Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (4 Viewers)

[skybluetony176]

Would you honestly have supported this government closing the borders to EU countries in January or would you have accused then of Brexit xenophobia

We’d have been eating humble pie if they had but as that never happened I guess what you’re really saying is our government got it wrong.

 

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[Nick]

Scrubs are reusable and are laundered, usually on site.

That's what I thought would be the case, on the news the other day they were saying they weren't which is why people were rushing to make millions more.

I can understand why gloves aren't but things that are material, just wash them properly and re-use.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Would you honestly have supported this government closing the borders to EU countries in January or would you have accused then of Brexit xenophobia

Australia blocked arrivals from China initially in early Feb and only closed their borders around 17th March.

 

[Nick]

Piers Morgan won't big them up. He'd go full-on attack asking why the hell are they mucking about during a crisis.

As that appears to be radiology, which has probably had most of it's appointments cancelled to reduce the number of very vulnerable people coming in and potentially catching the virus, they're probably less busy than normal, but still needs to be staffed.

I imagine those that work there alternate between ICU etc and that department to allow a bit of a rest. There is no way anyone could cope mentally with just full-on death/disease, go home, come back and repeat. To work that hard you have to play hard too to give your mind and body the chance to recover.

I do think it was a very silly thing to post it online though. If it helps you unwind great but keep it among yourselves. Otherwise you're just giving the nutcases ammo.

He would big them up, have you seen him ranting recently? This is the bloke who hacks dead girls phones and fakes images from soldiers.

If there are radiology staff sat about, surely they can be moved to help out in other wards if they have nothing to do?

 

[chiefdave]

Would you honestly have supported this government closing the borders to EU countries in January or would you have accused then of Brexit xenophobia

I doubt very much that the government are making major decisions based on the response I'm going to give on a football forum. Even if people did complain at the time surely that works out brilliantly for the government when their actions work and they can play the 'we now better card' in the future.

 

[David O'Day]

If they're trained for ICU I'd think they'd be rota'd onto it at the moment. Obviously if you're not then you wouldn't be. If not you risk burnout of those that are dealing with this full-on all the time while other departments are much quieter.

Most of them won't be, since they were junior doctors you specialise. There are very very few general doctors in the hospital system and these are usually at smaller hospitals.

The issue is icu is a very specialist role. What they have done is reduce the staffing level from 1 icu bed per icu nurse to 1 nurse per 4 beds.

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[wingy]

I've been through spells at work working 12 to 16 hours a day 7 days a week.
To think you can't have amy fucking about and horseplay in those situations if fucking nonsense. It's what helps get you through, (Not suggesting my situation was a stressful as this far from it)

Probably not a good idea to put if on social media with the government trying to scapegoat you and all sorts of arseholes lining up to take a pop admittedly.

Yep all of that and then all out on the town hammered on continental ale

Six hours kip and off we go again .

Surprised if they're not sucking on nitrous oxide and banging the hottest nurse in a linen cupboard somewhere

 

[chiefdave]

Another thing that's not mentioned is are they releasing death numbers from Cancer etc? How down are deaths from other causes to this time last year for example?

This gives an idea of how the number of deaths compares to a 'normal' year. Will probably have to wait for the ONS to compile more detailed data which could be weeks or months down the line.

 

[David O'Day]

That's what I thought would be the case, on the news the other day they were saying they weren't which is why people were rushing to make millions more.

I can understand why gloves aren't but things that are material, just wash them properly and re-use.

The non reusable item is the plastic gown which goes over the top of the scrubs.

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[Grendel]

The apologists will make an argument about density, but ignore that even though the island of Australia is vast the population mostly live in dense urban areas.

Oh it’s our biggest advantage no question and yes we could have locked our borders immediately and should have done. Whatever you think of this government it’s essentially weak and liberal on its thinking and courts popular thinking. If they’d done it the outrage regarding its racist, xenophobic behaviour would have been confirmed. The Rachel Riley stalkier would have been in full flow and everyone pretty much in here would have been outraged

Churchill would have locked the borders and anyone who’s travelled from China, Italy and Spain would be against their will isolated

and everyone on here would squeal racist Tory

 

[Johnnythespider]

Would you honestly have supported this government closing the borders to EU countries in January or would you have accused then of Brexit xenophobia

Do you support the decision to allow hundreds of thousands to arrive on flights from affected countries and just wander of into the community

 

[wingy]

Would you honestly have supported this government closing the borders to EU countries in January or would you have accused then of Brexit xenophobia

I think the case could have been made regards Northern Italy In general
Skiing regions , holiday advice seemed to be framed around commercial aspects rather welfare of Britons heading abroad along with all the cruises continuing after the first one in Japan .

 

[Grendel]

Do you support the decision to allow hundreds of thousands to arrive on flights from affected countries and just wander of into the community

I think if children going skiing in Italy in January were forcibly detained for two weeks afterwards there would have been outrage. I do think the one thing the government could and should have done is locked borders and detained all nationals from high infected areas for two weeks and then cancelled all future travel but I also think the backlash would have been horrific.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Oh it’s our biggest advantage no question and yes we could have locked our borders immediately and should have done. Whatever you think of this government it’s essentially weak and liberal on its thinking and courts popular thinking. If they’d done it the outrage regarding its racist, xenophobic behaviour would have been confirmed. The Rachel Riley stalkier would have been in full flow and everyone pretty much in here would have been outraged

Churchill would have locked the borders and anyone who’s travelled from China, Italy and Spain would be against their will isolated

and everyone on here would squeal racist Tory

I personally would have accepted it if the motives for it were very clearly outlined. The problem was that at the point that Australia were closing borders, our government were pursuing either the herd immunity policy and / or trying to play it down (listening to the nudge unit arseholes).

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

He would big them up, have you seen him ranting recently? This is the bloke who hacks dead girls phones and fakes images from soldiers.

If there are radiology staff sat about, surely they can be moved to help out in other wards if they have nothing to do?

Not sure if we agree on the first point. He's an horrific human being but has been critical of the handling of this virus. But show him a video of health workers making a tik tok and his response would be just like yours - what the hell are they playing at. Shouldn't they be helping out?

As for point two as I said although certain depts have had appointments cancelled, they probably still need to be open in case and thus need to be staffed. For all we know that could be a much reduced staff to normal and many of their colleagues (and indeed them at other times) are helping out elsewhere like on wards.

 

[Grendel]

I personally would have accepted it if the motives for it were very clearly outlined. The problem was that at the point that Australia were closing borders, our government were pursuing either the herd immunity policy and / or trying to play it down (listening to the nudge unit arseholes).

I doubt many would though. We’ve seen on here the promotion of a twitter crank who claimed the government made up NHS accounts to support herd immunity when a cursory piece of research would show he’s a nut job

No one will make these decisions now as they are terrified of the masses swallowing the twitter frenzy of utterly insane accusations. The person who made this ridiculous accusation should be put in prison for 10 years and anyone promoting the nonsense a hefty fine and warning of future conduct

Then governments may become brave again

 

[clint van damme]

I doubt many would though. We’ve seen on here the promotion of a twitter crank who claimed the government made up NHS accounts to support herd immunity when a cursory piece of research would show he’s a nut job

No one will make these decisions now as they are terrified of the masses swallowing the twitter frenzy of utterly insane accusations. The person who made this ridiculous accusation should be put in prison for 10 years and anyone promoting the nonsense a hefty fine and warning of future conduct

Then governments may become brave again

Oh it’s our biggest advantage no question and yes we could have locked our borders immediately and should have done. Whatever you think of this government it’s essentially weak and liberal on its thinking and courts popular thinking. If they’d done it the outrage regarding its racist, xenophobic behaviour would have been confirmed. The Rachel Riley stalkier would have been in full flow and everyone pretty much in here would have been outraged

Churchill would have locked the borders and anyone who’s travelled from China, Italy and Spain would be against their will isolated

and everyone on here would squeal racist Tory

Everyone squealed racist Tory when they deported Windrushers who had every right to be here and they didn't give a fuck so I don't think they can use a few social media cranks as an excuse for not doing what needs to be done now.

To try and put blame for mishandling the pandemic on Twitter is some stretch even for the Tory fan boys on here.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

That's fine. It's when you were saying Labour MP's should be sacked for disgraceful comments then refer to Johnson as 'gallows humour' it's a bit rich. Same standards for all.

Or when he goes and dismisses other comments made by him or the other right wingers here as 'throwaway comments'

 

[Grendel]

Everyone squealed racist Tory when they deported Windrushers who had every right to be here and they didn't give a fuck so I don't think they can use a few social media cranks as an excuse for not doing what needs to be done now.

To try and put blame for mishandling the pandemic on Twitter is some stretch even for the Tory fan boys on here.

You’ve just proved my point

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I doubt many would though. We’ve seen on here the promotion of a twitter crank who claimed the government made up NHS accounts to support herd immunity when a cursory piece of research would show he’s a nut job

No one will make these decisions now as they are terrified of the masses swallowing the twitter frenzy of utterly insane accusations. The person who made this ridiculous accusation should be put in prison for 10 years and anyone promoting the nonsense a hefty fine and warning of future conduct

Then governments may become brave again

If they didn't partake in it then I'd have more sympathy

 

[clint van damme]

You’ve just proved my point

I haven't.
You were correct to say the government is weak.
To make out it's because they're worried about public perception is nonsense.
If they were they might actually run the country and manage this pandemic properly.

 

[clint van damme]

If they didn't partake in it then I'd have more sympathy

Exactly. You're either against something or for it.
But if you're only for it when it suits your agenda then that's hypocrisy

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I haven't.
You were correct to say the government is weak.
To make out it's because they're worried about public perception is nonsense.
If they were they might actually run the country and manage this pandemic properly.

You're talking about a party that spent 4 years making up anything and everything about a 65 year old geography teacher lookalike to convince everyone the world would end if he got elected

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Exactly. You're either against something or for it.
But if you're only for it when it suits your agenda then that's hypocrisy

You can't pint hold and joke your way out when tens of thousands will die

 

[Grendel]

I haven't.
You were correct to say the government is weak.
To make out it's because they're worried about public perception is nonsense.
If they were they might actually run the country and manage this pandemic properly.

No it isn’t. If they’d locked the borders against FOM regulations gigs he screaming racist bastards. You believed that nut job on twitter. Even if it was correct you’d have still screamed that they were a racist government. You want liberalism and not total government empowerment - if you seriously believe any ruling party would have taken the required action you are deluding yourself

 

[Grendel]

You can't pint hold and joke your way out when tens of thousands will die

But some crackpot can say he’s got hard evidence 128 accounts have been created by the government and morons believe it. Thousands will die anyway

 

[Grendel]

You're talking about a party that spent 4 years making up anything and everything about a 65 year old geography teacher lookalike to convince everyone the world would end if he got elected

No on had to make anything up about Mr Corbyn he’s got his own lamentable history in black and white

 

[clint van damme]

No it isn’t. If they’d locked the borders against FOM regulations gigs he screaming racist bastards. You believed that nut job on twitter. Even if it was correct you’d have still screamed that they were a racist government. You want liberalism and not total government empowerment - if you seriously believe any ruling party would have taken the required action you are deluding yourself

You're missing the point.
People have screamed racism on plenty of occasions before, the government has ignored it. Don't make out it would be a factor in this.
And Raab said last year no one's interested in the cut and thrust of social media when the Tories got caught out being let's say disingenuous. It's no good bleating about it now.
The any government argument is irrelevant. It happened on this government's watch. They're responsible for the consequences of their response.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

No on had to make anything up about Mr Corbyn he’s got his own lamentable history in black and white

So why did so many have to retract claims that were effectively libel? There was so much mud thrown at that guy and most was exaggerated or as tenuous as Steven Gerrard on a wet pitch. You can't bitch about 'morons believing anything' when that's how Leave and the Tories build their success. Not taking aside either the obscene stuff printed about Miliband and his dad or the bullshit narrative around Labour crashing the economy which is still widely believed even after George Osborne admitted it was guff

 

[skybluetony176]

Oh it’s our biggest advantage no question and yes we could have locked our borders immediately and should have done. Whatever you think of this government it’s essentially weak and liberal on its thinking and courts popular thinking. If they’d done it the outrage regarding its racist, xenophobic behaviour would have been confirmed. The Rachel Riley stalkier would have been in full flow and everyone pretty much in here would have been outraged

Churchill would have locked the borders and anyone who’s travelled from China, Italy and Spain would be against their will isolated

and everyone on here would squeal racist Tory

So what you’re saying then is Boris is Neville Chamberlain and needs to go for the good of the country. At last, something we agree on.

 

[clint van damme]

But some crackpot can say he’s got hard evidence 128 accounts have been created by the government and morons believe it. Thousands will die anyway

Social media is full of crack pots spreading bullshit from all ends of the political spectrum.
I don't like it any more than you but don't make out it's the preserve of Labour supporters.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

But some crackpot can say he’s got hard evidence 128 accounts have been created by the government and morons believe it. Thousands will die anyway

One is a random quack on Twitter the other is the mainstream media apparatus

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

So what you’re saying then is Boris is Neville Chamberlain and needs to go for the good of the country. At last, something we agree on.

I know there is a literal Churchill in the current Tory party but I don't think they have any metaphorical ones

 

[skybluetony176]

Everyone squealed racist Tory when they deported Windrushers who had every right to be here and they didn't give a fuck so I don't think they can use a few social media cranks as an excuse for not doing what needs to be done now.

To try and put blame for mishandling the pandemic on Twitter is some stretch even for the Tory fan boys on here.

Yet...

 

[Grendel]

You're missing the point.
People have screamed racism on plenty of occasions before, the government has ignored it. Don't make out it would be a factor in this.
And Raab said last year no one's interested in the cut and thrust of social media when the Tories got caught out being let's say disingenuous. It's no good bleating about it now.
The any government argument is irrelevant. It happened on this government's watch. They're responsible for the consequences of their response.

Do you accept the twitter account regarding the NHS workers was a lack of lies