Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (208 Viewers)

[Sky Blue Harry H]

Gave my lad a lift to the bus station in Warwick this morning. Only a guesstimate, but thought traffic was only circa 20% of what it normally is.

 

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[David O'Day]

Gave my lad a lift to the bus station in Warwick this morning. Only a guesstimate, but thought traffic was only circa 20% of what it normally is.

There pictures of London stations looking deserted today as well. I'd say its5being taken seriously

 

[Grendel]

There pictures of London stations looking deserted today as well. I'd say its5being taken seriously

Sort of. I drove past the smokehouse yesterday and it looked rammed

 

[David O'Day]

He's made his mind up and is sticking with it, because it completely goes against what he, and others, were arguing so strongly about last week.

No be because the data does not support the conclusion of the graph. The person created has a fixed viewpoint t and has created a graph for confirmation bias

 

[David O'Day]

Sort of. I drove past the smokehouse yesterday and it looked rammed

The one in burton green?

 

[Grendel]

The one in burton green?

Yes

 

[PVA]

No be because the data does not support the conclusion of the graph. The person created has a fixed viewpoint t and has created a graph for confirmation bias

If you read the the twitter thread he explains the graph perfectly well. I'm sorry that it does not fit your agenda.

What do you think the graph should look like then with the data?

 

[Grendel]

If you read the the twitter thread he explains the graph perfectly well. I'm sorry that it does not fit your agenda.

What do you think the graph should look like then with the data?

What do you think the graph tells you?

 

[PVA]

What do you think the graph tells you?

It's explained in the twitter thread.

I'm asking you to tell me what's so wrong with it and what it should show.

 

[djr8369]

I’m saying he’s created a graph with the intention of trying to justify a theory - I said the on this wait until Germany exceeds 10 and it will look like its tending more than Italy which of course it isn’t

also why even reverence the aged population in Italy?

What do you think will be the situation when Germany hits 10 days and when you say “it isn’t” what are you referring to, cases, percentage of population infected, or something else?


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[Brighton Sky Blue]

Forgive me if this is ignorant or stupid, but if some of those teachers at home are just self-isolating as a precaution they're still able to work. Why aren't they being given the task of setting work for self-isolating kids/marking etc? Surely those in the school covering for them have enough to do looking after the kids?

You would be correct to think that but it is being devolved to the staff who are still in.

 

[Grendel]

It's explained in the twitter thread.

I'm asking you to tell me what's so wrong with it and what it should show.

What conclusion do you draw from it?

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Hickorys is amazing

 

[David O'Day]

If you read the the twitter thread he explains the graph perfectly well. I'm sorry that it does not fit your agenda.

What do you think the graph should look like then with the data?

No he doesn't he seeks to justify the misleading conclusions.

For a data journalist it is shocking

 

[David O'Day]

Yes

It's taybarns for people who are impressed by a rack of ribs

 

[Astute]

It's explained in the twitter thread.

I'm asking you to tell me what's so wrong with it and what it should show.

Not to scale. Miles away from being to scale.

Then it compares deaths to those in China. Does anyone believe the news coming out of China?

And then every country is different. Italy has an older population than most.


So forgetting this graph. Are we supposed to go into lockdown before the virus spreads around the UK or is it best to keep going as long as we can? Give people a longer chance to earn money and get prepared?

My wife and younger kids are a fag paper away from being under martial law. The French ignored all requests after a few days. You can't just lock people up in their homes for months and expect them to do as they are told.

OK. So you have it your way. People have been under house arrest for a few months. A million or more jobs have been lost. People are in massive debt. But they are allowed out. How do you stop the virus from spreading again? How could we know that nobody in the world still has it?

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

It's taybarns for people who are impressed by a rack of ribs

Bollocks its really nice, one of the best food places to eat in cov

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

You would be correct to think that but it is being devolved to the staff who are still in.

Seems massively unfair and unworkable. I think it needs to be asked of the head to change this to get those self-isolating to share the workload if they aren't going to/can't shut the school. Otherwise you're going to have the rest of you of with stress and fatigue regardless of the virus. It can't be good for your mental health. I'm thinking some teachers are contemplating saying they need to self-isolate just to get away from the madness.

 

[David O'Day]

Not to scale. Miles away from being to scale.

Then it compares deaths to those in China. Does anyone believe the news coming out of China?

And then every country is different. Italy has an older population than most.

That's a massive Mike drop
So forgetting this graph. Are we supposed to go into lockdown before the virus spreads around the UK or is it best to keep going as long as we can? Give people a longer chance to earn money and get prepared?

My wife and younger kids are a fag paper away from being under martial law. The French ignored all requests after a few days. You can't just lock people up in their homes for months and expect them to do as they are told.

OK. So you have it your way. People have been under house arrest for a few months. A million or more jobs have been lost. People are in massive debt. But they are allowed out. How do you stop the virus from spreading again? How could we know that nobody in the world still has it?

 

[PVA]

What conclusion do you draw from it?

It's quite clear what it shows and I have said so several times in here. It's also explained in the twitter thread.

Tell me what's so wrong with it and tell me what the graph should show.

 

[PVA]

Not to scale. Miles away from being to scale.

Read the twitter thread.

 

[Grendel]

It's quite clear what it shows and I have said so several times in here. It's also explained in the twitter thread.

Tell me what's so wrong with it and tell me what the graph should show.

With respect that suggests you actually haven’t a clue what it’s telling you

You are the one who keeps posting it - why what’s it telling you as an individual

 

[Grendel]

Read the twitter thread.

oh dear

 

[PVA]

With respect that suggests you actually haven’t a clue what it’s telling you

You are the one who keeps posting it - why what’s it telling you as an individual

I'm sorry that you backed the wrong horse and it doesn't suit your agenda, but until you actually answer my questions and tell me what's so wrong with the chart and what you think it should say then I will continue to trust the chart maker himself rather than some random off the Internet.

 

[SkyBlueCharlie9]

I agree. My grandkids go to a normal state school and a fair chunk of their homework is on line, using some portal where they set tasks and completion dates. A lot of it is referencing resources on line, rather than any new input in a classroom. There are already some lessons on there labelled "in case of closure" with a target date of a few months away, ready if they have to close.

I assume this all has to be marked and assessed by teachers using a computer. Perhaps not an option for all schools, but those that have this ability should ensure at home teachers still contribute. I get there would be no face-to-face learning, but the teachers self-isolating would presuably have access to the internet.

My lads secondary school is setting up Microsoft Teams today in case they need to video broadcast lessons from next week. Schools are more prepared than bonkers Boris! Headmaster has openly said schools unlikely to be in next week and worst case scenario he was expecting it to be shut for 3 months!

 

[djr8369]

Not to scale. Miles away from being to scale.

Then it compares deaths to those in China. Does anyone believe the news coming out of China?

And then every country is different. Italy has an older population than most.


So forgetting this graph. Are we supposed to go into lockdown before the virus spreads around the UK or is it best to keep going as long as we can? Give people a longer chance to earn money and get prepared?

My wife and younger kids are a fag paper away from being under martial law. The French ignored all requests after a few days. You can't just lock people up in their homes for months and expect them to do as they are told.

OK. So you have it your way. People have been under house arrest for a few months. A million or more jobs have been lost. People are in massive debt. But they are allowed out. How do you stop the virus from spreading again? How could we know that nobody in the world still has it?

These are the choices governments are having to make. I don’t think they or anyone doesn’t understand these challenges hence the talk of economic stimulus and our government talking about trying to put things off because will people will get bored.

It’s a balancing act between deaths, the economy and disruption.


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[Grendel]

I'm sorry that you backed the wrong horse and it doesn't suit your agenda, but until you actually answer my questions and tell me what's so wrong with the chart and what you think it should say then I will continue to trust the chart maker himself rather than some random off the Internet.

So you are not prepared to say. I’ll try and get it out of you.

If you were in an interview for a data scientist would you say this shows that we will have more deaths than Italy at the stage they are at?

You seem to have just seen a pretty graph and got excited

 

[Nick]

To be fair to Boris I think he has handling it well so far.

 

[djr8369]

So you are not prepared to say. I’ll try and get it out of you.

If you were in an interview for a data scientist would you say this shows that we will have more deaths than Italy at the stage they are at?

You seem to have just seen a pretty graph and got excited

It seems you aren’t prepared to say either.


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[ccfc92]

To be fair to Boris I think he has handling it well so far.

He was always going to be in damned if he does, damned if he doesn't situation.

Like Sunak getting ridiculed for a £330B bail out, but Macron getting arse kissed for €300Bn (£277Bn approx)

 

[Nick]

He was always going to be in damned if he does, damned if he doesn't situation.

Like Sunak getting ridiculed for a £330B bail out, but Macron getting arse kissed for €300Bn (£277Bn approx)

To be frank, it was just an updated version of me saying "Project Fear" to everybody about Brexit.

 

[PVA]

So you are not prepared to say. I’ll try and get it out of you.

If you were in an interview for a data scientist would you say this shows that we will have more deaths than Italy at the stage they are at?

You seem to have just seen a pretty graph and got excited

I have said several times over the past few days.

You haven't. I'm still waiting.

Come on, what's so misleading about the chart? What should it show?

 

[Grendel]

It seems you aren’t prepared to say either.


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How can I answer when I don’t know what you think it is you are seeing? What do you think this graph actually tells you?

 

[djr8369]

I have said several times over the past few days.

You haven't. I'm still waiting.

Come on, what's so misleading about the chart? What should it show?

The problem is they think it’s misleading because it would look totally different on a linear scale (which is acknowledged in the tweet thread) but seemingly don’t understand that what it’s really showing is the gradient of an exponential function in way that doesn’t involve having to explain differentiation.


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[Grendel]

I have said several times over the past few days.

You haven't. I'm still waiting.

Come on, what's so misleading about the chart? What should it show?

No actually you haven’t - it actually shows to me our death rate is much lower than most countries - is that what it shows you?