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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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Ring Of Steel said:
The whole world will have to learn to be able to go full lockdown almost overnight from now on. First case was when- Dec 28th I think, we are so interconnected that’s it took the bones of 3 months to close countries off- being interconnected is a wonderful thing but from now on in the mechanism is going to have to be there to shut everything instantly, going from 3 mths to say 1 week saves thousands of lives. Clearly health systems around the world will also have to adapt- I’m not sure this will “never go away” but the world is going to have to change to deal with it, because it will happen again.
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You're probably right but there is a danger with that.

Shutting down in that short time frame means having to increasingly become self-sufficient in terms of food/power etc. While I've no issue with that on the whole it does give an 'in' to increasingly rampant nationalism, fear of foreigners and potential for an increase in the far-right.

Plus if everyone 'owns' bits of everyone else's economies via trade agreements etc the chance for conflict is reduced because people would be harming their own interests. Safest house on a street is the one the burglar lives in. If we start bringing more stuff in house then that deterrent for others is reduced. That is absolutely worst case scenario but it needs consideration.
 
TomRad85

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This one is for you David
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Ring Of Steel

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
You're probably right but there is a danger with that.

Shutting down in that short time frame means having to increasingly become self-sufficient in terms of food/power etc. While I've no issue with that on the whole it does give an 'in' to increasingly rampant nationalism, fear of foreigners and potential for an increase in the far-right.

Plus if everyone 'owns' bits of everyone else's economies via trade agreements etc the chance for conflict is reduced because people would be harming their own interests. Safest house on a street is the one the burglar lives in. If we start bringing more stuff in house then that deterrent for others is reduced. That is absolutely worst case scenario but it needs consideration.
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self sufficiency is an interesting one- was thinking about this. ‘Conspiracy theories’, people laugh but to me that means not instantly trusting what certain people tell you and doing the right thing yourself. It’s not the govt who have helped try to control this thing, they’ve cocked everything up, it’s us, we’re the ones inside, our leaders have failed us. We all have to be self sufficient, right from maybe not spending all your cash on stuff & things but having some set aside, not blindly accepting everything, not busily destroying the environment and having some common sense. Conspiracy theories aren’t about smashing up phone masts, it’s just about really asking whether what you’re being told is true and being sensible enough to do the smart thing. Politics has become a complete cult and they all lie, you’d have to be a complete simpleton right just accept what they tell you, that is a very different thing from thinking that the pigeons were being turned into drone robots.

even re-reading that I’m aware I’m not explaining clearly, I’m hung over, hopefully you get my drift... I guess I mean it’s on us to protect the way we live, the environment etc, the people up above only want to accumulate wealth and power, as we see now they are helpless to protect their own people.
 
Grendel

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Ring Of Steel said:
self sufficiency is an interesting one- was thinking about this. ‘Conspiracy theories’, people laugh but to me that means not instantly trusting what certain people tell you and doing the right thing yourself. It’s not the govt who have helped try to control this thing, they’ve cocked everything up, it’s us, we’re the ones inside, our leaders have failed us. We all have to be self sufficient, right from maybe not spending all your cash on stuff & things but having some set aside, not blindly accepting everything, not busily destroying the environment and having some common sense. Conspiracy theories aren’t about smashing up phone masts, it’s just about really asking whether what you’re being told is true and being sensible enough to do the smart thing. Politics has become a complete cult and they all lie, you’d have to be a complete simpleton right just accept what they tell you, that is a very different thing from thinking that the pigeons were being turned into drone robots.

even re-reading that I’m aware I’m not explaining clearly, I’m hung over, hopefully you get my drift...
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Which is fascinating given the government is now telling people whet your do and pretty much everyone is obeying the rules whereas when people were given some advice and not rules the advice was ignored
 
Ring Of Steel

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Grendel said:
Which is fascinating given the government is now telling people whet your do and pretty much everyone is obeying the rules whereas when people were given some advice and not rules the advice was ignored
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All of which has proven beyond doubt that they don’t know how to protect people, they have changed their minds with the wind. People aren’t indoors because Hancock said so, they’re inside because they don’t want to end up on a ventilator and they have seen what is happening.
 
clint van damme

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Ring Of Steel said:
self sufficiency is an interesting one- was thinking about this. ‘Conspiracy theories’, people laugh but to me that means not instantly trusting what certain people tell you and doing the right thing yourself. It’s not the govt who have helped try to control this thing, they’ve cocked everything up, it’s us, we’re the ones inside, our leaders have failed us. We all have to be self sufficient, right from maybe not spending all your cash on stuff & things but having some set aside, not blindly accepting everything, not busily destroying the environment and having some common sense. Conspiracy theories aren’t about smashing up phone masts, it’s just about really asking whether what you’re being told is true and being sensible enough to do the smart thing. Politics has become a complete cult and they all lie, you’d have to be a complete simpleton right just accept what they tell you, that is a very different thing from thinking that the pigeons were being turned into drone robots.

even re-reading that I’m aware I’m not explaining clearly, I’m hung over, hopefully you get my drift...
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Goves we've had enough of experts statement has validated all sorts of fuckwittery. He's given licence to people to spread and believe a whole raft of ill conceived nonsense.
 
Grendel

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Ring Of Steel said:
All of which has proven beyond doubt that they don’t know how to protect people, they have changed their minds with the wind. People aren’t indoors because Hancock said so, they’re inside because they don’t want to end up on a ventilator and they have seen what is happening.
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No it proves nothing of the sort - it proves that governments can remove what were sacred liberties and people will accept them and fall in line - they are exactly doing as Hancock tells them - if restrictions were removed yesterday and it was advisory beaches would be packed
 
TomRad85

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David O'Day said:
Context as well. At that stage look man had played in the premier league etc.

So yes he was a better player then.

Tom's fucked it yet again

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Admit it, you've made yourself look a mug. Again.

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MalcSB

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Haven’t the really low interest rates in savings combined with low interest rate mortgages deterred people from saving?
 
Ring Of Steel

Ring Of Steel

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clint van damme said:
Goves we've had enough of experts statement has validated all sorts of fuckwittery. He's given licence to people to spread and believe a whole raft of ill conceived nonsense.
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yes exactly- the only people we can rely on in situations like these are ourselves, the political/ leadership systems simply cannot deal with these things, they are designed around ruling & economies as opposed to maintaining life. It’s a shift from the cold Darwinism we see now to... I don’t know, I don’t have the answers- but the way the world is set up now will just keep killing millions of it doesn’t incorporate some kind of focus on humanity & the environment a bit more.
 
Ring Of Steel

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Grendel said:
No it proves nothing of the sort - it proves that governments can remove what were sacred liberties and people will accept them and fall in line - they are exactly doing as Hancock tells them - if restrictions were removed yesterday and it was advisory beaches would be packed
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like I said, people have to change because the leaders cannot and have not been able to protect their citizens. Our own govt swapped and changed their views multiple times before they had to hold their hands up and say “everyone inside”. Some countries still haven’t done that. The world we are all sending our children into is broken, which for me is the single worst thing about all of this, I dread it getting even worse by the time mine have to go out and face up to life, and I’m sure I’m not alone in that. As if it wasn’t enough that they’re going into a vicious & ruthless place, they now know that these pandemics are real and forecast to keep happening, and the people that are supposed to protect them can’t currently do a thing about it.
 
Grendel

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Ring Of Steel said:
like I said, people have to change because the leaders cannot and have not been able to protect their citizens. Our own govt swapped and changed their views multiple times before they had to hold their hands up and say “everyone inside”. Some countries still haven’t done that. The world we are all sending our children into is broken, which for me is the single worst thing about all of this, I dread it getting even worse by the time mine have to go out and face up to life, and I’m sure I’m not alone in that.
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Sanctimonious twaddle
 
TomRad85

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David O'Day said:
Why when you've clearly been lying and have just been caught out.



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Context - I stated an opinion that I thought Maddison will be better than Lookman. You wrote the above, plus more shite.

You're a liar and you've caught out, just own it.

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David O'Day

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TomRad85 said:
Context - I stated an opinion that I thought Maddison will be better than Lookman. You wrote the above, plus more shite.

You're a liar and you've caught out, just own it.

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You're screenshot shows that we were talking about them on that date he ce the us of is and not will be.

Lying again tom.

You've played your hand and dropped it.

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David O'Day

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TomRad85 said:
Context - I stated an opinion that I thought Maddison will be better than Lookman. You wrote the above, plus more shite.

You're a liar and you've caught out, just own it.

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Is tom. No will be.

You lying c**t

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TomRad85

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David O'Day said:
Is tom. No will be.

You lying c**t

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You can't call people a c**t and wriggle out of this one, you've been done.

Lookman wasn't better than Maddison even then, Maddison moved to Leicester shortly after this, and after ripping up the championship, did pretty much the same in the prem.

You also stated Lookman wasn't surplus to requirements at Everton... he was.

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TomRad85

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cc84cov said:
What are we all arguing over this evening then ?

Whats on the agenda tonight ? :)
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David's just calling me a c**t again so nothing new from my point of view.

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TomRad85

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cc84cov said:
Just tried to make head and tail of that Maddison argument Lads ?
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Basically David said it was laughable to compare Maddison to Lookman in his very charming David way. This was the summer Maddison moved to Leicester so needless to say it didn't age well for him.

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Grendel

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Ring Of Steel said:
Your credibility & relevance were pretty much gone when you were getting all revved up praising herd immunity and accusing the Chinese of infecting towns 200 miles away from them- with all due respect I am not overly concerned by your opinions at this stage.
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With respect I’ve posed several questions which you ignore and refuse to answer - you are very poor at debating actually. You are very good at diversions and nonsense like this and you enjoy the attention

This latest hypothesis of yours is absurd. Hancock is a very little insignificant man and now is acting like a cheap dictator. In the past such characters would have been told to do one. Now he can make threats to remove more liberties and people are more frightened of the consequences from Hancock than the reality of the virus

Cummings is about as conservative as Karl Marx and he will be taking note as to how people can be controlled and directed.

Businesses and people’s lives are being destroyed forever - some have survived far greater threats than this but we now see a government that can completely close the country down and all people like you obsess with is irrelevant sideshow nonsense that will be forgotten the day Mr Hancock gives people permission to breathe again

Mr Cummings will be very pleased with you
 
David O'Day

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TomRad85 said:
You can't call people a c**t and wriggle out of this one, you've been done.

Lookman wasn't better than Maddison even then, Maddison moved to Leicester shortly after this, and after ripping up the championship, did pretty much the same in the prem.

You also stated Lookman wasn't surplus to requirements at Everton... he was.

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Oh ffs tom you are lying again.

Today we've learned tom lies and he can't use a computer

Is your name even tom?
 
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