really struggle this year with Corona virus and Johnson’s kamikaze approach to Brexit.


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[Grendel]

With your insider knowledge no doubt you’re aware this only works as a cushion while there are zero tariffs at which point the current business model becomes “unviable”.

You’ll also be aware devaluation will be detrimental to the overall economy so please stop trying to paint a side effect of Brexit as some magic bullet.

After appearing to start to turn things around JLR is going to really struggle this year with Corona virus and Johnson’s kamikaze approach to Brexit.


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Er no as the main profits were and always will be outside the Eu

aftersales has little hedging and we reaped huge profits in the non Eu markets

Brexit is having no impact now and the issues that are coming are all China related as you well know

 

[David O'Day]

Er no as the main profits were and always will be outside the Eu

aftersales has little hedging and we reaped huge profits in the non Eu markets

Brexit is having no impact now and the issues that are coming are all China related as you well know

Stop pretending devaluation wouldn't hurt the UK's economy. t's been explained to you already.

 

[djr8369]

Er no as the main profits were and always will be outside the Eu

aftersales has little hedging and we reaped huge profits in the non Eu markets

Brexit is having no impact now and the issues that are coming are all China related as you well know

You’re deflecting, as usual. The EU is still a significant market. Currency devaluation won’t help the wider U.K. economy.

China isn’t the only issue as I’m sure you know and as I said above any new threat, whether the possible pandemic or Brexit may be too much for the business to deal with in its distressed state.




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[The coventrian]

With your insider knowledge no doubt you’re aware this only works as a cushion while there are zero tariffs at which point the current business model becomes “unviable”.

You’ll also be aware devaluation will be detrimental to the overall economy so please stop trying to paint a side effect of Brexit as some magic bullet.

After appearing to start to turn things around JLR is going to really struggle this year with Corona virus and Johnson’s kamikaze approach to Brexit.


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No production at land rover solihull today so a few thousand of us have been layed off . Nothing to do with Brexit though.

 

[Grendel]

You’re deflecting, as usual. The EU is still a significant market. Currency devaluation won’t help the wider U.K. economy.

China isn’t the only issue as I’m sure you know and as I said above any new threat, whether the possible pandemic or Brexit may be too much for the business to deal with in its distressed state.




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Currency devaluation would have significantly helped many Eu countries sbd will again - imports and exports in and out of the Eu are relatively balanced - to suggest it cannot be an effective tool if required is absurd

 

[David O'Day]

Currency devaluation would have significantly helped many Eu countries sbd will again - imports and exports in and out of the Eu are relatively balanced - to suggest it cannot be an effective tool if required is absurd

Currency devaluation would make goods and raw materials from outside the uk more expensive for uk based companies. What part of that do t you fuck8ng grenners. You learn this stuff at GCSE level economics.

 

[djr8369]

Currency devaluation would have significantly helped many Eu countries sbd will again - imports and exports in and out of the Eu are relatively balanced - to suggest it cannot be an effective tool if required is absurd

I’m not saying it can’t be an effective tool. I’m saying it wouldn’t be an effective tool for the U.K.

It could help some EU countries because they’re net exporters.

I suspect you know that and are just trying to move the goal posts so you don’t have to concede your original point.


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[djr8369]

No production at land rover solihull today so a few thousand of us have been layed off . Nothing to do with Brexit though.

How’s the situation with parts? Last I heard it was touch an go last week if the lines could continue?


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[The coventrian]

How’s the situation with parts? Last I heard it was touch an go last week if the lines could continue?


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Yes it's starting to affect us now. Normally if they stand the lines down they still have us(off track area)in to clear up the repair/wip cars. It's nice to have a day off but tbh I dont like this and I'd rather it be business as usual.
I believe due to this virus we're not producing cars at the moment for the Chinese market. I guess if China wont accept anything at the moment then theres no point in building them for them to be sat around in a hired storage area for weeks/months/however long this may continue.
We've also had a slight drop in orders for range rover(405)as the new model is out next year. This was to be expected though.
There is a few more stand down days between now and the end of march due to all those combined factors.

 

[Grendel]

I’m not saying it can’t be an effective tool. I’m saying it wouldn’t be an effective tool for the U.K.

It could help some EU countries because they’re net exporters.

I suspect you know that and are just trying to move the goal posts so you don’t have to concede your original point.


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It would be effective for the uk and the ability to do so puts us in a stronger possession in the event of a potential global recession as countries such as Italy and Spain will be facing certain bankruptcy if the European Bank cannot any longer retain artificially low interest rates

 

[djr8369]

It would be effective for the uk and the ability to do so puts us in a stronger possession in the event of a potential global recession as countries such as Italy and Spain will be facing certain bankruptcy if the European Bank cannot any longer retain artificially low interest rates

G we’re net importers. You’d have to completely rebalance the economy first.

Just because it’s a tool you can’t deploy at a national level in the eurozone doesn’t mean it’s an advantage to us.


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[Grendel]

G we’re net importers. You’d have to completely rebalance the economy first.

Just because it’s a tool you can’t deploy at a national level in the eurozone doesn’t mean it’s an advantage to us.


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That’s not the point though - the ability to do it makes us as at a big advantage compared to weak European economies - global recession, interest rates desperately trying to be held by the euro bank than Johnson announces we are out, no deal, no divorce settlement go whistle Europe. We then inject money into the economist, reduce corporation tax to get markets in Europe to transfer production - there’s a host of things we can do now and Europe can’t stop us

 

[David O'Day]

That’s not the point though - the ability to do it makes us as at a big advantage compared to weak European economies - global recession, interest rates desperately trying to be held by the euro bank than Johnson announces we are out, no deal, no divorce settlement go whistle Europe. We then inject money into the economist, reduce corporation tax to get markets in Europe to transfer production - there’s a host of things we can do now and Europe can’t stop us

There is no fucking advantage to making the goods and raw materials we have to import more expensive. If we have a strong enough manufacturing sector and were rich in raw materials then you'd have point but we don't. All your stupid idea would do is send more British companies to the wall as they can afford the goods they need,

You really have no clue on how economics works do you.

 

[djr8369]

That’s not the point though - the ability to do it makes us as at a big advantage compared to weak European economies - global recession, interest rates desperately trying to be held by the euro bank than Johnson announces we are out, no deal, no divorce settlement go whistle Europe. We then inject money into the economist, reduce corporation tax to get markets in Europe to transfer production - there’s a host of things we can do now and Europe can’t stop us

Yes we can do all of those things but none of those things are currency devaluation. Plus none of those things are things we couldn’t do while in the EU. Plus you’d have to make corporation tax so low you’d offset any barrier to entry costs from tariffs, if you’d even have access to the market in the first place if we’ve walked away with no divorce settlement.


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[djr8369]

That’s not the point though - the ability to do it makes us as at a big advantage compared to weak European economies - global recession, interest rates desperately trying to be held by the euro bank than Johnson announces we are out, no deal, no divorce settlement go whistle Europe. We then inject money into the economist, reduce corporation tax to get markets in Europe to transfer production - there’s a host of things we can do now and Europe can’t stop us

Also, like a lot of pro Brexit people you seem to have this perversion with EU countries failing or going into recession. Firstly, that’s people’s livelihoods you seem hell bent on the U.K. government gambling with. Secondly, a weak eurozone helps nobody. It will just drag us into a recession with it.

For various reasons it’s likely there’s a global recession in the near future. I wish people would stop with this ridiculous us vs them mentality about it. The global economy is a highly interconnected thing and we all depend on each other. Brexit, the Trump trade wars etc are the economic equivalent of farting in a packed lift.


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[skybluetony176]

Secondly, a weak eurozone helps nobody. It will just drag us into a recession with it.

Look at the last recession. Triggered by the collapse of one sector in the US economy. No way would we dodge the bullet if the Eurozone collapsed. The opposite would be true, it would be 2008+++. Only a moron would be salivating at the prospect.

 

[David O'Day]

Look at the last recession. Triggered by the collapse of one sector in the US economy. No way would we dodge the bullet if the Eurozone collapsed. The opposite would be true, it would be 2008+++. Only a moron would be salivating at the prospect.

You met grendel?

 

[skybluetony176]

You met grendel?

I have actually.

 

[Grendel]

There is no fucking advantage to making the goods and raw materials we have to import more expensive. If we have a strong enough manufacturing sector and were rich in raw materials then you'd have point but we don't. All your stupid idea would do is send more British companies to the wall as they can afford the goods they need,

You really have no clue on how economics works do you.

Yes I do and if Greece, Italy, Spain and Portugal were not hamstrung to what is effectively a German currency they would not be in the severe crises they are in now would they?

 

[Grendel]

Also, like a lot of pro Brexit people you seem to have this perversion with EU countries failing or going into recession. Firstly, that’s people’s livelihoods you seem hell bent on the U.K. government gambling with. Secondly, a weak eurozone helps nobody. It will just drag us into a recession with it.

For various reasons it’s likely there’s a global recession in the near future. I wish people would stop with this ridiculous us vs them mentality about it. The global economy is a highly interconnected thing and we all depend on each other. Brexit, the Trump trade wars etc are the economic equivalent of farting in a packed lift.


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And you seem to have a perversion the other way round

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I have actually.

intimate little tete-a-tete.

 

[djr8369]

Yes I do and if Greece, Italy, Spain and Portugal were not hamstrung to what is effectively a German currency they would not be in the severe crises they are in now would they?

Moving the goal posts again. Either that or you can’t comprehend that a eurozone nation having limited control over its currency does not mean that us having control does not equate to devaluation being an advantage.


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