SISU (10 Viewers)

[Evo1883]

the gamblers charter !!

We know the only way we would ever get there is a Brentford type model... Could take years and a huge slice of luck

 

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[Grendel]

Mark Robins if he gains promotion would be the clubs most successful manager since Hill absolutely no question

Well there is a question but anyway

 

[Evo1883]

Well there is a question but anyway

I disagree, and I would imagine most city fans would too

I know it's hard for you bud, I think eventually you will come to like Robins

 

[Grendel]

I disagree, and I would imagine most city fans would too

I don’t think those who enjoyed 35 years of top flight would disagree to be honest

 

[Evo1883]

I don’t think those who enjoyed 35 years of top flight would disagree to be honest

I witnessed from 89 and again... I disagree and firmly believe most people would too

I don't measure success in how often you can struggle and survive

 

[clint van damme]

I witnessed from 89 and again... I disagree and firmly believe most people would too

I don't measure success in how often you can struggle and survive

think there's a difference between success and enjoyment.
I am definitely enjoying the last few years far more than a lot of the time in the top flight.
Going to away games with a genuine chance of getting something rather than almost guaranteed defeat is one of the biggest plus's for me.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I witnessed from 89 and again... I disagree and firmly believe most people would too

I don't measure success in how often you can struggle and survive

I do measure an FA Cup win, a League Cup Semi Final, and numerous top 10 finishes in the top flight as being, well... moderately successful.

 

[Tommo1993]

Yeah but other than that, mediocrity and survival.

 

[Grendel]

I witnessed from 89 and again... I disagree and firmly believe most people would too

I don't measure success in how often you can struggle and survive

we were in the top half under Sillet? I think Nunes will be considered better than Graham Turner if you are a wolves fan

 

[Grendel]

Yeah but other than that, mediocrity and survival.

I’d still take that than this level of football

 

[GaryJones]

Sisu would have to leave us in a better place than they found us for it to be a fact. Thus far they’re rebuilding the very jenga tower they knocked down. That is a fact.

I agree - it was also a fact that we were about to go bust the day before they bought us too remember!
It wasn’t all coming up roses before Sisu - if they get us our own stadium and consolidate us in the Championship or dare I say it The Premier League then we should be in a better position than when they came in.
They’re are going in the right direction though!

 

[skybluetony176]

I agree - it was also a fact that we were about to go bust the day before they bought us too remember!
It wasn’t all coming up roses before Sisu - if they get us our own stadium and consolidate us in the Championship or dare I say it The Premier League then we should be in a better position than when they came in.
They’re are going in the right direction though!

You have to remember though that we didn’t avoid administration and in fact SISU were the ones that put us into administration.

 

[GaryJones]

You have to remember though that we didn’t avoid administration and in fact SISU were the ones that put us into administration.

Granted.

 

[usskyblue]

It was great being spoiled with top flight football for so many years (for me ‘76 to ‘01)

But the trade off was £60 million in debt, the selling of OUR stadium and moving to a soulless bowl with exorbitant rent.

Now THAT’S fucking incompetent ownership.

SISU fucked up bigstyle too and we spiraled... but since Northampton they haven’t done much wrong imo. Unlike previous ownership they seem to be protective of the club and work hard to keep us as solvent as possible in shitty circumstances. Of course, it’s in their best interest to.

The only fly in my wine is the ‘new stadium’ which they need to be more forthright about. If the council are fucking them around they need to say so...because people are sick to their back fucking teeth with SISU talking about ‘prospective sites’.

 

[AFCCOVENTRY]

The club was in an utter shit state financially when Sisu took over. They had a go initially backing managers but then it wasn’t viable. The recession also hit. They’ve had to strip the business (which a football club is) to its bare bones to get it self sufficient and our current model of talented young players, some experience and decent loans is working. Like every club we have to sell and can’t keep agents/big transfer fees at bay.

I’m not a Sisu fan, but they’ve kept the club going and I’m hoping as a club on the up, things are changing. Massive statement of intent is the next move on returning to the Ricoh or building a new stadium.

but first let’s get that promotion we all deserve

 

[pusbccfc]

We are back to square one, this time playing in Birmingham...

 

[shmmeee]

Need a solid tenancy and Championship football and an improvement in the finances to be ahead of where we were when they picked us up. Doesn’t look likely from here but you never know.

 

[Grendel]

Need a sure tenancy and Championship football and an improvement in the finances to be ahead of where we were when they picked us up. Doesn’t look likely from here but you never know.

We didn’t have a sure tenancy when they arrived and that’s the problem

 

[Evo1883]

Using this logic, Jimmy Hill isn't one of city's most successful managers... Which is bizzare

 

[shmmeee]

We didn’t have a sure tenancy when they arrived and that’s the problem

We did. It was just a terrible deal. We also had the option to buy half the ground. Our own ground would be a definite improvement on that. A five year deal at the Ricoh not so much.

The way I see it there were two interlinked issues when Sisu took over that you could argue the last ten years of shit can be outweighed by: the ground situation and the fact the club was a financial basket case. Sort those and get us to the Championship and Id be on board. Hell, sort those and have us competitive in L1 and I’d consider it.

 

[skybluebeduff]

Out of business


I don't actually disagree with you it's just the painful way they've gone about it that keeps most fans from saying it.

We've suffered tremendously as supporters to get where we are now, it's hard for Alot of people to forget

My point exactly mate, I've swallowed by pride and I was very vocal about how much I hated SISU. When we dropped to League Two it looked like the end, they've turned our fortunes around on the pitch under Robin's, they deserve credit.

 

[Grendel]

We did. It was just a terrible deal. We also had the option to buy half the ground. Our own ground would be a definite improvement on that. A five year deal at the Ricoh not so much.

The way I see it there were two interlinked issues when Sisu took over that you could argue the last ten years of shit can be outweighed by: the ground situation and the fact the club was a financial basket case. Sort those and get us to the Championship and Id be on board. Hell, sort those and have us competitive in L1 and I’d consider it.

We didn’t have an opportunity to buy half the ground. We had a stupid formula price to buy a charity share for around £10 million of a sub 50 year lease and would still have had to pay the full rental that had already made the club on the brink - any other council would have worked with the club not against it

 

[shmmeee]

We didn’t have an opportunity to buy half the ground. We had a stupid formula price to buy a charity share for around £10 million of a sub 50 year lease and would still have had to pay the full rental that had already made the club on the brink - any other council would have worked with the club not against it

That’s a lot of words to say we had an option to buy half of ACL.

Look this is about when I personally would consider us further forward. You’re welcome to your own views.

 

[chiefdave]

That’s a lot of words to say we had an option to buy half of ACL

If you look at the stadium situation from a financial perspective from when SISU came in and compare it to the deal Wasps got its staggering.

We would have paid £60m in rent over the course of the 50 year lease, another £10m to buy Higgs share which doesn’t actually gain you much and we were offered access to our own match day revenues for £24m. That’s £94m to play matches at the Ricoh for 50 years and match day only revenues.

Wasps got the whole thing on a 250 year lease for £7m.

 

[clint van damme]

If you look at the stadium situation from a financial perspective from when SISU came in and compare it to the deal Wasps got its staggering.

We would have paid £60m in rent over the course of the 50 year lease, another £10m to buy Highs share which doesn’t actually gain you much and we were offered access to our own match day revenues for £24m. That’s £94m to play matches at the Ricoh for 50 years and match day only revenues.

Wasps got the whole thing on a 250 year lease for £7m.

that 250 year lease was a massive game changer for CCFC and a total act of spite by the council .

 

[shmmeee]

If you look at the stadium situation from a financial perspective from when SISU came in and compare it to the deal Wasps got its staggering.

We would have paid £60m in rent over the course of the 50 year lease, another £10m to buy Highs share which doesn’t actually gain you much and we were offered access to our own match day revenues for £24m. That’s £94m to play matches at the Ricoh for 50 years and match day only revenues.

Wasps got the whole thing on a 250 year lease for £7m.

I know we’re in these roles where we argue with each other. But I just said we had a shit deal that needed sorting out and I’d forgive Sisu if they can sort it. But as of right now they haven’t and don’t look like either doing so or making it moot with a new ground.

Whether the ACL deal was worth it or not, it did exist and had a value to the club as we sold it for £4m or whatever. I used to half own a shit tip two up two down in foleshill. I now rent a better house but I was still more secure then no matter how shit my house. Right now we seem an awfully long way from any kind of security.

 

[Flying Fokker]

I witnessed from 89 and again... I disagree and firmly believe most people would too

I don't measure success in how often you can struggle and survive

In my early days that what the Sky Blues was about. Looking at the bottom of the table and wondering where the points were coming from. But also, might I add, total optimism that we would stay up...

Then we went off the rails. I have to be honest and say the relegation battles were something else and the Bristol and Everton andTottenham relegation battles were just as nerve jangling. But it will be sheer disappointment if we don’t go up this year.

 

[steve cooper]

The Fish has said a number of times in the past that our business model can't support championship football, but now we are on the cusp of getting back there. If we get promoted MR will take the credit, rightly, but we can't deny that he has been given the funds to get where we are today. In the first season under Sisu, they had a real go at funding us to get back to the premiership. Maybe they will fund another go if we get promoted, who knows? or maybe we will come straight back down. We shall see (hopefully) next season.

 

[Evo1883]

The Fish has said a number of times in the past that our business model can't support championship football, but now we are on the cusp of getting back there. If we get promoted MR will take the credit, rightly, but we can't deny that he has been given the funds to get where we are today. In the first season under Sisu, they had a real go at funding us to get back to the premiership. Maybe they will fund another go if we get promoted, who knows? or maybe we will come straight back down. We shall see (hopefully) next season.

We can deny it because there are several teams in this league with much bigger wage bills and other teams have spent too.

He was given the funds to compete

We are over achieving currently

 

[Grendel]

That’s a lot of words to say we had an option to buy half of ACL.

Look this is about when I personally would consider us further forward. You’re welcome to your own views.

We were only offered it at the price wasps paid for the whole as a way of avoiding a council veto

“This house is worth £100,000 sir. Tell. You what you can have half for £120,000. Oh no you’ve no rights sir we’ve got a separate group of people to deal with that. What? You want to pay less bills? Don’t be silly sir”

What you are not interested- oh why not?

 

[Grendel]

I know we’re in these roles where we argue with each other. But I just said we had a shit deal that needed sorting out and I’d forgive Sisu if they can sort it. But as of right now they haven’t and don’t look like either doing so or making it moot with a new ground.

Whether the ACL deal was worth it or not, it did exist and had a value to the club as we sold it for £4m or whatever. I used to half own a shit tip two up two down in foleshill. I now rent a better house but I was still more secure then no matter how shit my house. Right now we seem an awfully long way from any kind of security.

It wasn’t sold at all in isolation it was without value

 

[steve cooper]

We can deny it because there are several teams in this league with much bigger wage bills and other teams have spent too.

He was given the funds to compete

We are over achieving currently

Fair enough if that's right. Do we know what our budget was with any accuracy? But in the context of having to play at St Andrews we seemed to have managed OK, and In that case we seem to have found some magic formula to attract players like Morosi, Allen, Dabo, Godden, McFaz, and the 2 loaned lads, if it wasn't money.

 

[wingy]

I think Robins revealed it himself . Might be in the article about the training ground improvements and Richard Overson.

 

[Colin Steins Smile]

I’ve supported the sky blues since the sixties & Im loving this season. The style of play and culture within the team is fantastic.
I think it’s tricky to compare the performance of different managers over the years.
For instance there are numerous variables that need to be considered on the “value added” for each manager.
JH built not just a team, but along with Derrick Robbins changed the infrastructure and culture of the club.
Noel Cantwell led the team to European football with a top 6 finish in Division 1.
John Sillett got the team to top half in Division 1 & won the FA cup.
Mark Robins has faced some of the most challenging environments a manager has faced and could match JHs achievement of 2 promotions.
However, to make an assessment of which manager was the most successful is IMO too difficult to assess.
What is clear is the all of the managers listed above did something special. PUSB

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Where were we heading if they didnt acquire us?

Almost definitely League 1. We stayed up on GD that season, minus 10 points would’ve seen us go down.