Thorn Starting to get impatient? (18 Viewers)

[Nonleagueherewecome]

Walking would be giving up. If you know anything about Thorn as a man-much of which can be gleaned from a passing knowledge of his gutsy, brave, determined playing career-you will understand that he is not a quitter! And I'm still waiting for the quote where he said that. Don't tell me it's because he *shock horror* didn't!!?!

 

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[ccfcway]

well, whilst i cant be bothered to look, i remember him saying he would walk if not backed for an immediate return, or something very similar to those words

 

[Astute]

(the fact he combines two jobs at the moment goes against that)

He is a better manager than me. I could be our scout with the amount of players we are bringing in though

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

There are still opposition teams to scout Astute

 

[Grendel]

Walking would be giving up. If you know anything about Thorn as a man-much of which can be gleaned from a passing knowledge of his gutsy, brave, determined playing career-you will understand that he is not a quitter! And I'm still waiting for the quote where he said that. Don't tell me it's because he *shock horror* didn't!!?!

After the Croatia defeat Steve McLaren said "I'm no quitter" - I thought that was due to the £3 million due on his contract - now I realise how wrong I was.

 

[cheever]

Thorn is either an idiot for believing SISU's bullshit, or he is part of the bullshit brigade.
Either way I cannot see him resigning because future employment opportunities would be limited to being a scout somewhere.

Have you got a hammer in your hand, BB? You have just hit the nail on the head....

 

[Astute]

There are still opposition teams to scout Astute

Ah sorry I forgot to scout our opponents during the closed season and before next seasons fixture list is out

 

[sky blue john]

Boring yawn.
Turned into another Thorn bashing post with some praying for him to walk.
Anyone would think looking at this website that Thorn is totally responsible for the downfall of our club on and off the field.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Ah sorry I forgot to scout our opponents during the closed season and before next seasons fixture list is out

I meant during the regular season, pedant!

 

[SydneySkyBlue]

Thorn is probably just as prepared as we are for him to receive jack shit.

"i’m assured it’s all being taken care of and we can’t wait because i am itching to get going and it will be the first time i have had chance to freshen things up."

Surely he's not that naïve. I think he's playing along here, building up the pressure on SISU to deliver on their promise. Building up the shit storm coming their way if they don't. :claping hands:

 

[Grendel]

Boring yawn.
Turned into another Thorn bashing post with some praying for him to walk.
Anyone would think looking at this website that Thorn is totally responsible for the downfall of our club on and off the field.

No they wouldn't form that judgement at all. Thorn bashing - what with a feather duster? He has the easiest job in the football league.

 

[Grendel]

Thorn is probably just as prepared as we are for him to receive jack shit.

"i’m assured it’s all being taken care of and we can’t wait because i am itching to get going and it will be the first time i have had chance to freshen things up."

Surely he's not that naïve. I think he's playing along here, building up the pressure on SISU to deliver on their promise. Building up the shit storm coming their way if they don't. :claping hands:

I assume you are being ironic here?

 

[SydneySkyBlue]

He has the easiest job in the football league.

It's because of statements like these that the WUM acronym was created.

Subtle as a sledgehammer mind.

 

[Grendel]

It's because of statements like these that the WUM acronym was created.

Subtle as a sledgehammer mind.

My definition of easy is where you can manage an organisation to its worst performance in 60 years be statistically (I know you love your facts) the worst manager in history and still be under no serious pressure from your employer. Expectancy level is below zero. So tell me what is hard about it?

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

When did AT make this I will quit comment and what did he actually say?

Has anyone still got a link to the original story, I missed it completely?

I think he would be more sensible just saying if they give me no signings as it stands, I will do my best to keep the club up but as you have seen before it will be hard.

Some signings, with a bit of luck and hardly any injuries lets see what can happen. I will keep the club up but who knows what else.

If they give me a signing for each player that has left and maybe one or two on top ie a football squad then I am going for the play offs and above and anything else is a failure.

That would be a wiser thing to say than if SISU dont give me signings I quit. He can still do a good job as a manager with no signings its just the goals are different.

Dunno if this has been said, but when asked if he would be here next season he said they had asked him to stay on for next season and AT replied he had agreed to stay on the condition he had proper backing from the owners and board.

 

[SydneySkyBlue]

My definition of easy is where you can manage an organisation to its worst performance in 60 years be statistically (I know you love your facts) the worst manager in history and still be under no serious pressure from your employer. Expectancy level is below zero. So tell me what is hard about it?

The trouble is part of me thinks you really do believe these things. So I'm going to bite...

This would be the famous anti-Thorn stat that ignores any kind of context and that there may possibly be a parallel in there somewhere with regards to investment... :facepalm:

 

[dongonzalos]

Dunno if this has been said, but when asked if he would be here next season he said they had asked him to stay on for next season and AT replied he had agreed to stay on the condition he had proper backing from the owners and board.

Interesting. Will see if I can find it.
I suppose if this is what he said he could always turn round and say. In light of the finances. They are giving me the best backing they possibly can.......

 

[dongonzalos]

My definition of easy is where you can manage an organisation to its worst performance in 60 years be statistically (I know you love your facts) the worst manager in history and still be under no serious pressure from your employer. Expectancy level is below zero. So tell me what is hard about it?

Are you refering to the various sisu board members here or AT.

 

[Grendel]

The trouble is part of me thinks you really do believe these things. So I'm going to bite...

This would be the famous anti-Thorn stat that ignores any kind of context and that there may possibly be a parallel in there somewhere with regards to investment... :facepalm:

As far as I am aware things like context in investment are subjective. I prefer to deal in facts. However, your defence of him proves my point - an easy job without expectation and pressure. The rolling contract will continue to roll on.

 

[dongonzalos]

Do you think Dennis wise will come here Duffy.

 

[dongonzalos]

In reality though, you coulf throw that jibe to any manager who takes the helm, that they have the easiest job in the world. As, as you rightly point out the owners setup for failure.
The only way this debate will ever end is if they set up for success and get failure. Like with Coleman.

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

Interesting. Will see if I can find it.
I suppose if this is what he said he could always turn round and say. In light of the finances. They are giving me the best backing they possibly can.......

"The club has asked me if I will stay and I have asked for assurance that they will give me some help with some good players coming in.
"We'll just take it from there. I've spoken to them and said that it needs to be restructured and sometimes out of this you can come back stronger, but the player side needs addressing massively and they have assured me they will."

http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/co...ry-city-manager-92746-30810289/#ixzz1xWn7b5kX
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[Grendel]

In reality though, you coulf throw that jibe to any manager who takes the helm, that they have the easiest job in the world. As, as you rightly point out the owners setup for failure.
The only way this debate will ever end is if they set up for success and get failure. Like with Coleman.

Coleman has a 29% win ratio. Since World War 1 we have I think had 37 managers. Harry Pollitt is an AT fan. He was the first post war manager and our worst with a win ratio of 20.4%. Now AT has eclipsed him with 18.3% but yeah he's great.

 

[georgehudson]

i just don't get the sisu apologists,
how on earth is managing CCFC easy ?
zero funds, players sold without your control,
total lack of communication @ board level to anyone,
oh hang on we've got a PR guru in mr clarke, mmm,
this club has been blatantly miss-managed for the last 4 yrs, (& many years before),
that absolves no-one,
and still we hear 'the sound of silence',
so to those who profess to be superior, please give us your master plan

 

[Macca]

It's because of statements like these that the WUM acronym was created.

Subtle as a sledgehammer mind.

I ve always been convinced that the acronym in question was invented for when people didn't like others point of view

 

[Colonel Mustard]

This would be the famous anti-Thorn stat that ignores any kind of context...

False.

Scan your eyes across the online CCFC community - the likes of KDuffy, Macca, Nick, LordSummerisle, LeamingtonBootBoy, most of the boys at GMK (Knowl, USSkyblue off the top of my head). Are they all wind-up merchants? Do they all ignore the context? I normally wouldn't isolate one statement aimed at one user, but this has been a recurring "argument" from AT supporters throughout the season.

Context has never been ignored. Nobody expected a great season because of corporate belt-tightening. Relegation may well have happened under any manager.

But that context has nothing to do with issues of tactics, character, motivational skills...ultimately whether he was getting the most out of the limited resources he had. That's a question that should be demanded of any manager regardless of whether they have the resources of Accrington Stanley or Barcelona. In AT's case it has been a very fair question to ask for some considerable time.

What I'm keen on knowing is how far you will let this "context" protect AT. Exactly how low would CCFC have to sink before you figure that it might be worth a change of manager to see if they can improve results?

 

[mark82]

False.

Scan your eyes across the online CCFC community - the likes of KDuffy, Macca, Nick, LordSummerisle, LeamingtonBootBoy, most of the boys at GMK (Knowl, USSkyblue off the top of my head). Are they all wind-up merchants? Do they all ignore the context? I normally wouldn't isolate one statement aimed at one user, but this has been a recurring "argument" from AT supporters throughout the season.

Context has never been ignored. Nobody expected a great season because of corporate belt-tightening. Relegation may well have happened under any manager.

But that context has nothing to do with issues of tactics, character, motivational skills...ultimately whether he was getting the most out of the limited resources he had. That's a question that should be demanded of any manager regardless of whether they have the resources of Accrington Stanley or Barcelona. In AT's case it has been a very fair question to ask for some considerable time.

What I'm keen on knowing is how far you will let this "context" protect AT. Exactly how low would CCFC have to sink before you figure that it might be worth a change of manager to see if they can improve results?

For me anything but an immediate return to championship should be seen as failure this year.

 

[smileycov]

For me anything but an immediate return to championship should be seen as failure this year.

We have released or sold 3-4 already from a threadbare squad, may well lose Keogh and Cranie and had 0 coming in so far!! Yep anything other than promotion is failure without doubt :facepalm:

 

[ccfcway]

well, I know i a staple as a CCFC fan, but "expect failure"

No way will we get promotion

 

[mark82]

We have released or sold 3-4 already from a threadbare squad, may well lose Keogh and Cranie and had 0 coming in so far!! Yep anything other than promotion is failure without doubt :facepalm:

As a club we should be expecting promotion. We are the 2nd biggest club in the division. Not saying it would be all the managers fault but a club our size should be able to achieve promotion even on a budget. I expect top 6.

 

[smileycov]

I agree totally, but the more players we lose, the longer we go without recruiting new blood. The further we will slide. I do believe that IF we bought only 3-4 players that AT actually wanted we will bre okay. However, at this rate and going on previous SISU actions. At best we will get 1 - 2 last minute take em or leave hole fillers. Not good enough.

 

[Grendel]

I agree totally, but the more players we lose, the longer we go without recruiting new blood. The further we will slide. I do believe that IF we bought only 3-4 players that AT actually wanted we will bre okay. However, at this rate and going on previous SISU actions. At best we will get 1 - 2 last minute take em or leave hole fillers. Not good enough.

With the worst manager in our history the players "he wanted" will not be good enough anyway. You also need a few other things from the manager - little things like tactics, motivation, drive and discipline. Things he lacks so whatever the budget failure is inevitable but nice to see the case for the defence is being prepared early.

 

[dongonzalos]

With the worst manager in our history the players "he wanted" will not be good enough anyway. You also need a few other things from the manager - little things like tactics, motivation, drive and discipline. Things he lacks so whatever the budget failure is inevitable but nice to see the case for the defence is being prepared early.

Sorry Duffy but unfortunately this is not a kangaroo court

Case for prosecution (or is that persecution) according to you, no matter what funding players or support the manager is given he will fail

Evidence presented for this none as despite the managers first 10 games in charge since then the owners have gone hell bent on a cost cutting and insufficient replacement exercise.

Case for the defence (or rational thinking person) Impossible to judge him until he is given the normal tools for the job if he then fails sack him. If he succeeds then he is suitable.

Mitigation presented his first 10 games he took on the same players that had been on a dismal run and got some better results from the same players and some would argue got them playing poor football to more attractive football.

Basically it is impossible to fairly and impartially judge AT unless he does get some signings. You yourself have said on here at some point, we need at least 7 including 3 strikers.

Personally I think it is more, but if that is what you think maybe you should give him a break then judge him if he gets what you think it is needed to compete.

 

[smileycov]

With the worst manager in our history the players "he wanted" will not be good enough anyway. You also need a few other things from the manager - little things like tactics, motivation, drive and discipline. Things he lacks so whatever the budget failure is inevitable but nice to see the case for the defence is being prepared early.

Who said anything about " case for the defence" you join in other peoples chat's just to start an anti AT dig again!! I said without players in we will not achieve promotion, you really are a complete PRICK! thanks to dickheads like you, i am off this site. It is impossible to get a decent debate going with you and your cockboy sidekicks.

 

[aodea]

Well where to start. andy Thorn can come out and say he is getting frustrated and he no doubt is by whats going on but he should be smart enough to know that things are not going to change. He has probably been told to identify a few players to bring in and has done this but that is all he can do and i firmly belive that sisu will scrap a few loans together and a free or two but no where what we need or even what Andy Thorn has earmarked.

from a personal point of view why would he walk away? he is managing a club. What is his alternative quit because he was lied to and go back to Scouting or coaching somewhere else. The experince he will gain from managing a club in this situation is huge for him. If he leaves out of some moral code who would give him a chance to manage again? however stay at Coventry and maybe get them up against all odds and his stock is huge.

I dont think he is brillant but look how hard it is for us to get a player? situation we are in? losing money? if he left/was sacked who can we get to come in? Lee Carsley? will he do any better?

For the moment Thorn is in charge and that aint going to change. Owners need to be sorted out first then we can worry about the rest.

I love this club and everyone is hurting. All you can do is have faith.