I guess that's ultimately how the royals looked at Megan's wedding
I thought he was brilliant .
An absolute breath of fresh air .
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I thought he was brilliant .
An absolute breath of fresh air .
hill83
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Fair enough
shmmeee
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Can we have some white working class ones in there then as they’re the worst performing group.
We’ve got a crisis of Male working class leadership and role models in this country. Black or white.
Grendel
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I don’t know what you are on about now but a large percentage of children in private schools are not white
shmmeee
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Clever wording. Asian students are the highest performing. This is very much about black students not “non white”. I note the ISC is very careful to use the same words you do and don’t reveal the breakdown beyond that.
clint van damme
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I think those were the musings of Jamie Redknapp
Grendel
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Not really. I can only go on my experience and when I refer to private schools i mean ex grammar. In those in Coventry definitely there was at least 4% representation and less white as a percentage against the population as a whole.
shmmeee
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I’d like to see some stats, taking out overseas students obviously. I’d expect the makeup to match that of the upper middle classes generally. Good for them if they buck that trend.
I will say I have no idea what Redknapps point is that Dave’s on about can’t find anything online. I assumed it was the way to stop racism is more black kids at private schools?
chiefdave
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David O'Day
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We look to these people to help tackle structural racism
Nick
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It's not really white privilege, it's not as if there aren't any black players earning silly money from football who can send their kids to private school.
shmmeee
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That’s not what white privilege means. I’m not a fan of the phrase but it’s about not recognising your circumstances don’t apply. I’d call this class privilege rather than white privilege, the fact is for the vast vast majority of people black or white, private schools ain’t gonna be the answer.
Nick
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In which case colour of skin isn't relevant is it? It's somebody who was a footballer and earnt a lot of money who's dad is also minted not really knowing about what it would be like going to a school in a really bad area.
So much stuff is more about "class" than it is skin colour, it's almost as if it's racist to try to make it about skin colour rather than class.
Ian1779
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Ladies and gentleman - your foreign secretary who has probably also looked at what trade deal we could do with Westeros post Brexit.
David O'Day
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White privilege is simply just never having the colour of your skin count against you.
chiefdave
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David O'Day
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Alan Dugdales Moustache
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Perhaps, David lammy, black people simply don't want to become court judges in sufficient number, in the same way as black people may not want to become steeple jacks or roofers or stone masons.
skybluetony176
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Just been reading up on this following a comment that Piers Morgan made on Twitter about it. It seems that Colin Kaepernick actually got the idea from a former Green Beret. It seems that this is something Green Berets do during the national anthem to honour their fallen colleagues. So there was never anything anti-American about it. Perhaps even more worrying though is the whole Game of Thrones thing was started on far right platforms to mock the apparent lack of intelligence in Colin Kaepernick taking the knee. And now we have a cabinet member using the same “observation”.
Ring Of Steel
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Take your point, but its also a bit unlikely seeing as you'll see the same thing across industries.
skybluetony176
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Perhaps ADM this is actually a measure of inequality in the education system between black and white kids meaning that as a reflection of that there’s a disproportionately low number of black kids going to university meaning that there’s a disproportionately low amount of black people with a carrier in law meaning that there’s a disproportionately low number of black judges.
Nick
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In what way? There are no different classrooms based on skin colour, obviously each school's level of teaching and quality is different but kids within the school would get offered the same level of education.
My daughter has black African, Caribbean and Asian kids in her class and they all get the opportunity as her to learn. It will be different when it comes to uni age as that's where you need to pay.
Also, they all integrate really well. There's no section of white kids, no group of asian kids etc. How it should be.
Again, the discussion is about learning so I am more than happy to learn the difference when told!
Skybluefaz
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You think it is a matter of choice rather than the lack of opportunity to take that particular path, or even believe that path is an option?
shmmeee
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The two are so intertwined, I agree that a lot of “structural racism” points raised are about class. I’ve still not seen a good explanation as to white black communities tend to be more working class than say Asian communities. Maybe something to do with how people came over? As in what sort of jobs? I honestly have no idea.
I’ve said the same to the missus about police “brutality” TBH, a lot of the stories sound similar to how me and my mates were treated as teenagers and maybe the big issue is how police treat all groups they suspect of crime?
There’s clearly racism in personal decisions that need to be tackled, and racist groups, but I do feel that like a lot of sexism, a lot of structural racism in this country is down to a mix of class and interventions not flowing through yet to the top of society.
shmmeee
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Are there no judges in majority black countries?
David O'Day
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I'd trust David Lammy a black lawyer on matters of black people and the law establishment over some walloper like ADM
shmmeee
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Yeah but he was forced to become a lawyer by leftie SJWs, when really he wanted to be a watermelon salesman no doubt.
David O'Day
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It's hard enough to become a barrister if you aren't the child of either a barrister or the friend of a barrister.
Nick
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Of course, there will be racist people within power who will use it
I used to rock about in an RS Turbo, I was pulled over a couple of times a week just because of that. Are polite stop and searching black people outside Canary Wharf for example or are they stopping gangs of youths or searching people suspected of having knives? I don't doubt that there will be racist people just targeting but if in London for example knife crime / gangs are made up of more black people then the majority stopped and searched will be black. Change that to somewhere up north (lets say Liverpool) where more gangs may be white then you would expect more white people to be searched. That's not saying suspicious white people shouldn't be stopped and searched, far from it.
I guess a lot of Asian communities really push their kids from an early age and it's much more important for their kid to be a doctor or a solicitor than it was for me to become either when I was growing up.
Nick
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Again, isn't that more class than skin colour?
A white or a black kid from a rough place growing up have about the same chance to know a barrister. I don't know any, don't think my mum does.
I see the point about jobs / industries like that opening up and not being an old boys club but again that's much more class based than it is on skin colour.
David O'Day
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No because they have opened it up to a lot more white people but not black people.
Not sure if you know how you become a barrister but you have serve a pupilage at a chambers and these chambers still overwhelming pick white candidates.