Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (242 Viewers)

[David O'Day]

This is what annoys me the most. Just comes across as total laziness and disregard for the situation.

Saying he doesn't want to answer many questions 'because we've done 4 or 5 of these' (we haven't, we've done 3) and then asking the journalists if we even need to do them. I mean FFS, you're the Prime Minister and you're suggesting you don't need to address the public during a global health crisis. Do your fucking job.

Oh and calling an emergency COBRA meeting… for 3 days time so that it disn't spoil his weekend.

I think the problem is he's dreamed of becoming PM his whole life, it's been his life long ambition to emulate his hero Churchill and lead the country. Finally he gets the chance, and even better he gets the chance to 'get Brexit done' and make a name for himself, which is what it's all about for him. Maybe get a bridge named after him or something.

But not this. This is not what he signed up for. Now he's completely in the shit, doesn't know what to do, and is being exposed as a total fraud.

He did seem to think all he had to was get a brexit vote passed parliament and he could sake off into the history books.

He's just not got what takes and sadly neither do most of his cabinet. The chancellor make be well spoken but he's a former banker who appears to not grasp that the demand side of the economy is as if not more important than propping up business, what good is a business if once this us all over no one has any money to spend.

 

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[djr8369]

He did seem to think all he had to was get a brexit vote passed parliament and he could sake off into the history books.

He's just not got what takes and sadly neither do most of his cabinet. The chancellor make be well spoken but he's a former banker who appears to not grasp that the demand side of the economy is as if not more important than propping up business, what good is a business if once this us all over no one has any money to spend.

Yeah this really isn’t the gig Johnson signed up for. If it wasn’t an on-going disaster it would be funny to watch. Last nights press conference was a joke. At least up until then he’d been trying.


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[clint van damme]

Yeah this really isn’t the gig Johnson signed up for. If it wasn’t an on-going disaster it would be funny to watch. Last nights press conference was a joke. At least up until then he’d been trying.


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what I don't understand is why he thinks we can get on top of this in 12 weeks?
It took China that and they were far more proactive and draconian that we have been so far.

 

[PVA]

Yeah this really isn’t the gig Johnson signed up for. If it wasn’t an on-going disaster it would be funny to watch. Last nights press conference was a joke. At least up until then he’d been trying.


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And then people have the cheek to say 'Give Boris a break, get off his back'

What about the doctors and nurses, or the care workers, delivery drivers and everyone else who will continue to work through this pandemic. They're the people that deserve some slack, not Boris after doing a 15 minute press conference and then basically saying he's had enough of them.

 

[PVA]

what I don't understand is why he thinks we can get on top of this in 12 weeks?
It took China that and they were far more proactive and draconian that we have been so far.

Whitty and Vallance immediately distanced themselves from that claim and clearly wanted absolutely nothing to do with it. He must have either made it up on the spot or certainly didn't run it past them beforehand.

 

[Magwitch]

In time this will become very political Boris and pals belatedly realised this a few days ago and suddenly, thankfully changed course and threw billions at it and billions more today. But their cover is blown when this issue eases the fall out will go on for years. Ten years of Tory cut backs and austerity, neglect of the NHS will haunt this Government for years. The “key” workers of today will be the power of tomorrow more than anything Corbyn and crew dreamt of.
Many if not most of today’s key workers are amongst the lowest paid in our society some not having rises in pay for years, poor employment rights, no social housing, high rents, including many MP landlords, all this is going to be a huge albatross around our governments neck. It won’t take much to organise these key workers into a massively powerful group.

 

[David O'Day]

what I don't understand is why he thinks we can get on top of this in 12 weeks?
It took China that and they were far more proactive and draconian that we have been so far.

From listening to the experts clarify that in think 12 weeks when they hope that new cases will go down. New cars are about to start shooting up though as they are about start running many more tests and have a new test that is quicker

 

[djr8369]

what I don't understand is why he thinks we can get on top of this in 12 weeks?
It took China that and they were far more proactive and draconian that we have been so far.

I’m guessing that’s best case scenario on relaxing some of the social distancing measures? Who knows.

Maybe we just need to believe in ourselves more? “Let’s get Coronavirus gone” that should do it.


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[jordan210]

The lack of information being sent to schools is awful. Its not like the government it a few people. there are 1000's of staff that could be getting the right information out.

On the one hand everyone is being told to social distance and kids can carry corona. Yet on the other hand they are sending children of front line staff. (who have someone working from home who could look after said children) in to school spreading this back around.

Teachers appear to be forgotten about and being put at risk.

 

[PVA]

Maybe we just need to believe in ourselves more? “Let’s get Coronavirus gone” that should do it.

I don't know if it's what you are referring to, or if that was just meant to be satire - but he genuinely did say that last night.

Just unbelievable.

 

[djr8369]

In time this will become very political Boris and pals belatedly realised this a few days ago and suddenly, thankfully changed course and threw billions at it and billions more today. But their cover is blown when this issue eases the fall out will go on for years. Ten years of Tory cut backs and austerity, neglect of the NHS will haunt this Government for years. The “key” workers of today will be the power of tomorrow more than anything Corbyn and crew dreamt of.
Many if not most of today’s key workers are amongst the lowest paid in our society some not having rises in pay for years, poor employment rights, no social housing, high rents, including many MP landlords, all this is going to be a huge albatross around our governments neck. It won’t take much to organise these key workers into a massively powerful group.

The papers will tell us we need to tighten the purse strings after all this spending, make it analogous to a household budget, and we’ll sign up for another 10 years.


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[SkyBlueCRJ]

what I don't understand is why he thinks we can get on top of this in 12 weeks?
It took China that and they were far more proactive and draconian that we have been so far.

Realistically he's stated that to buy time and reduce panic. When pressed on how he thought the country would be able to get on top of it by a journalist in such a relatively short time period he deflected the question completely, reiterated soundbites and then just tried to shove it off to Vallance.

As I keep reiterating do we know that China has got on top of it? At the minute they're in a PR war with the entire globe and their propaganda machine is currently at its peak. I really wouldn't use them as a case study at the minute unless an independent source confirms the numbers that are reported.

 

[djr8369]

I don't know if it's what you are referring to, or if that was just meant to be satire - but he genuinely did say that last night.

Just unbelievable.

Oh. No I was joking. Was at work and only heard half of it.


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[shmmeee]

Who reckons Boris hasn’t read the Imperial paper? Anyone who has wouldn’t be able to say it’ll all be over in 12 weeks.

 

[clint van damme]

Realistically he's stated that to buy time and reduce panic. When pressed on how he thought the country would be able to get on top of it by a journalist in such a relatively short time period he deflected the question completely, reiterated soundbites and then just tried to shove it off to Vallance.

As I keep reiterating do we know that China has got on top of it? At the minute they're in a PR war with the entire globe and their propaganda machine is currently at its peak. I really wouldn't use them as a case study at the minute unless an independent source confirms the numbers that are reported.

well according to the WHO they have.
If they haven't that's even more worrying because I think it's widely accepted they used fairy draconian distancing measures so if they haven't worked then surely we're fucked as we don't seem to be taking that anywhere near as seriously?

 

[PVA]

Oh. No I was joking. Was at work and only heard half of it.


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I think he let his guard down and slipped into election campaign mode and said "we can get this thing (Covid19) done".

 

[PVA]

Who reckons Boris hasn’t read the Imperial paper? Anyone who has wouldn’t be able to say it’ll all be over in 12 weeks.

Yep, he was asked what 'turning the tide' actually means and couldn't answer, then admitted government measures haven't had any impact yet and has no idea how long it will take.

So I think he just plucked the 12 weeks line out of thin air.

In front of the entire country.

 

[Liquid Gold]

I wonder if in 10 years time people will be saying ‘you can’t trust the Conservatives with the economy’ because they’re about to be in power during a global recession.

Part of me thinks if they don’t intend on taxing billionaires they’ll be alright for some reason.

 

[PVA]

Oh and he says we can 'send it packing in 12 weeks' but he is about to pass emergency powers that will last 2 years.

Go figure.

 

[clint van damme]

Yep, he was asked what 'turning the tide' actually means and couldn't answer, then admitted government measures haven't had any impact yet and has no idea how long it will take.

So I think he just plucked the 12 weeks line out of thin air.

In front of the entire country.

it was the medical equivalent of his inaugural speech as tory leader. Full of big bold statements backed with no substance.
He's going to have to up his game. To be fair this is a huge challenge and I don't think it's possible to protect both human life and the economy but at the moment the only people he appears to be helping are the insurance companies.

 

[shmmeee]

How long have Italy been in lockdown?

First example with a liberal democracy and reliable data. They should give us some idea of how long it’ll take to peak it here.

 

[tisza]

Who reckons Boris hasn’t read the Imperial paper? Anyone who has wouldn’t be able to say it’ll all be over in 12 weeks.

Isn't that part of the problem? Same people at Imperial have been advising since the beginning but have backtracked themselves on methodology and best courses of action?

 

[David O'Day]

Yep, he was asked what 'turning the tide' actually means and couldn't answer, then admitted government measures haven't had any impact yet and has no idea how long it will take.

So I think he just plucked the 12 weeks line out of thin air.

In front of the entire country.

The CMO and CSA also both refer to 12 weeks. They say this when they expect the number of new cases to start to drop.

 

[shmmeee]

Isn't that part of the problem? Same people at Imperial have been advising since the beginning but have backtracked themselves on methodology and best courses of action?

There’s not just one set of advisors. TBH unless you’ve got better data the paper lines up with what most countries are thinking now so I’m happy to take it.

Bigger point than whether it’s right or not is it’s what our strategy is so Boris should know the plan isn’t to get it done in 12 weeks.

 

[shmmeee]

Some people need to take a look at themselves on this thread, constantly slagging the government/Boris off when nobody on the planet could have predicted we'd have to deal with this crisis.... get behind the country you pricks instead of trying to score pathetic points

 

[PVA]

Some people need to take a look at themselves on this thread, constantly slagging the government/Boris off when nobody on the planet could have predicted we'd have to deal with this crisis.... get behind the country you pricks instead of trying to score pathetic points

Here is! Is your Boris poster on your wall or your bedroom ceiling?

It's not a case of us not getting behind the country, we all are. We'd just like a leader with a bit of backbone, who doesn't get bored and fed up with addressing the country during a global pandemic after just 3 15min press conferences.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Here is! Is your Boris poster on your wall or your bedroom ceiling?

It's not a case of us not getting behind the country, we all are. We'd just like a leader with a bit of backbone, who doesn't get bored and fed up with addressing the country during a global pandemic after just 3 15min press conferences.

What are you waffling on about, every single day he addresses the nation and answers all the questions and updates us? What else is he meant to fucking say

 

[shmmeee]

 

[clint van damme]

Some people need to take a look at themselves on this thread, constantly slagging the government/Boris off when nobody on the planet could have predicted we'd have to deal with this crisis.... get behind the country you pricks instead of trying to score pathetic points

you're an absolute idiot mate. We can't get out of this one using positive thinking.
What does get behind the country even mean? We should be stepping up social distancing but Boris hasn't shut the pubs so I'm going to cheer on every group of lads posting photos of themselves from inside Whetherspoons?
What the fuck are you on about?

 

[SkyBlueCRJ]

well according to the WHO they have.
If they haven't that's even more worrying because I think it's widely accepted they used fairy draconian distancing measures so if they haven't worked then surely we're fucked as we don't seem to be taking that anywhere near as seriously?

I haven't found or read anything that suggests the WHO have confirmed it. All the reports of no new cases are coming directly out of China which is why I'm not believing a word of it until an independent source such as the WHO confirms it themselves.

To what extent are the draconian measures being enforced though? Just under 100 million migrant workers have still been working through the lockdown in order to keep their manufacturing arm functioning at some sort of capacity - and realistically many of their factories won't be a leading example of implementing health and safety - so I just can't see how they aren't reporting anymore cases as that's a huge number of people working together in close quarters.

 

[clint van damme]

What are you waffling on about, every single day he addresses the nation and answers all the questions and updates us? What else is he meant to fucking say

he really doesn't. He's distracted, waffles, and has failed to take bold decisions.
Surely even you can see that?

 

[BornSlippySkyBlue]

Some people need to take a look at themselves on this thread, constantly slagging the government/Boris off when nobody on the planet could have predicted we'd have to deal with this crisis.... get behind the country you pricks instead of trying to score pathetic points, we all need to be together to beat this

Where to start. Lots of people have been predicting exactly this for years, so there’s that. Nobody is blaming him for the virus, it’s the response he’s in charge of and lots of people think he’s making a bit of a hash of it. It really is a political thing Dom, and not agreeing with the Prime Minister is not the same thing as ‘not getting behind the country’. Stop repeating Brexit soundbites, this is different. Believing in the NHS won’t suddenly magic up extra capacity.

If you think Johnson is ‘in this together’ with you then you are sorely mistaken. Do you think he or Rees-moog will be at the back of the queue for ventilators?

 

[shmmeee]

What are you waffling on about, every single day he addresses the nation and answers all the questions and updates us? What else is he meant to fucking say

How about “I’m closing pubs and restaurants” or “here are the answers to the hundred questions I left you with yesterday” or “here’s how half the country is going to live for the next few months” or “I’m a serious statesman who is reassuring the nation while also imparting the severity of the situation and not a chucklefuck lightweight Have I Got News For You guest”?

The Republican Party are proposing UBI in the States. The Republican Party! What have we got? “Get down the job centre”. It’s wholly inappropriate. That’s why he’s getting criticism.

 

[PVA]

What are you waffling on about, every single day he addresses the nation and answers all the questions and updates us? What else is he meant to fucking say

I'm saying that he's done it for three days and already he's bored of them because he's a lazy prick who would rather be getting Brexit done and sipping champagne with his pals. He'll probably send Sunak out tonight so he can go the pub.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

he really doesn't. He's distracted, waffles, and has failed to take bold decisions.
Surely even you can see that?

Would anybody else do better though? No leader in the world could have predicted this happening he's following the best scientific advice