Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (246 Viewers)

[Ring Of Steel]

No I’m saying the rate of climb here is very different due to better containment which has yielded much lower numbers. No one seems to acknowledge that most health experts are fairly consistent that containment is largely impossible and that all that can be done is to manage health services for those who need it and that 90% of those infected will not even be troubled by it. In the end global containment is impossible and people cannot build up immunity without significant infection - no one can answer why school closures is good it’s an horrendous strategy

Nobody has any idea what the rate of climb is or isn't, you just said yourself that confirmed numbers are irrelevant?

 

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[Johhny Blue]

I've made a decision to stop shaking hands with people. Nothing to do with Corona virus. It's that nobody has bog Rolls

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

I've made a decision to stop shaking hands with people. Nothing to do with Corona virus. It's that nobody has bog Rolls

 

[PVA]

We're following the general trend very closely.

Hong Kong and Singapore put early stringent measures in and surprise surprise they're doing better than anyone else at containing it.

 

[Brylowes]

How many people are at Cheltenham today crammed into Gazebos?

This thing is escalating on a dairy basis ‘hourly even’ if Cheltenham were taking
Place next week it would be cancelled ‘no question.
If anyone had told me at the Ipswich game last Saturday that the league would
Be cancelled I’d have laughed in their face......and yet here we are.

 

[Grendel]

We're following the general trend very closely.

Hong Kong and Singapore put early stringent measures in and surprise surprise they're doing better than anyone else at containing it.

Have you ever been to either of these places?

 

[AStonesThrow]

Stop being sensible. People wont like it

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[Nick]

This thing is escalating on a dairy basis ‘hourly even’ if Cheltenham were taking
Place next week it would be cancelled ‘no question.
If anyone had told me at the Ipswich game last Saturday that the league would
Be cancelled I’d have laughed in their face......and yet here we are.

How much is it the media / social media escalating everything? People fucking fighting over toilet paper because of panic.

 

[David O'Day]

Have you ever been to either of these places?

Is he comparing the actions needed in 2 small city states to the actions needed in the uk?

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[theferret]

How much is it the media / social media escalating everything? People fucking fighting over toilet paper because of panic.

The media have lost the plot. Take a look at this car-crash. Has there been a more alarmist, misleading newspaper headline in the last 10 years?

 

[Nick]

The media have lost the plot. Take a look at this car-crash. Has there been a more alarmist, misleading newspaper headline in the last 10 years?

YES BUT FOOTBALLERS DONT WANT THEIR GRANDPARENTS TO DIE!!!!!!!

Fucking hell, it's no wonder there's so many dickheads running to Tesco thinking the world is ending.

 

[RegTheDonk]

Just a few points for the several posters falling over themselves to try and sound smart by repeating what the government experts said last night or saying the whole thing is hyperbole.

Most of us saw the press conference last night and understand what the plan is so please stop condescendingly explaining it to everyone on the thread.


Look at the bigger picture. No country is following the strategy we are. Our strategy is unorthodox and high risk. They’re all listening to their own experts who are coming to different conclusions. Our plan may prove to be the best course of action in the long term, only time will tell, but even if that’s the case things aren’t that straight forward.

Firstly, the day after the government announced the new phase they’re already losing control as organisations are shutting things down anyway. You might consider that “hyperbole” but almost every other affected country is doing similar things, sports seasons cancelled etc. The league can’t function with teams having to go into self isolation. Delay fixtures for two weeks and you’ll just have other teams in isolation.

Secondly, there is going to be huge political pressure on this strategy. Journalists were already asking awkward questions last night. What do you think the public reaction will be when pensioners are dropping by the hundreds and the government are saying “herd immunity”?

The strategy might have been “war gamed” by a nerd with a PPE degree playing at being a tech entrepreneur but that doesn’t mean it’s going to survive contact with reality.

I actually think the broad idea is smart but it’s going to take balls of steel and the public reaction to it is going to be intense as people start dying in higher numbers.


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Any idea of any the guideance from the EFL towards the clubs themseleves? Are they telling/asking their players to self isolate, hoping they'll all be fit in a couple of weeks? Are they allowing them to train together but take appropriate measures (wash hands etc)?

 

[Mr Panda]

If we look at the positives, Jobello may be available when we play Shrewsbury.

 

[MalcSB]

If that happened the nhs would be in a sticky situation

Well in fairness you can hardly call out own NHS excellent though appreciate that experiences all differ.

what are you comparing the NHS with, systems where access is by credit card only?

 

[Brylowes]

How much is it the media / social media escalating everything? People fucking fighting over toilet paper because of panic.

I honestly don’t know is the answer, for most of us faced with a situation such as this,
We watch and listen and form opinions based on other people’s knowledge ‘but we
Tend to side with the experts whose opinions closely match our preference.

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

I've calmed down a bit now.....you can't beat drinking at work !

GOD is still a c**t tho....

happy Friday folks.

 

[Grendel]

Is he comparing the actions needed in 2 small city states to the actions needed in the uk?

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Incredibly it seems so

 

[David O'Day]

I honestly don’t know is the answer, for most of us faced with a situation such as this,
We watch and listen and form opinions based on other people’s knowledge ‘but we
Tend to side with the experts whose opinions closely match our preference.

But when it ends with folk having a basement full of uht milk that they'll never drink it's a bit much

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[shmmeee]

Elections postponed for a year it seems.

 

[Deleted member 4439]

what are you comparing the NHS with, systems where access is by credit card only?

Well now that you ask I'm in particular comparing in with the lack of palliative care for heart patients in 89% of hospitals. I could provide details of what I have personally witnessed but that is not for this forum.

More generally I wouldn't describe my experience of the NHS as much more than 'meh'.

 

[harvey098]

Trouble is there is only a handful of teams in each league that won’t want the season voided. The teams at the bottom will want it voided and the teams in the middle won’t care. I know for certain the comments on here would be different if we were down the bottom.

 

[Brylowes]

But when it ends with folk having a basement full of uht milk that they'll never drink it's a bit much

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They are brain dead idiots though, you will always have them.
I just can’t help thinking that if the outcome of our season wasn’t so dependent on the action being taken,
More people on here would be in favour of the cancellation of sporting events and the like.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

The thing is if it were voided that would mean all payouts for finishing etc would also be voided too. More of a PL thing where the payment increases/decreases on league position, so they'd be less inclined to want it voided, but the state of finances in the lower leagues if this is the case it would probably shift those mid table lot more towards finishing/resolving the season. Or at least that's my wishful thinking cap opinion.

 

[David O'Day]

They are brain dead idiots though, you will always have them.
I just can’t help thinking that if our season wasn’t so dependent on the action being taken,
More people on here would be in favour of the cancellation of sporting events and the like.

Uht though lasts forever and tastes like it

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[Sky Blue Pete]

We're following the general trend very closely.

Hong Kong and Singapore put early stringent measures in and surprise surprise they're doing better than anyone else at containing it.

You can’t say that until you know everything including whether the virus hits again. What we gonna do? Stop travel forever?

 

[christonabike]

 

[duffer]

What's your level of expertise to discount the theories of the medical experts at phe

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As previous, look at all of the contradictory viewpoints, also from respected scientists. This, “you’re not an expert so shouldn’t comment” is a patently farcical argument when there are so many other theories from equally respected scientists, on offer.

Of course, if you’re coming at it from a position of thinking that it’s either trivial, and/or are a bit upset that we’re going to miss some footy, then obviously you’ll accept the outlier position put forward by this government without further analysis.

That’s entirely your choice, but don’t kid yourself that there’s only one rational science-based position to take here, because that’s simply not true.

 

[Grendel]

Trouble is there is only a handful of teams in each league that won’t want the season voided. The teams at the bottom will want it voided and the teams in the middle won’t care. I know for certain the comments on here would be different if we were down the bottom.

13 teams in the championship are within two wins of potential promotion

 

[duffer]

Whats amazing is you are actually suggesting blocking NHS beds and cannot see why

There’s absolutely no logic to this statement, no one is suggesting blocking beds. You’re doing exactly what you’re accusing others of here, letting emotions trump rationality and employing hyperbole rather than logic.

 

[lordsummerisle]

Even Tories are realising what they elected..

"A councillor in an English village where one of the first UK cases of coronavirus was confirmed has described the government’s strategy of tackling the disease as “a crime against our country”.

Samantha Flower, who is a member of the Conservative party and a social care manager for Sheffield City council, said: “I’m very concerned. They [the UK government] are saying they want as many people to get this disease to create a herd immunisation. But it won’t. My suspicion is that they don’t have the money for social care or NHS so that the weak and the old die.

“I’m saying that as a Conservative councillor and I don’t care if I get sacked. You judge a society by how they treat their vulnerable people. You judge leadership by how it treats its most vulnerable people.

“How do we care for them – by saying it would be better for pretty much everyone to get this disease when we know that our loved ones are going to die? It’s not OK.”

Flower is a Conservative councillor on High Peak borough council and represents the Derbyshire village of Burbage, where one of the first known UK cases of Coronavirus was confirmed. Burbage primary school and a nearby medical centre were temporarily closed after a parent tested positive for the virus on 27 February, when just 15 cases had been confirmed in the UK.

She added: “We could follow the World Health Organization’s advice and stop this now but the government’s chosen not to. Our prime minister has just said to us ‘your loved ones are going to die’ and that’s not OK. It’s abhorrent. It’s a crime against our country. We have the measures and capabilities to prevent this.

“I’m not trying to be an alarmist but the World Health Organization has set very comprehensive guidance and we’re not following it.”"

 

[theferret]

Even Tories are realising what they elected..

"A councillor in an English village where one of the first UK cases of coronavirus was confirmed has described the government’s strategy of tackling the disease as “a crime against our country”.

Samantha Flower, who is a member of the Conservative party and a social care manager for Sheffield City council, said: “I’m very concerned. They [the UK government] are saying they want as many people to get this disease to create a herd immunisation. But it won’t. My suspicion is that they don’t have the money for social care or NHS so that the weak and the old die.

“I’m saying that as a Conservative councillor and I don’t care if I get sacked. You judge a society by how they treat their vulnerable people. You judge leadership by how it treats its most vulnerable people.

“How do we care for them – by saying it would be better for pretty much everyone to get this disease when we know that our loved ones are going to die? It’s not OK.”

Flower is a Conservative councillor on High Peak borough council and represents the Derbyshire village of Burbage, where one of the first known UK cases of Coronavirus was confirmed. Burbage primary school and a nearby medical centre were temporarily closed after a parent tested positive for the virus on 27 February, when just 15 cases had been confirmed in the UK.

She added: “We could follow the World Health Organization’s advice and stop this now but the government’s chosen not to. Our prime minister has just said to us ‘your loved ones are going to die’ and that’s not OK. It’s abhorrent. It’s a crime against our country. We have the measures and capabilities to prevent this.

“I’m not trying to be an alarmist but the World Health Organization has set very comprehensive guidance and we’re not following it.”"

Where to start with that. Takes the armchair science punditry on here to a different level. Where was that published, the Beano?

Anyone who thinks that Boris, or anyone in an elected position, is driving this position is delusional.

The policy may be right, it may not be, but if it isn't you have to question the scientific advice.

 

[Broken Hearted Sky Blue]

Well now that you ask I'm in particular comparing in with the lack of palliative care for heart patients in 89% of hospitals. I could provide details of what I have personally witnessed but that is not for this forum.

More generally I wouldn't describe my experience of the NHS as much more than 'meh'.

As an organisation that saved my life my experience of the NHS is its fucking brilliant. What was your experience?

 

[Broken Hearted Sky Blue]

anyway moving along now that football matches have been postponed till April what about rugby? What with conferences etc being cancelled any disruption to rugby games will really affect wasps

 

[Deleted member 4439]

As an organisation that saved my life my experience of the NHS is its fucking brilliant. What was your experience?

Hey, that's great and no rift here - I did say all of our experiences were different and inevitably this informs. My experience is around palliative care, twice over. One wasn't very good, the second bordered on negligence but the family have never been ambulance chasers - not even claimed for ppi! - nor did we want the added stress. It's not the fact that matters, it's what we had to witness as a family in a family member, and which I recall just about every day.

 

[Sick Boy]

Fair enough I respect your opinion, I have the opposite opinion though, as do many many members of my family who live there!

My experience of it has been very good, calling it one of the worst in Europe is ridiculous, in Veneto it is every good as bit as the UK, go into Trentino and it's even better.