Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (185 Viewers)

[Ring Of Steel]

For all the Trump admirers, he’s now trying to buy a German potential vaccine, but “for USA only”.

 

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[Sky Blue Pete]

Where they wud prob start a new season from scrstch

Have to

 

[Flying Fokker]

For all the Trump admirers, he’s now trying to buy a German potential vaccine, but “for USA only”.

Trump is very,very altruistic...

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

My gut says bring in emergency laws to see people not kicked out of homes/gas turned off/etc. Keep schools open but with a clear work from home and keep the kids with you if you can message. Extend opening hours, cancel Ofsteds, offer wraparound that reduces demand on grandparents. Send kids with symptoms home. Cancel mass events. Helicopter in huge sums of money to industries/people effected. Requisition staff/beds from private hospitals and factories to make ventilators. Tax breaks to delivery/grocery companies to offer free delivery of food. Hope something turns up in the next couple of months that makes it more manageable. Isolate the vulnerable as much as possible.

Lockdown is coming. The question now is only how long we wait. Medically I’d do it right away. Economically I’d let the virus rip. The right answer IMO has to be to do everything we can that doesn’t have a dramatic economic effect rather than only doing things that have a dramatic medical effect.

Thank you.

I think economically we isolate those who need isolating and everyone else keeps calm and carries on and that will be different from other countries. Can you stand for election

 

[xcraigx]

France and Spain have announced lockdown with their cases pushing what, 5,000 and 6,000. If we were to maintain a 30% increase daily we would be at those sort of numbers by next Friday / Saturday. 20% and we would be looking at maybe a week Monday / Tuesday. I think lockdown is probably going to be here sooner rather than later.

 

[SkyblueBri]

Looks like this maybe the solution That is the Chilean solution which is a set precedent those in auto places go up nobody is relegated and next season there are more relegation places to reduce the numbers

 

[Grendel]

Thank you.

I think economically we isolate those who need isolating and everyone else keeps calm and carries on and that will be different from other countries. Can you stand for election

The notion governments will provide the sort of financial support required if the economy grinds to a halt is for the birds

 

[Nick]

That makes sense

 

[shmmeee]

The notion governments will provide the sort of financial support required if the economy grinds to a halt is for the birds

I think sadly with the pygmies currently in power in most places compared to 2008 you may well be right.

 

[shmmeee]

That makes sense

It kinda misses the point. No one is disagreeing you need to flatten the curve. The argument is whether we are acting quickly enough and with enough force to flatten it enough.

 

[Grendel]

I think sadly with the pygmies currently in power in most places compared to 2008 you may well be right.

No country will do it - the liberal Mr Macron isn’t and no one will regardless of politics

 

[Deleted member 4439]

That makes sense

I don't understand this. If those being processed safely through the NHS aren't going back to our (green tub) population, where are they going? Are we looking at a Logan's Run type scenario here?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

That’s why lockdown can’t be the answer

 

[Grendel]

That’s why lockdown can’t be the answer

If you take France and one sector - there’s 90,000 catering outlets - if you close them for a period it’s impossible to evaluate a suitable compensation package for each one. The logistics would be horrific and the cost impossible

 

[stupot07]

It kinda misses the point. No one is disagreeing you need to flatten the curve. The argument is whether we are acting quickly enough and with enough force to flatten it enough.

And by flattening the curve, delaying and giving more time to increase the numbers of ventilators, and safety equiptment, the nhs capacity will increase somewhat.

We have just 5k ventilators in the nhs - that's basically what the jar is, as only those critically ill will be admitted.

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[shmmeee]

If you take France and one sector - there’s 90,000 catering outlets - if you close them for a period it’s impossible to evaluate a suitable compensation package for each one. The logistics would be horrific and the cost impossible

The “compensation package” would be job seekers allowance and easy access to finance for a new venture.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Is that right about the children?
So if they need it to get about and you don't get it at big outdoor events it'll spread from the adults mostly in the home?
Conversely the kids won't give it to granny or grandad going home from school .
Out of the cases in China circa 2k cases were children with about 6-7 severe/critical .
According to the WHO they didn't or couldn't find evidence of a wider unreported outbreak beyond the reported cases .
Yet we had a' spokesperson ' who's wheeled out daily that 20% of population may have been infected.over there.

The death rate among teenagers and younger is almost 0% and I don’t believe anyone under 10 has died yet. At my school children with significant underlying conditions have been pulled out by their parents and it is those I would want to be distanced.

 

[Houchens Head]

That makes sense

Just didn't get this at all. About as clear as mud.

 

[CCFCSteve]

The death rate among teenagers and younger is almost 0% and I don’t believe anyone under 10 has died yet. At my school children with significant underlying conditions have been pulled out by their parents and it is those I would want to be distanced.

It’s the one positive in this whole situation.

ps appreciate football is, quite rightly, down the list of priorities for most at the moment but has anyone mentioned the possibility of promoting those in automatics and no relegation (like they’re pretty much suggesting for prem but across all leagues) ? Then increased relegation places for end of next season. Could work as I don’t think there’s any games in hand issues with top spots across all leagues. Obviously this is assuming its not possible to complete season.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

The death rate among teenagers and younger is almost 0% and I don’t believe anyone under 10 has died yet. At my school children with significant underlying conditions have been pulled out by their parents and it is those I would want to be distanced.

The biggest issue with kids as far as I can see is the constant bickering when they’re in the house all day, fuck me this would sap anyone’s sanity

 

[shmmeee]

 

[Ring Of Steel]

The biggest issue with kids as far as I can see is the constant bickering when they’re in the house all day, fuck me this would sap anyone’s sanity

when the ‘lockdown’ comes over there it’s going to be eerie, over here it’s a very strange feeling, you can sense everyone is nervous, nobody about. It does genuinely feel like something out of a movie.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Interesting read but aside from closing schools will have limited effect doesn’t seem to really back up our plan and at one point describes it as “light in detail”.

For what it’s worth I think the plan, as badly communicated as it has been, is probably good. My only issue, as I said after the press conference the other night, is that it’s unorthodox as nobody else is doing if, will come under immense public pressure and won’t survive contact with reality (see football leagues taking their own action). It also will take balls of steel to see through. I think those comments have held up well.


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I think the key point of the article is the emphasis on what individuals do as much as what governments do. The other point regarding banning mass gatherings not having much effect due to the need for prolonged contact for transmission has also been echoed here. I’m not saying we have a perfect plan, and we have definitely communicated it poorly in the last week. But I am on board with the strategy.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

I think the key point of the article is the emphasis on what individuals do as much as what governments do. The other point regarding banning mass gatherings not having much effect due to the need for prolonged contact for transmission has also been echoed here. I’m not saying we have a perfect plan, and we have definitely communicated it poorly in the last week. But I am on board with the strategy.

going by the numbers it seems that it doesn’t matter what you do, this thing is going to spread like wildfire whatever happens.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The biggest issue with kids as far as I can see is the constant bickering when they’re in the house all day, fuck me this would sap anyone’s sanity

Now imagine managing 30 of them for 6 hours

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

going by the numbers it seems that it doesn’t matter what you do, this thing is going to spread like wildfire whatever happens.

This isn’t Ebola, here it is still just killing the very elderly and infirm.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

This isn’t Ebola, here it is still just killing the very elderly and infirm.

I mean catching it

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

It’s the one positive in this whole situation.

ps appreciate football is, quite rightly, down the list of priorities for most at the moment but has anyone mentioned the possibility of promoting those in automatics and no relegation (like they’re pretty much suggesting for prem but across all leagues) ? Then increased relegation places for end of next season. Could work as I don’t think there’s any games in hand issues with top spots across all leagues. Obviously this is assuming its not possible to complete season.

I think behind closed doors games could and should happen. If teams start getting infected en masse then revert to the plan suggested-but I would still relegate teams who are blatantly not going to stay up (looking at Southend and Bolton). The EFL have called this too early.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I mean catching it

Which is why it’s all about pressing the curve

 

[Skybluefaz]

Have we solved it yet?

 

[CCFCSteve]

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Thing is shmmeee as others mention above this is spreading rapidly whatever we or anyone else does. You can possibly slow it or soften the peak but i don’t think it will necessarily change the spread over time. I believe every country is genuinely doing what they think is best to deal with their own situation. Only time will tell what steps have worked, what hasn’t etc etc but this probably won’t be known for months, possibly even longer and even then is very much dependent on things we don’t know yet. For example the time it takes to find a vaccine and/or the long term impact of the disease. If a vaccine was made/discovered next week, the extreme (Chinese style) lock down would be the response that receives the praise, if it takes 12-18 months then the ‘herd immunity’ (don’t like the phrase as it’s more complex than that - softening the peak) theory, probably would.

 

[clint van damme]

when the ‘lockdown’ comes over there it’s going to be eerie, over here it’s a very strange feeling, you can sense everyone is nervous, nobody about. It does genuinely feel like something out of a movie.

My mate lives just outside Dublin and said they're now shutting the pubs where he is.

 

[wingy]

This isn’t Ebola, here it is still just killing the very elderly and infirm.

Back to an earlier post last night BSB you said it seems kids aren't big spreaders of it .
How reliable is that and where's it from.

 

[shmmeee]

 

[CCFCSteve]

My mate lives just outside Dublin and said they're now shutting the pubs where he is.

I know someone who was in Amsterdam yesterday and they said total shut down as well (Wonder if they meant even the sex trade ?!!!). It will happen everywhere at some point, to differing extents

the bigger question is how long will these lock downs last (need to last to have an effect)