Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (154 Viewers)

[Ring Of Steel]

"The irony of us clapping NHS workers on the frontline and not giving them the protection to their their jobs properly is a scandal, and was preventable". Some scathing words from Richard Horton, Editor of the Lancet.

While flag waving gimps were pushing for Big Ben to bong on January 31st, we should have been preparing for the crises in the NHS that have been threatening to erupt and indeed now have emerged. Shows just where the priorities lay, and how thick most people are.

the government specialise in this- giving people attaboys and compliments, paying glowing tribute to them, but doing fuck all to assist them. This is a great post.

 

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[coop]

Does anyone know why Boris is still allowing flights into the country from some of the worst effected places around the world ?

Yes he is and it is fucking madness.

 

[stupot07]

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[djr8369]

New York for one

FFS


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[Ring Of Steel]

Ironically, the tightening of ir35 has been put on hold due to covid. I appreciate that swathes of those working in the gig economy are simply exploited workers; but many others are very well renumerated non-payroll employees who have been happy not to take the protections and fringe benefits afforded to payroll workers, in exchange for salaries that typically equate to 2.5-3 times payroll, in part inflated by only paying 20 per cent tax on 'paye' and divis. I work alongside self-employed folk who typically pick up between 450 and 750 per day working in the public sector.

you make some very good points. I know self employed who make a decent living and play everything ‘by the book’. At the other end of things I also know self employed who are basically parasites, they are to all intents and purposes employees with all benefits, but charge something like £750 per day and enjoy lower tax.

I am also glad that the IR35 review was put back, because I was facing a nightmare at work unraveling various “arrangements” in place with certain workers.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

People at work now getting hospitalised and still we’re staying open to try and keep some projects on target.


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me too. I’m working now still.

 

[COVKIDSNEVERQUIT]

I am all for the applause, but the pictures on the TV are showing thousands of people on the street, all very close together.

If everyone kept 2 meters apart that would help the NHS workers.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

I think I speak on behalf of nearly everyone when I say that your son's a hero along with all other healthcare professionals. Unfortunately these false promises by the government every other day will continue to be met with a retweet/share from those who voted for them, without realising that barely any of these pledges have been achieved.

The obsession on the part of governmentalists that we can't challenge previous actions, nor suggest in a constructive manner how things can/should be done differently, is worrying. How do we learn from past mistakes if we don't own up to them? That's a shocking level of arrogance that no doubt the flag wavers will be quick to defend - indeed they're willing to give up their own wellbeing for it.

Agree with everything you say. We all know who they are, they’re quiet now because they know the NHS position is indefensible, and anyway their only stock answer seems to be “yeah but it’s even worse in other countries” as if we should all be really grateful for what is going on here.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Agree with everything you say. We all know who they are, they’re quiet now because they know the NHS position is indefensible, and anyway their only stock answer seems to be “yeah but it’s even worse in other countries” as if we should all be really grateful for what is going on here.

But the thing is, how is anybody even surprised? This government don’t give a shit about the NHS, they don’t care- they need to pretend they do now because of this huge crisis, but their actions betray the disgusting attitude they have to them.

Seen Cummings on video saying they don’t care about the NHS? Remember the story below? This is what this government really thinks of the health services. For fucks sake- they even prioritised ‘getting brexit done’ over procuring ventilators for critically ill patients. Doesn’t that tell you all you need to know?

Theresa May prompts anger after telling nurse who hasn't had pay rise for eight years: 'There's no magic money tree'

 

[Walsgrave]

But the thing is, how is anybody even surprised? This government don’t give a shit about the NHS, they don’t care- they need to pretend they do now because of this huge crisis, but their actions betray the disgusting attitude they have to them.

Seen Cummings on video saying they don’t care about the NHS? Remember the story below? This is what this government really thinks of the health services. For fucks sake- they even prioritised ‘getting brexit done’ over procuring ventilators for critically ill patients. Doesn’t that tell you all you need to know?

Theresa May prompts anger after telling nurse who hasn't had pay rise for eight years: 'There's no magic money tree'

But they're happy to give £2.5k a month in the meantime to their friends in banking and insurance for being scroungers

 

[Ring Of Steel]

But they're happy to give £2.5k a month in the meantime to their friends in banking and insurance for being scroungers

Want a loan to cover you while the coronavirus crisis is ongoing? No problemo mate, here’s my mate’s card, he works in a bank we know. He’ll sort you out- all he’lI need from you is 22% interest and for you to sign over your personal property to them.

 

[fernandopartridge]

People at work now getting hospitalised and still we’re staying open to try and keep some projects on target.


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Surely any contract you're in for a project will have a force majeure provision so you can claim relief?

 

[Ring Of Steel]

In amongst the sadness and tragic events, it’s almost as if some higher force was at work enacting seismic change in the world.

Hard capitalist governments are being forced to roll out enormously socialist policies. Environmental damage has slowed due to lockdown. The air is cleaner, and wildlife is benefiting. Previously undervalued working people such as those in healthcare & retail finally have something approaching the respect they richly deserve. People are spending more time at home and with family as opposed to behind a desk all day every day with ‘colleagues’.

And now Mexico are building a wall to keep the Americans out. In fact I’ll rephrase that, it’s not fair. It’s to keep the Trump-ists out

Why did it have to be a lethal worldwide pandemic that brought these things about?

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Surely any contract you're in for a project will have a force majeure provision so you can claim relief?

I can tell you from bitter experience that insurance companies are already nitpicking about whether “global pandemic” is specifically covered in policies.

 

[Walsgrave]

In amongst the sadness and tragic events, it’s almost as if some higher force was at work enacting seismic change in the world.

Hard capitalist governments are being forced to roll out enormously socialist policies. Environmental damage has slowed due to lockdown. The air is cleaner, and wildlife is benefiting. Previously undervalued working people such as those in healthcare & retail finally have something approaching the respect they richly deserve. People are spending more time at home and with family as opposed to behind a desk all day every day with ‘colleagues’.

And now Mexico are building a wall to keep the Americans out.


Why did it have to be a lethal worldwide pandemic that brought these things about?

Balance of power. Capitalism is an excellent system to distribute wealth when times are good. After all, few could argue that the creation of jobs to sustain livelihoods is a bad thing. While this is going on though, there's a complete imbalance of power. Yes, when times are good, employment is high, people will continue to elect those who created the conditions in which these circumstances prevailed. But little do they know that the rich benefit so much more, so the vulnerable continue to bootlick politicans on the proviso that 'things are going well'.

Then comes the point where the politicans get carried away. They think they can streamline public services to line their own coffers a bit more, to give their friends a tax break. Great - it goes unnoticed when the NHS isn't under pressure. But it leaves an awful amount to be accounted for when things do go wrong.

And now we have it. There's been a reversal in the imbalance of power in relative terms. More people, at least I hope, are waking up to the idea that the governmentalists have played us into thinking that they were on our side all along. And now some backtracking needs to be done.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Balance of power. Capitalism is an excellent system to distribute wealth when times are good. After all, few could argue that the creation of jobs to sustain livelihoods is a bad thing. While this is going on though, there's a complete imbalance of power. Yes, when times are good, employment is high, people will continue to elect those who created the conditions in which these circumstances prevailed. But little do they know that the rich benefit so much more, so the vulnerable continue to bootlick politicans on the proviso that 'things are going well'.

Then comes the point where the politicans get carried away. They think they can streamline public services to line their own coffers a bit more, to give their friends a tax break. Great - it goes unnoticed when the NHS isn't under pressure. But it leaves an awful amount to be accounted for when things do go wrong.

And now we have it. There's been a reversal in the imbalance of power in relative terms. More people, at least I hope, are waking up to the idea that the governmentalists have played us into thinking that they were on our side all along. And now some backtracking needs to be done.

You’re right. For a start I hope that everyone who believed it when they were told “there is no magic money tree” clearly see that was a lie. In fact I hope that when this is all under control, everyone remembers the lessons that have been learned, & sees the myths and lies that were used to control them for what they were.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

You’re right. For a start I hope that everyone who believed it when they were told “there is no magic money tree” clearly see that was a lie. In fact I hope that when this is all under control, everyone remembers the lessons that have been learned, & sees the myths and lies that were used to control them for what they were.

They said there was no way of funding the £1.5 billion needed to give teachers an in-line with inflation pay rise. Then they gave it to the DUP

 

[Ring Of Steel]

They said there was no way of funding the £1.5 billion needed to give teachers an in-line with inflation pay rise. Then they gave it to the DUP

I could get passionate about this and I want to watch The Mandalorian . But if I could wish for anything aside from every single person surviving and this horrible sickness being obliterated, it would be that our society and every society on the planet wakes the fuck up to how we & they are conducting ourselves, and how we are treated by those who claim to do what’s best for us. The evidence is all around us- it is most definitely not what’s best for us.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Wtf is wrong with China, Recommending bear bile to treat coronavirus? Fucking disgusting

 

[covmark]

View attachment 14589 In amongst the sadness and tragic events, it’s almost as if some higher force was at work enacting seismic change in the world.

Hard capitalist governments are being forced to roll out enormously socialist policies. Environmental damage has slowed due to lockdown. The air is cleaner, and wildlife is benefiting. Previously undervalued working people such as those in healthcare & retail finally have something approaching the respect they richly deserve. People are spending more time at home and with family as opposed to behind a desk all day every day with ‘colleagues’.

And now Mexico are building a wall to keep the Americans out. In fact I’ll rephrase that, it’s not fair. It’s to keep the Trump-ists out

Why did it have to be a lethal worldwide pandemic that brought these things about?

A brilliant post, that has genuinely made me smile. If I could like it twice, i would mate

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[Ring Of Steel]

Wtf is wrong with China, Recommending bear bile to treat coronavirus? Fucking disgusting tbh

Evening, Dom. What are your thoughts on the situation on how several major world equilibriums are going through a kind of pole shift, with the right turning left, and the environment flourishing while humans have been forced to leave things well alone? Or are you more focussed on the articles like this and a general lack of knowledge about anything except for how dirty the Chinese are?

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Evening, Dom. What are your thoughts on the situation on how several major world equilibriums are going through a kind of pole shift, with the right turning left, and the environment flourishing while humans have been forced to leave things well alone? Or are you more focussed on the articles like this and a general lack of knowledge about anything except for how dirty the Chinese are?

Hardly saying they are dirty is it you twat, do you agree with bear bile injections then yeah? Sicko

 

[Ring Of Steel]

A brilliant post, that has genuinely made me smile. If I could like it twice, i would mate

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I am humbled, thanks.

This whole thing is shit, but if we look around us there are signs that it doesn’t have to be this way. Got to make sure we end up in a better place and learn from it, I know it’s a long shot but the entire human race has never had a better chance to ‘reboot’. It’s time to change.

 

[covmark]

I am humbled, thanks.

This whole thing is shit, but if we look around us there are signs that it doesn’t have to be this way. Got to make sure we end up in a better place and learn from it, I know it’s a long shot but the entire human race has never had a better chance to ‘reboot’. It’s time to change.

Couldn't agree more.

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[skybluetony176]

The obsession on the part of governmentalists that we can't challenge previous actions, nor suggest in a constructive manner how things can/should be done differently, is worrying. How do we learn from past mistakes if we don't own up to them? That's a shocking level of arrogance that no doubt the flag wavers will be quick to defend - indeed they're willing to give up their own wellbeing for it.

I’ve heard this a few times now that the government are beyond reproach and it’s bollocks. There’s even a cast iron example of why it’s bollocks, South Korea. South Korea’s government was forced to take a long hard look at itself and ask some searching questions after SARS and came up with a plan and investment in infrastructure and equipment just in case something like that happened again. Guess what, it happened again. It hit South Korea at the same time it hit Italy and initially South Korea’s curve was steeper, however South Korea had a plan of test test test, identifying those who have it, isolate them, treat them with the equipment they invested in and the results in comparison to Italy are significant. South Korea has only had a hundred and forty odd deaths whereas Italy has past 8000, South Korea has also barely had a lockdown. They’re the example and the example includes questioning the actions of the government.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

New York deaths have gone up, at 385 now

 

[Walsgrave]

I’ve heard this a few times now that the government are beyond reproach and it’s bollocks. There’s even a cast iron example of why it’s bollocks, South Korea. South Korea’s government was forced to take a long hard look at itself and ask some searching questions after SARS and came up with a plan and investment in infrastructure and equipment just in case something like that happened again. Guess what, it happened again. It hit South Korea at the same time it hit Italy and initially South Korea’s curve was steeper, however South Korea had a plan of test test test, identifying those who have it, isolate them, treat them with the equipment they invested in and the results in comparison to Italy are significant. South Korea has only had a hundred and forty odd deaths whereas Italy has past 8000, South Korea has also barely had a lockdown. They’re the example and the example includes questioning the actions of the government.

Definitely. There's a difference between getting behind measures to help (I'm behind all of them) and unquestionable support to the extent that those in power go unchallenged. And lack of competition is a dangerous thing. Tories like to bang on about how competition and the market can achieve an efficient outcome. They also apply that to public services - schools, the NHS etc. But funnily enough, they won't apply it to their own thinking and policies - such policies are considered to be out of discussion. Fair enough that Labour were woeful and could not garner enough support to mount any kind of credible opposition for now. But worryingly, I fear that the majority still fall into the groupthink category of unquestionably getting behind government actions - we've seen it in both the UK and the US since probably around 2010, and I'm not convinced that this lack of critical thinking is going to stop any time soon.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Hardly saying they are dirty is it you twat, do you agree with bear bile injections then yeah? Sicko

Well actually in previous clinical trials, because the S Protein is so important, and it’s something humans struggle with, tests have already been carried out using things such as chimeral proteins from monkeys, mice and rabbits. This goes back to 2003 in the previous respiratory syndrome outbreak in Asia. The logic is that because the illness is originally from animals, and animals have a level of immunity that humans don’t have (derived from their S protein receptors which stop the SARS cells from binding to host cells, but we don’t have anything like it)- then if you can introduce S protein into humans then they could also develop that immunity, or something approaching it.

So it’s based on science. I don’t know about the picture and clearly I have no desire to see bears harmed, but just thought I might educate you a small bit so that you can understand the thinking behind the click bait.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

New York deaths have gone up, at 385 now

Their hospitals aren't going to hold out for much longer. Meanwhile Trump is going on about a return to work in 2 weeks

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Their hospitals aren't going to hold out for much longer. Meanwhile Trump is going on about a return to work in 2 weeks

It’s scary to think what might happen in the USA, prayers to them.....

They seem to be doing a massive amount of testing now

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

What also seems clear from the American 'bailout' about to go through the Senate is that corporations will have access to approximately $4.5 trillion to be handed out by Steve Mnuchin, with hardly any constraints or conditions attached.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

It’s scary to think what might happen in the USA, prayers to them

A lot of them pray anyway and it hasn’t got them very far has it. I would suggest that we look at the disgusting way their “leaders” are carrying on to see where fault lies before asking people to waste their breath looking for divine intervention.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

It’s scary to think what might happen in the USA, prayers to them.....

They seem to be doing a massive amount of testing now

They don't need prayers they need a single payer healthcare system. Sadly right wingers over there insist their approach is better

 

[fernandopartridge]

Definitely. There's a difference between getting behind measures to help (I'm behind all of them) and unquestionable support to the extent that those in power go unchallenged. And lack of competition is a dangerous thing. Tories like to bang on about how competition and the market can achieve an efficient outcome. They also apply that to public services - schools, the NHS etc. But funnily enough, they won't apply it to their own thinking and policies - such policies are considered to be out of discussion. Fair enough that Labour were woeful and could not garner enough support to mount any kind of credible opposition for now. But worryingly, I fear that the majority still fall into the groupthink category of unquestionably getting behind government actions - we've seen it in both the UK and the US since probably around 2010, and I'm not convinced that this lack of critical thinking is going to stop any time soon.

Yes, people think Boris is doing a good job because they can't think beyond the superficial. Oh Boris looks tired so he's working very hard.
There has been a prolonged conditioning of the public that somehow spending on public services is money they'd otherwise have in their pockets, despite real terms income being no better than it was 10 years ago.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Another juicy revelation from the USA is that they are offering a one off $1200 payment to everyone who filed taxes last year. Most low income earners don't do that so they won't get anything.

That country is disgusting