Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (149 Viewers)

[Saddlebrains]

Not far away from now people will start getting colds and the flu, which in schools spread pretty quickly. In likelihood cold or flu probably causes more harm on average to a child than Covid does. We never used to insist on such measures for the viruses that have been with us for many years and which present clear and obvious symptoms in most who catch them, including norovirus. Now a disease arrives where the vast majority of cases present with no symptoms at all and we are insisting on all types of control measures. Either scrap them all or stay in full and proper lockdown.

In 884 pages, this is probably the best post out the lot

 

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[chiefdave]

This certainly isn't good news.

Hong Kong reports 'first case' of virus reinfection

Experts say no conclusions on immunity can be drawn from one patient - and larger studies are needed.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[fernandopartridge]

I think there is some theory that previous exposure to cold (coronavirus) can help the T cell response to this one. There was speculation that people with young children had a degree of immunity because they're more exposed to colds etc via their children.

 

[fernandopartridge]

This certainly isn't good news.

Hong Kong reports 'first case' of virus reinfection

Experts say no conclusions on immunity can be drawn from one patient - and larger studies are needed.

www.bbc.co.uk

The person was asymptomatic the second time which is positive news tbh. However, experience in Iran is different:

 

[David O'Day]

coventrys rolling 7 day total is going down which is good

 

[Great_Expectations]

Great to hear as ours just starts nursery

Ours starts next week too; brilliant timing! Especially with baby number two a few weeks away.

 

[Ian1779]

I would be pleased to see this put in place in England... just seems sensible.

Scots pupils to wear face coverings from 31 August

 

[chiefdave]

UoW and CU will both be operating at reduced capacity for the foreseeable future.

 

[David O'Day]

UoW and CU will both be operating at reduced capacity for the foreseeable future.

But but there's loads of spaces for new students this year.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

They're tough in Australia!

Covid: Woman in Australia jailed for six months over quarantine breach

Asher Faye Vander Sanden arrived secretly in Western Australia to avoid a 14-day quarantine.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[David O'Day]

They're tough in Australia!

Covid: Woman in Australia jailed for six months over quarantine breach

Asher Faye Vander Sanden arrived secretly in Western Australia to avoid a 14-day quarantine.

www.bbc.co.uk

I'm all for punishing people who do this but this does sit right with me

 

[David O'Day]

Coronavirus: Face coverings U-turn for England’s secondary schools

Pupils must wear masks in corridors in local lockdown areas after the government reversed its guidance.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[fernandopartridge]

Coronavirus: Face coverings U-turn for England’s secondary schools

Pupils must wear masks in corridors in local lockdown areas after the government reversed its guidance.

www.bbc.co.uk

Usual cop out though, let's put the decision in the hands of a head master who will deal with the fallout

 

[larry_david]

Just sat in a pizza express the size of my kitchen with about 15 other strangers. No masks. How is that fine but walking in morrisons 930pm with no fucker in but masks are mandatory. Bout time we snapped out of this bollocks eh

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Just sat in a pizza express the size of my kitchen with about 15 other strangers. No masks. How is that fine but walking in morrisons 930pm with no fucker in but masks are mandatory. Bout time we snapped out of this bollocks eh

You mean allow the virus free reign or what?

 

[larry_david]

I mean one rule for one indoor place one for another. You know they'll buckle and get masks in place for offices next

 

[David O'Day]

I mean one rule for one indoor place one for another. You know they'll buckle and get masks in place for offices next

So your argument is because you were in an unsafe environment all environments should be unsafe.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I mean one rule for one indoor place one for another. You know they'll buckle and get masks in place for offices next

Which would be good because that reduces the risk of people being infected by others

 

[larry_david]

I dunno what my argument is tbh. Just wonder why it's mandatory in one place but not when sitting down still for 2 hours having food served. Seems odd no?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I dunno what my argument is tbh. Just wonder why it's mandatory in one place but not when sitting down still for 2 hours having food served. Seems odd no?

See, I get the argument for food as you have to eat, can't do that through a mask. A takeaway is another matter. Didn't for the life of me get why it was ok in a library, but not a shop... and offices I don't know as the medical advice is muddied - certainly seems sensible not to encourage people in unnecessarily, and once there masks probably wouldn't do any harm.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

You mean allow the virus free reign or what?

It was allowed free reign countless times when huge numbers of people crammed themselves in to outdoor spaces. It will also be allowed free reign when schools go back and it seems that the wearing of a piece of cloth over your face supersedes everything else. Then ask why it is that such precautions are needed and it’s because so many could carry the virus without symptoms as opposed to the viruses that invariably always cause symptoms.

It may sound churlish but if you are going to reopen something then do it fully or not at all. If it’s going to be with us for years then I’m sorry but people are going to catch it, a small percentage will need to go to hospital and a smaller percentage might die. That is how it has long been with the other diseases that have been in our midst for much longer and yet we never insisted on such regulation. I apologise for ranting but in a few months when other diseases arrive that show symptoms it could send society potty because of a virus that typically doesn’t.

 

[Saddlebrains]

Its frustrating that the media are still looking at scaremongering.

Always browse sky news when i wake up, and today im met with 'second wave will hit france in November'.

Oh it WILL will it? Wheres the proof?

Also 'Is the 2 metre rule outdated' medical evidence shows 8 metres.

Fuck me if everyone stayed 8 metres apart no one would ever do anything.

Thats on top of how the headlines of amount of deaths shifted to amount of cases to continue the doom mongering. Its all very sad

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

It was allowed free reign countless times when huge numbers of people crammed themselves in to outdoor spaces. It will also be allowed free reign when schools go back and it seems that the wearing of a piece of cloth over your face supersedes everything else. Then ask why it is that such precautions are needed and it’s because so many could carry the virus without symptoms as opposed to the viruses that invariably always cause symptoms.

It may sound churlish but if you are going to reopen something then do it fully or not at all. If it’s going to be with us for years then I’m sorry but people are going to catch it, a small percentage will need to go to hospital and a smaller percentage might die. That is how it has long been with the other diseases that have been in our midst for much longer and yet we never insisted on such regulation. I apologise for ranting but in a few months when other diseases arrive that show symptoms it could send society potty because of a virus that typically doesn’t.

Oh that’s no rant and I think you are correct about managing the risk and consistent mask and social distancing and washing hands and not touching your face will be the norm.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Oh that’s no rant and I think you are correct about managing the risk and consistent mask and social distancing and washing hands and not touching your face will be the norm.

In a school these measures are close to unenforceable when a teacher isn’t around and even if they are behaviour will still be too casual. If you are going to let everybody back then drop the pretence of reducing transmission. What are we going to do, for the rest of time insist that a teacher can’t go around the classroom to help individuals? Make a waiter in a restaurant always put the food on a tray away from the table? We really risk losing all kind of rationality in day to day life because of this.

 

[ajsccfc]

Encouraging news about Warwick is that when we go back in they're insisting on face coverings regardless of general national advice, an on-campus testing centre with quick turnaround and local tracing system

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Encouraging news about Warwick is that when we go back in they're insisting on face coverings regardless of general national advice, an on-campus testing centre with quick turnaround and local tracing system

I hope that ends up the university norm

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Encouraging news about Warwick is that when we go back in they're insisting on face coverings regardless of general national advice, an on-campus testing centre with quick turnaround and local tracing system

Will those with recent negative tests still have to wear masks?

 

[clint van damme]

Its frustrating that the media are still looking at scaremongering.

Always browse sky news when i wake up, and today im met with 'second wave will hit france in November'.

Oh it WILL will it? Wheres the proof?

Also 'Is the 2 metre rule outdated' medical evidence shows 8 metres.

Fuck me if everyone stayed 8 metres apart no one would ever do anything.

Thats on top of how the headlines of amount of deaths shifted to amount of cases to continue the doom mongering. Its all very sad

the 8 metre thing was reported in the BMJ and is the finding of a university study. It's hardly scaremongering to report it, there'd be something wrong if they didn't.

 

[David O'Day]

I dunno what my argument is tbh. Just wonder why it's mandatory in one place but not when sitting down still for 2 hours having food served. Seems odd no?

depends on how far apart the tables were and what mitigating acts the venue took. You should still be 2m apart unless the venue has taken action to mitigate the risks i.e. screens and then you can be up to 1m apart.

The issue with supermarkets is people don't stay social distanced, they will cut within the 2m regulary and that is why they think you would need a mask in there. Remember the mask isn't to stop you getting the virus it's stop you unknowingly passing it on.

 

[Evo1883]

I'm all for punishing people who do this but this does sit right with me

It's ridiculous tbh

 

[ajsccfc]

Will those with recent negative tests still have to wear masks?

Not covered in that much detail yet but they're compiling answers so there should be more detail pretty soon hopefully

 

[Ian1779]

In a school these measures are close to unenforceable when a teacher isn’t around and even if they are behaviour will still be too casual. If you are going to let everybody back then drop the pretence of reducing transmission. What are we going to do, for the rest of time insist that a teacher can’t go around the classroom to help individuals? Make a waiter in a restaurant always put the food on a tray away from the table? We really risk losing all kind of rationality in day to day life because of this.

Masks for kids in corridors and social time spaces is sensible (apart from a designated eating area for example) in a class is going to be the difficult one. The kids can’t socially distance in a classroom and at the moment as a teacher the guidance is to stay away at the front and not circulate around. Maybe visors are the next steps so staff can go over and support kids?

I am happier with the masks for both myself but also my daughter who is expected to return to school as normal next week after spending 5 months being shielded due to being high risk.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Masks for kids in corridors and social time spaces is sensible (apart from a designated eating area for example) in a class is going to be the difficult one. The kids can’t socially distance in a classroom and at the moment as a teacher the guidance is to stay away at the front and not circulate around. Maybe visors are the next steps so staff can go over and support kids?

I am happier with the masks for both myself but also my daughter who is expected to return to school as normal next week after spending 5 months being shielded due to being high risk.

I have a fundamental problem with the whole thing I’m afraid.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Will those with recent negative tests still have to wear masks?

I'd have thought so because you could have the negative test then on the way out of the building contract it. So by the time you've got the negative result you could actually be positive. It's a snapshot of one moment in time - it doesn't give you immunity for the next week.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

I'm all for punishing people who do this but this does sit right with me

Seems excessive IMO. You could get less for actually assaulting someone.