Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (37 Viewers)

[clint van damme]

But it also gives a govt (or someone with dictatorial tendencies) to take that challenging of content and untruths and use it to crack down on dissidence rather than actual wrong information because it all depends on what the person in charge decides is wrong.

It does and that's why there needs to be balance.
That's why I would penalise organisations heavily for printing bullshit.
I know it's not really so much of a relevant medium any more but I've always said if a newspaper print a bullshit front page then they should be made to put the retraction and apology on the front page. Might make them think twice.

 

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[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

It does and that's why there needs to be balance.
That's why I would penalise organisations heavily for printing bullshit.
I know it's not really so much of a relevant medium any more but I've always said if a newspaper print a bullshit front page then they should be made to put the retraction and apology on the front page. Might make them think twice.

I agree, and the size of it should be made much bigger. 1/4 page minimum and font size at least twice that of normal so it stands out.

 

[fernandopartridge]

While there’s some truth to this, I mean it’s the weirdos that have the time and inclination to attends hundreds of meetings to get selected mostly, I don’t get this fetishisation of the business world. I see lots and lots and lots of fucking useless people in business in high up positions taking in large salaries that have no discernible talents.

Agreed - the Apprentice has been dreadful in this respect as it has condensed 'success' down solely to making most profit every week. Nothing else at all.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Remember that PPE from Turkey that was going to be here Sunday but was then 'delayed'?
Coronavirus: UK only formally asked Turkey for PPE shipment help on Sunday - after telling Britons it was on its way

Outrageous!!! So so naughty

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

828 deaths think we will have upwards of 400 deaths a day for quite a while. Old guy at church gone into hospital with covid and a friends mum. First real link with me in all this .

 

[Gray]

828 deaths think we will have upwards of 400 deaths a day for quite a while. Old guy at church gone into hospital with covid and a friends mum. First real link with me in all this .

Do these include ones not included at the weekend If so maybe not as bad as it looks, tomorrows numbers will be interesting

 

[CCFCSteve]

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828 deaths think we will have upwards of 400 deaths a day for quite a while. Old guy at church gone into hospital with covid and a friends mum. First real link with me in all this .

As I mentioned yesterday though Pete the deaths happening on an actual day appear to be gradually decreasing and have been (at least in England) for a couple of weeks.

Appreciate its little comfort but whilst the headline daily numbers are jumping around actual deaths per day are trending down

What I still can’t quite work out is whether all of the backdated fatalities are still hospital only or include outside of hospital

ps I know all of the semantics are kind of irrelevant (as every death is a tragedy) but I am just talking from the perspective of seeing if things are improving or not.

 

[fernandopartridge]

18k tests / 11,636 people
4301 positives

These are OK numbers infection wise I think, slowing down very gradually taking into account the additional tests. It is still high numbers though, nearly 2 weeks of 4k + cases. The death toll is going to be close to 1k a day for at least another fortnight if not longer.

 

[fernandopartridge]

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As I mentioned yesterday though Pete the deaths happening on an actual day appear to be gradually decreasing and have been (at least in England) for a couple of weeks.

Appreciate its little comfort but whilst the headline daily numbers are jumping around actual deaths per day are trending down

What I still can’t quite work out is whether all of the backdated fatalities are still hospital only or include outside of hospital

ps I know all of this is kind of irrelevant (as every death is a tragedy) but I am just talking from the perspective of seeing if things are improving or not.

The NHSE stuff you shared is just the NHS hospital based deaths, they're all linked back to an NHS provider.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Dominos CEO announces plan to give millions of pounds worth of pizza to NHS workers

 

[CCFCSteve]

Do these include ones not included at the weekend If so maybe not as bad as it looks, tomorrows numbers will be interesting

Every daily announced figure include deaths from days, sometimes weeks ago. I’m not sure of why there was such a backlog coming into today’s figures but it definitely would’ve been partially caused by ‘the weekend factor’

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Dominos CEO announces plan to give millions of pounds worth of pizza to NHS workers

I had a crazy email the other day where they were going to surprise them at work with pizza. I'm hoping it's now rather more structured than that!

 

[fernandopartridge]

Dominos CEO announces plan to give millions of pounds worth of pizza to NHS workers

Misleading headline, it's worth is the cost not the price.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I had a crazy email the other day where they were going to surprise them at work with pizza. I'm hoping it's now rather more structured than that!

It does seem pretty random, I’d just allow it with a valid NHS email

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Misleading headline, it's worth is the cost not the price.

Wouldn’t that then be equivalent to more pizza?

 

[CCFCSteve]

The NHSE stuff you shared is just the NHS hospital based deaths, they're all linked back to an NHS provider.

very strange that some are taking so long to be reported and then get added on in quite large chunks.

18k tests / 11,636 people
4301 positives

These are OK numbers infection wise I think, slowing down very gradually taking into account the additional tests. It is still high numbers though, nearly 2 weeks of 4k + cases. The death toll is going to be close to 1k a day for at least another fortnight if not longer.

I don’t think the daily deaths should be that high, I’d hope that today was more of an anomaly due weekend catch up and a significant number of historical/backdated additions. Could be wrong though, just basing theory on the decreasing day rate on that NHS England spreadsheet

*again, not meaning to offend anyone with the unemotive language

 

[chiefdave]

Wouldn’t that then be equivalent to more pizza?

If they sell pizza at a tenner a go they can say we're giving millions worth of pizza based on that price but if they only cost they a quid each to make its not actually costing them millions.

Might just be a cynic but my first thought was they have loads of stock they need to shift before it goes out of date.

 

[David O'Day]

I am uncomfortable with this let's give the nhs staff this and that game of one upmanship companies are doing.

It completely ignores other key workers who are putting their lives at risk including care home workers, food retail and transportation staff.

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[fernandopartridge]

very strange that some are taking so long to be reported and then get added on in quite large chunks.




I don’t think the daily deaths should be that high, I’d hope that today was more of an anomaly due weekend catch up and a significant number of historical/backdated additions. Could be wrong though, just basing theory on the decreasing day rate on that NHS England spreadsheet

*again, not meaning to offend anyone with the unemotive language

1k is adding together in and out of hospital tbf

 

[David O'Day]

It seems the story about a civil servant missing the email to join the eu ventilator procurement scheme was a lie and it was in fact a political decision as per the head civil servant at the fco

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[chiefdave]

I am uncomfortable with this let's give the nhs staff this and that game of one upmanship companies are doing.

It completely ignores other key workers who are putting their lives at risk including care home workers, food retail and transportation staff.

For some things its understandable. Things like artists putting on thank you concerts, they are requiring NHS ID to be shown alongside the tickets to gain entry. Would be virtually impossible to extend that as what do you accept as valid ID?

Other things look like PR opportunities. Lots of companies with perishable stock lying around they can't use. How much advertising spend would Domino's need to make to achieve the equivalent impact of the free pizzas for NHS workers?

 

[David O'Day]

For some things its understandable. Things like artists putting on thank you concerts, they are requiring NHS ID to be shown alongside the tickets to gain entry. Would be virtually impossible to extend that as what do you accept as valid ID?

Other things look like PR opportunities. Lots of companies with perishable stock lying around they can't use. How much advertising spend would Domino's need to make to achieve the equivalent impact of the free pizzas for NHS workers?

Everywhere has Id these days. You could show a supermarket work id or a national express cov of so no I don't buy that argument. Most care home workers can't go to these concerts as they don't work for the nhs.

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[Tommo1993]

That 20,000 they were hoping for is looking a bit stretched.

 

[chiefdave]

Everywhere has Id these days. You could show a supermarket work id or a national express cov of so no I don't buy that argument. Most care home workers can't go to these concerts as they don't work for the nhs.

That's the point. Think about the stewards on the door having to check all these. Its going to slow things down anyway. Now imagine the chaos if you extend that to an essentially unlimited assortment of ID cards with the steward being the one who has to decide if that ID gives someone key worker status or not.

And anyway not everywhere has ID. My company is classed as keyworker as we support medical staff. I don't have a work ID and have been furloughed while others in my company continue to work. How does someone checking tickets on the door deal with that?

 

[David O'Day]

That's the point. Think about the stewards on the door having to check all these. Its going to slow things down anyway. Now imagine the chaos if you extend that to an essentially unlimited assortment of ID cards with the steward being the one who has to decide if that ID gives someone key worker status or not.

And anyway not everywhere has ID. My company is classed as keyworker as we support medical staff. I don't have a work ID and have been furloughed while others in my company continue to work. How does someone checking tickets on the door deal with that?

It's easy enough for example the Tom Clarke gig at the empire is 900 tickets tops. The bouncer can easily look and see oh nhs id, oh asda id etc. It's not unlimited.

It seems I fair that some people are being rewarded and some not.

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[chiefdave]

It's easy enough for example the Tom Clarke gig at the empire is 900 tickets tops. The bouncer can easily look and see oh nhs id, oh asda id etc. It's not unlimited.

Now scale that up for 20K at the O2. And add in that the person on the door has got to decide what ID is acceptable and what isn't. Would be absolute chaos. What happens when people start getting turned away?

No system is going to be perfect so at the end of the day making NHS ID the requirement for gigs for NHS staff seems a workable compromise.

 

[David O'Day]

Now scale that up for 20K at the O2. And add in that the person on the door has got to decide what ID is acceptable and what isn't. Would be absolute chaos. What happens when people start getting turned away?

No system is going to be perfect so at the end of the day making NHS ID the requirement for gigs for NHS staff seems a workable compromise.

It's not carnage, it's checking ids. At the o2 there's going to be 100s of people searching people at the doors anyway.

It's cuntish to allow someone like an admin worker fro. A primary care trust to be rewarded but not someone like a care home worker who's actually at the coalface.

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[David O'Day]

I was speaking to someone I know who works on the care home sector and they are often trying to treat dying people armed only with homemade ppe and paracetamol.

Why does the public not seem to give a fuck about them?

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[chiefdave]

At the o2 there's going to be 100s of people searching people at the doors anyway.

Exactly, hundreds of different people all of whom will have different ideas of who is classed as a key worker and who isn't.

Having experienced the chaos when all you're asking them to do is check the name on the ticket matches any photo ID for a regular I can't see it being workable.

 

[Ian1779]

So the Sun’s showbiz reporter was asking questions at today’s briefing.

We’re fucked lads.

 

[David O'Day]

So the Sun’s showbiz reporter was asking questions at today’s briefing.

We’re fucked lads.

To be fair the fella from the lad bible asked the best question of his presser

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

So the Sun’s showbiz reporter was asking questions at today’s briefing.

We’re fucked lads.

Free pizza for everyone asking a good question

 

[David O'Day]

Free pizza for everyone asking a good question

Only if the work for the 4 nhs

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

Relevant to you shhmee?

Separated parents warned not to exploit lockdown

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Only if the work for the 4 nhs

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A friend of mine tried pulling once by telling a girl that her fella had chlamydia and showed his NHS badge to prove it. Little did he know it could get him a pizza