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There's also the fact you still need to pay for maintenance, and if you've lost your job, may need the capital.
Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (4 Viewers)
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chiefdave
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Across the whole of England positive tests have risen 27% in a week, despite the number of tests dropping. Hospital admission and patients on ventilators doesn't seem to be going up though which I guess is good news. No idea if that is the virus becoming 'weaker', its younger people getting infected who don't seem to be as badly affected or treatment improving.
We're only just over a week away from schools reopening which Whitty suggested would require a trade off with something else closing yet there has been no mention of that despite rising rates.
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It's younger people being affected, in the main.
Ian1779
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I’m here looking at the situation in Northampton where I teach wondering if they are going to go into local lockdown. The rate is much higher than Birmingham currently. There seems little in terms of potential planning if they were to do some trade-offs to ensure schools open next month.
chiefdave
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Germany have extended their furlough scheme for 24 months. German finance minister, Olaf Scholz said “The corona crisis won’t suddenly disappear in the next few weeks. Businesses and employees need a clear signal from the government: we’ve got your back for the long haul in this crisis, so that no one is being let go without need.”
www.theguardian.com
Using government figures to extend the scheme to 24 months here would cost a total of £336bn, although you would expect the monthly cost to decrease over time as more people go back to work. We spent £500bn bailing out the banks without batting an eyelid.
Germany to extend coronavirus furlough to 24 months
Angela Merkel backs proposal to continue Kurzarbeit part-time working scheme
Meanwhile.
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Plus some restrictions introduced in Birmingham.
'Don’t fear second wave - virus is getting less angry' says medic
The intensive care consultant, who works at University Hospitals Birmingham NHS Foundation Trust hospitals, says poorly patients are not increasing despite rise in infections
Plus some restrictions introduced in Birmingham.
Yes, I've been hearing this a bit recently. I suppose it depends on the timescales being used. Testing has noticeably risen compared to say June and July but the amount of testing has been very similar throughout all of August so I'm not sure that's actually correct. We are seeing a slight increase in cases.
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tbh as people socialise more, it's inevitable cases rise - that surely can't be argued!
It's whether they rise too much or not. atm, it's looking ominous. it had better hold off for a while yet though, don't want to be cancelling my sodding wedding *again*!
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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I agree it's looking a bit ominous but I am pleased that deaths/hospital admissions are staying low, suggesting the virus might be becoming less lethal and we can afford to loosen up a bit.
Still wary on how it might be in the colder months when flu etc goes around and how the two together could cause problems for people, or indeed how flu may be with those that have had and recovered from Covid, esp those that had it quite severely and may have suffered lung damage from it. Also even with a weakened strain the effect it may have on older and more vulnerable people during a time of the year when the immune system is more compromised.
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That tallies, though, with the things being loosened up being the things people younger are able to cope with more (pubs etc.). now that's fine... but what we don't want, is them then spreading it elsewhere and having collatoral damage.
The test will be come late September onwards, really. If that's still looking good, happy days. if not, we need to row back, and fast.
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Germany have extended their furlough scheme for 24 months. German finance minister, Olaf Scholz said “The corona crisis won’t suddenly disappear in the next few weeks. Businesses and employees need a clear signal from the government: we’ve got your back for the long haul in this crisis, so that no one is being let go without need.”
Using government figures to extend the scheme to 24 months here would cost a total of £336bn, although you would expect the monthly cost to decrease over time as more people go back to work. We spent £500bn bailing out the banks without batting an eyelid.Germany to extend coronavirus furlough to 24 months
Angela Merkel backs proposal to continue Kurzarbeit part-time working scheme
But we all pay for it, either in terms of reduced services, higher taxes, lower wages. I can't expect people's hearts to bleed for me but in the civil service we've taken a real terms 20% pay and pension cut over the last 8 years.
Haven't had a flu vaccination invite yet.
chiefdave
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It's the same everywhere. I'm private sector and have had one pay increase since 2008! Equates to a 22% pay cut over that time.
Guess the argument is paying out for furlough is better for the economy than having millions unemployed. I've looked at my situation and if I don't go back to work before the furlough scheme ends what I'd be entitled to wouldn't even cover my mortgage. I'd be completely screwed and there will be millions in the same position.
chiefdave
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You can book them online for Lloyds Chemists and they don't charge you if you meet the NHS criteria.
Ian1779
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2/3 weeks into the new school term we will learn a lot about how kids contribute to the virus spreading. I am crossing everything to hope it’s not an issue but I am ominous about it.
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Think it might take a bit longer to kick in tbh but yeah, big tests ahead!
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Will teachers etc being getting tested much?
Ian1779
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No idea to be honest - we’ve not been told anything about this from either school or union. There was talk a couple of weeks ago about weekly/fortnightly tests but nothing has come through further on that.
I do want the schools back open, but there are a few simple things that could go in place to support this such as temp checks at start of school, masks for adults when kids at lunch/break. Little things that could go a long way to reduce inevitable spread in schools.
Lets see what comes through this week.....
Saddlebrains
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'Coronavirus getting less angry' says Mids doctor
Dr Ron Daniels is an intensivist based at Good Hope Hospital
Adding more fuel to the fire. It's not what it was
fernandopartridge
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Florida in the USA was saying this mid summer, cases were up with no hospitalisation and few deaths, it was only cos the average age of those infected was much lower. Eventually it started to spread to the more vulnerable and the hospitals filled up and deaths went up.'Coronavirus getting less angry' says Mids doctor
Dr Ron Daniels is an intensivist based at Good Hope Hospitalwww.coventrytelegraph.net
Adding more fuel to the fire. It's not what it was
David O'Day
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Coronavirus: Staff and pupils test positive in Dundee school outbreak
All staff and students have been told to self-isolate, while contact tracing has identified further cases.
chiefdave
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Haven't got kids but if I did having seen how many issues there have been in a week of schools being open in Scotland and listened to how carefully Harries was choosing her words this morning talking about "the risk to the child themselves" there's no way I'd be sending them back. Not to mention the huge difference between the preparations to make schools safe in other countries compared to here where virtually nothing seems to have been done.Coronavirus: Staff and pupils test positive in Dundee school outbreak
All staff and students have been told to self-isolate, while contact tracing has identified further cases.news.sky.com
Saddlebrains
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But what about childrens education? They've been off for 6 months. Im not slating your opinion btw i just feel we have to have schools back. Any more time away from education and friends and we will have a generation of mental illness through the roof
Sky Blue Pete
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Happy it has to happen but we need a clear plan that everyone follows when infections start to happen
chiefdave
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Personally I don't have any confidence that the government has properly examined the evidence and carefully considered the balance between education requirements, mental health and the risk of spreading the virus. Maybe someone who works in education will post and tell us of measures being put in place to ensure safety and a plan to deal with any outbreaks.
Sky Blue Pete
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That’s very unlikely isn’t it
Brighton Sky Blue
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Each class stays in the same room all day with teachers moving between them. I am not allowed to go beyond a designated area at the front of the room and if I want to hand anything out it has to be done from the front going back. Practicals can only be done sparingly as the lab must be deep cleaned after use which in effect means that practicals are off the cards for the most part. Homework is being set online to minimise contact with students books and work.
Lunch and break are at staggered times so that students and teachers can have their packed lunches in designated areas. Additional duties are in place for teachers to make sure year groups remain in their bubbles. If a student presents Covid symptoms in a lesson they have to go to reception immediately and if students are absent due to Covid I have to record myself on a headset.
In essence it is minimal disruption for the kids and maximum for the staff.
dutchman
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The government doesn't care about any of that, they just want the parents back at work and paying taxes.
Brighton Sky Blue
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My personal view is that either everyone should go back to school without bubbles or distancing, or it should all continue remotely. The halfway house measures are just unworkable
Saddlebrains
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I would agree with that. But i would go further and say we do that for everything. Lock it down or crack on.I will get abuse for that im sure