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GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee

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How are you feeling mate?


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The people saying "It's all a fuss over nothing, it's no different to normal flu" are going quieter by the day.

I don't that many people have been saying that. Rather it's about providing context using mortality and infection rates of past pandemics and seasonal flu. That's been lacking on the media.
 

shmmeee

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I don't that many people have been saying that. Rather it's about providing context using mortality and infection rates of past pandemics and seasonal flu. That's been lacking on the media.

Why do you think the Russian troll farms have also been churning out this “context” if it’s so useful?
 

djr8369

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I don't that many people have been saying that. Rather it's about providing context using mortality and infection rates of past pandemics and seasonal flu. That's been lacking on the media.

I’m not sure that context is particularly helpful. It might sound level headed and smart to say “there are x thousand deaths per year from flu” while negating to mention infection rate, mortality rates, lack of vaccine , lack of immunity or that the current Coronavirus rates are only what they are due to the measures being put in place to slow the spread.


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I’m not sure that context is particularly helpful. It might sound level headed and smart to say “there are x thousand deaths per year from flu” while negating to mention infection rate, mortality rates, lack of vaccine , lack of immunity or that the current Coronavirus rates are only what they are due to the measures being put in place to slow the spread.


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I think if the context were presented that narrowly, I'd agree. It's unfortunate that any serious analysis and discussion of world affairs disappeared from the common media years ago. But do I believe at this time that SARS2 will have a worse outcome than swine flu, which on most accounts has the same mortality rate as SARS2, high inflection rate and no immunity or vaccine? No, I don't necessarily: I think we are still trying to understand the risk and impact.

Nor do I want to be too critical but providing statistics such as SARS2 has a 14% mortality rate (from a limited-base denominator) in the elderly without comparison to the fact that the flu rate mortality itself is nearly 7% only doesn't seem overly helpful.
 
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SkyBlueCRJ

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Italy is still suffering a record number of deaths despite being on lockdown for over two weeks. Lombardy sounds like a warzone.
 

Nick

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Tired mainly. Plus try to simultaneously avoid and look after a 4 year old who’s not at school while my wife works from home. Had enough of it.

Get a blanket, pillow and go an drive somewhere for a sleep in the car!

Its not really ideal when people have families and think they might have it and everybody being crammed into the house :(
 

BornSlippySkyBlue

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Tired mainly. Plus try to simultaneously avoid and look after a 4 year old who’s not at school while my wife works from home. Had enough of it.
This is the bit that worries me more than the damn virus, how the hell I’d look after the kids (without cross-infecting) with zero protective gear (as we were told not to bother) if I or them get ill.

Feels like they want families to self-isolate as a group while the virus ripples through the family before everyone comes out two weeks’ later immune and ready to save the rest of us.
 

Nick

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This is the bit that worries me more than the damn virus, how the hell I’d look after the kids (without cross-infecting) with zero protective gear (as we were told not to bother) if I or them get ill.

Feels like they want families to self-isolate as a group while the virus ripples through the family before everyone comes out two weeks’ later immune and ready to save the rest of us.

The issue with that is testing, how do people know it is fully out of their system in 2 weeks before everybody is allowed out again?

Do people become immune straight away? What happens if we stay in, our family gets it and we all break free in a couple of weeks and it all spreads again?
 

Sky Blue Harry H

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Get a blanket, pillow and go an drive somewhere for a sleep in the car!

Its not really ideal when people have families and think they might have it and everybody being crammed into the house :(

Hopefully better weather comes soon, and people (especially some old folk and kids) can make use of back gardens, outdoor space to stop themselves going stir crazy, as well as giving themselves some physical space.
 

hill83

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Plus I don’t even know if I’ve got it. And what if my wife shows symptoms in 13 days. Locked in again. And then what if she hasn’t got it then? Shambles
 

BornSlippySkyBlue

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The issue with that is testing, how do people know it is fully out of their system in 2 weeks before everybody is allowed out again?

Do people become immune straight away? What happens if we stay in, our family gets it and we all break free in a couple of weeks and it all spreads again?
They don’t know the answers yet though to those questions I don’t think. There’s talk of an imminent test that will show antibodies and therefore whether you’ve previously been infected which would help. Let’s hope it is developed and widely available soon enough for it to be useful.
 

Nick

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Plus I don’t even know if I’ve got it. And what if my wife shows symptoms in 13 days. Locked ins again. And then what if she hasn’t got it then? Shambles

Exactly.

Then what if (hopefully it doesn't happen) your son has it after you and your wife think you have had it. What if he gets a bit of a cough?

There's no way to know without testing every single person. Even then, if somebody tests negative they may catch it the day after.

What worries me is that these people on the TV aren't talking about days or weeks, on TV just now somebody was saying "this time next year we might be through the worst of it".

How does this happen in 2020?
 

BornSlippySkyBlue

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Plus I don’t even know if I’ve got it. And what if my wife shows symptoms in 13 days. Locked ins again. And then what if she hasn’t got it then? Shambles
Could do with some of those drive-through testing stations that some countries are providing. At least you’d know for sure.
 

Sky Blue Harry H

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The issue with that is testing, how do people know it is fully out of their system in 2 weeks before everybody is allowed out again?

Do people become immune straight away? What happens if we stay in, our family gets it and we all break free in a couple of weeks and it all spreads again?

Was chatting with my wife about this. Suppose you have had it and are then 'clear' - if you then revert to a mentality of 'I've had it, so now I'm ok' you could still physically encounter the virus again (on hands etc,) and pass it on to someone who hasn't. Not sure I've got my head fully around when it will have fully been classified as 'over' - await NHS/govt advice I suppose) Apologies if that information is already out there.
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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Briefly from here:

1. We will be open for all of Easter under the same arrangements as the next few weeks.

2. Teachers are likely to be asked to provide grades for GCSE and A level students.

3. Due to the right to appeal being maintained we have been asked to estimate as high a grade as realistically possible.

I can’t describe how I feel at this moment but I have already bollocked students celebrating what is going on.
 

Nick

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Briefly from here:

1. We will be open for all of Easter under the same arrangements as the next few weeks.

2. Teachers are likely to be asked to provide grades for GCSE and A level students.

3. Due to the right to appeal being maintained we have been asked to estimate as high a grade as realistically possible.

I can’t describe how I feel at this moment but I have already bollocked students celebrating what is going on.

I would have loved to have just got my estimated grades with some generosity with no exams and revision.

Will they be paying you overtime for working over Easter too?
 

BornSlippySkyBlue

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Was chatting with my wife about this. Suppose you have had it and are then 'clear' - if you then revert to a mentality of 'I've had it, so now I'm ok' you could still physically encounter the virus again (on hands etc,) and pass it on to someone who hasn't. Not sure I've got my head fully around when it will have fully been classified as 'over' - await NHS/govt advice I suppose) Apologies if that information is already out there.
I think one take out from this whole thing is that we all need to stop being scummy gits and follow the basic personal hygiene protocols we are being shown regardless of whether we think we have it, have had it or are too cool to catch it. Meaning more hand washing, sneezing / coughing as taught etc. And if you think there’s any way you could still be infectious avoid high-risk environments (schools, care homes, hospital etc).

No guarantees, but common sense to help reduce further spread.
 

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