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[Ring Of Steel]

What should have happened is he should of been deported after serving his jail sentence

what did this guy do to end up jailed before? I have no idea

 

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[chiefdave]

What should have happened is he should of been deported after serving his jail sentence

What was he convicted of and how long was the sentence? For deportation it has to be a sentence of 12 months or more and on the list of offences in the Immigration Act. There's also a catch all for crimes that don't mean those conditions but where deportation would be 'conducive to the public good'.

Then you've got the minefield of refugee's rights, essentially you can't deport someone to a country where they will be in danger. Raises the issue of what do you do with people you consider a danger who aren't in prison for any specific offence.

 

[Nick]

Exactly- everyone is proclaiming “It’s terror related!” & maybe I’m missing something but what does that actually mean here?

It means it was a terror attack. Maybe you can fuck off and discuss it with dod on a politics forum?

 

[David O'Day]

What was he convicted of and how long was the sentence? For deportation it has to be a sentence of 12 months or more and on the list of offences in the Immigration Act. There's also a catch all for crimes that don't mean those conditions but where deportation would be 'conducive to the public good'.

Then you've got the minefield of refugee's rights, essentially you can't deport someone to a country where they will be in danger. Raises the issue of what do you do with people you consider a danger who aren't in prison for any specific offence.

All they have said was it was "relatively minor".

 

[Ring Of Steel]

It means it was a terror attack. Maybe you can fuck off and discuss it with dod on a politics forum?

So you don’t know, ok.

 

[Nick]

Reading details now, police rugby tackling him to the ground.

Randomly stabbing in the neck and armpits.

I think our police deserve a lot more respect than the abuse we have seen the last few weeks. Chasing him while unarmed and taking him down.

Some bollocks to do that, wonder how many lives they saved.

 

[shmmeee]

I meant the actual people who carried them out. They don't have political goals, they are animals.

Then they aren’t ISIS and aren’t terrorists.

Except they are.

We’re all animals mate. The world is a little more complex than goodies and baddies. Yes terrorist movements attract mentally unstable and otherwise fucked up individuals, it’s kinda hard to convince same people to go kill a bunch of people without a valid political cause. Palestine/NI slightly easier than ISIS so attract slightly saner people.

It’s not a video game where were trying to squash baddies until they’re all dead. Terrorists feed of humans failures and faulty thinking of which there’s an endless supply. If you just see them as cartoon monsters you’ll wonder why they keep spawning when you’ve killed them all.

 

[Nick]

So you don’t know, ok.

It means, it was an act of terror.

Still, I'm sure you want to argue about semantics rather than talk about what happened.

Imagine going to sit in a park with your mates and your families getting a call to say you had been butchered.

The world is a fucking shit place.

 

[Grendel]

It means, it was an act of terror.

Still, I'm sure you want to argue about semantics rather than talk about what happened.

Imagine going to sit in a park with your mates and your families getting a call to say you had been butchered.

The world is a fucking shit place.

Let me guess - ROS has entered the discussion

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Because it's not a terrorist attack is it. There is a definition of terrorism and not every knife attack falls into that category.
Forgive me but I'm not going to go around in circles with you on this basic fact.

Yes it is a terrorist attack and yes the police know more than you. As do we.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

All they have said was it was "relatively minor".

Oh well, that's alright then .

 

[Nick]

All they have said was it was "relatively minor".

Assaulting a security guard with a broken bottle and belt, apparently. Also attacking an emergency services worker.

Also attacked a judge.

Lovely bloke. Put the c**t down.

 

[Skybluefaz]

Yeah, you're tapping out of this thread because you know the outcome is not what you want.

That was entirely predictable and so was your faux outrage about me 'taking bets'.

You think that I didn't want it to be an act of terror? The bet thing was extremely poor taste. Can't believe you say otherwise.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

One thing's for sure, if it is an act of terrorism you can bet it'll add another 50 pages to this thread.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Assaulting a security guard with a broken bottle and belt, apparently. Also attacking an emergency services worker.

Also attacked a judge.

Lovely bloke. Put the c**t down.

Bet any money David and all his leftie crew would be the first to label anyone who wants criminals like him deported racist....

 

[David O'Day]

Bet any money David and all his leftie crew would be the first to label anyone who wants criminals like him deported racist....

£1000?

 

[clint van damme]

Bet any money David and all his leftie crew would be the first to label anyone who wants criminals like him deported racist....

I bet any money when that extreme right lad from Kent got jailed a few weeks ago for planning to fly to the States and bomb camp America you were gutted and are now writing to him in prison.

 

[David O'Day]

Got my money Dom? As I have no issues with deporting non UK nationals.

 

[David O'Day]

I bet any money when that extreme right lad from Kent got jailed a few weeks ago for planning to fly to the States and bomb camp America you were gutted and are now writing to him in prison.

Dom said any money so he now owes me a grand.

 

[clint van damme]

Dom said any money so he now owes me a grand.

doubt he's got that much in his piggy bank.

 

[David O'Day]

doubt he's got that much in his piggy bank.

I can set up a payment plan. If he cuts out teh KFC he can pay get the payments down quicker.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

What was he convicted of and how long was the sentence? For deportation it has to be a sentence of 12 months or more and on the list of offences in the Immigration Act. There's also a catch all for crimes that don't mean those conditions but where deportation would be 'conducive to the public good'.

Then you've got the minefield of refugee's rights, essentially you can't deport someone to a country where they will be in danger. Raises the issue of what do you do with people you consider a danger who aren't in prison for any specific offence.

I know I'm usually quite lefty but in these instances I'm more to the right. If you're given the right of asylum/refuge in this country it's with the implicit understanding you follow its laws. Failure to do so results in the automatic recinding of that right. If you're willing to break the law knowing it will result in you being sent back then you can't actually believe that you're in that much danger.

 

[clint van damme]

I know I'm usually quite lefty but in these instances I'm more to the right. If you're given the right of asylum/refuge in this country it's with the implicit understanding you follow its laws. Failure to do so results in the automatic recinding of that right. If you're willing to break the law knowing it will result in you being sent back then you can't actually believe that you're in that much danger.

breaking the law doesn't result in the automatic recinding of that right though according to the law. Automatic deportation only happens when the offender has been given a custodial of 12 month or more.
Perhaps it needs changing so that it does. Especially in the event of a violence related offence.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Bet any money David and all his leftie crew would be the first to label anyone who wants criminals like him deported racist....

Get shot of this bastard. I don't care . Deportation is too good for what he's done.
" What good will that do ? "
Who cares.

 

[David O'Day]

breaking the law doesn't result in the automatic recinding of that right though according to the law. Automatic deportation only happens when the offender has been given a custodial of 12 month or more.
Perhaps it needs changing so that it does. Especially in the event of a violence related offence.

It does need to be looked at but sensibly as we can't no matter what some people would like have minor traffic offences resulting deportation.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

breaking the law doesn't result in the automatic recinding of that right though according to the law. Automatic deportation only happens when the offender has been given a custodial of 12 month or more.
Perhaps it needs changing so that it does. Especially in the event of a violence related offence.

Perhaps I should've been clearer that that's how I think it should be rather than how it actually is.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

It does need to be looked at but sensibly as we can't no matter what some people would like have minor traffic offences resulting deportation.

We have an immigration points system to come in, why not one for deportation? So even if someone constantly breaks the law but at a low level they still run the risk on a totting up basis. Any kind of physical assault or threat should be automatic. Theft should maybe be two strikes. Minor drug offences three. Minor driving offences maybe half a dozen.

 

[Nick]

It does need to be looked at but sensibly as we can't no matter what some people would like have minor traffic offences resulting deportation.

Violence should be though. Which his offences were.

Good to see you take it to the extreme to try and prove a point.

 

[clint van damme]

Violence should be though. Which his offences were.

Good to see you take it to the extreme to try and prove a point.

and sex offences.

 

[Nick]

and sex offences.

Standard.

Get fucking rid.

I'm sure in Libya he would be taken round the back and shot.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

I can set up a payment plan. If he cuts out teh KFC he can pay get the payments down quicker.

Cut out the kfc haha you trying to say I’m fat? Completely the opposite you sad bastard haha

 

[David O'Day]

Cut out the kfc haha you trying to say I’m fat? Completely the opposite you sad bastard haha

We can arrange a direct debit?

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

I bet any money when that extreme right lad from Kent got jailed a few weeks ago for planning to fly to the States and bomb camp America you were gutted and are now writing to him in prison.

The fuck is wrong with you? You need to go over what you just put and have a good look at yourself fucking sicko

should be embarrassed making a statement like that, left or right there both terrorists

 

[Monners]

It isn’t anything to do with left and right is it. Fucking grow up.

Does anyone know the political persuasions of the people who were killed or injured?

Have petty, embarrassing arguments about something else please - not this

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

We can arrange a direct debit?

Calm yourself you Sauceless geeza