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Sky Blue Pete
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And sports activities that are Covid secure
skybluetony176
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Reports that the Oxford vaccine trials have been halted as someone taking part has fallen seriously ill. Not the news anyone wanted to wake up to.
Saddlebrains
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Predictable but depressing.
Hospitalisations still fuck all. Thats what we have to protect. And dont start at me with the 'yea but that happens a few weeks after'.
It didnt after the pubs opened, packed beaches, V.E day etc.
Soul destroying this is
Hospitalisations still fuck all. Thats what we have to protect. And dont start at me with the 'yea but that happens a few weeks after'.
It didnt after the pubs opened, packed beaches, V.E day etc.
Soul destroying this is
ajsccfc
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Apparently this is the second time they've had to do so in the trial so far and is a fairly expected practice so here's hoping.
From today Warwick are operating both a track and trace for staff and students and more encouragingly, a testing centre on campus which is welcome news now people are being sent miles away for their nearest centre
From today Warwick are operating both a track and trace for staff and students and more encouragingly, a testing centre on campus which is welcome news now people are being sent miles away for their nearest centre
David O'Day
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David O'Day
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Forgive me for being old fashioned but I remember when to be the BoE's Chief Economist you had had to understand basic economic concepts like mass unemployment is a bad thing.
www.theguardian.com
Bank of England's top economist warns against furlough scheme extension
Andy Haldane says extension to job retention scheme risks delaying ‘inevitable’ shake-out of firms hit by Covid-19
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Ah, the young - they missed the glory days of Maggie, Milton and the Phillips Curve, and when (quite incredibly now) M0 and M3 targets were headlined on the BBC news.
I've been wondering what with all the hocus pocus style communication and how people responded accordingly.
Is the going hard on the young designed to curtail their activity or boost the generational divide?
Young lad from Bolton on TV this morning accepted some of the finger pointing but made a valid point.
It's no one's fault really is it?
Is the going hard on the young designed to curtail their activity or boost the generational divide?
Young lad from Bolton on TV this morning accepted some of the finger pointing but made a valid point.
It's no one's fault really is it?
David O'Day
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The communication is awful.
Young people if you are in the same place as more than 6 people you know you are evil
Everyone else if you don't want to get on public transport with hundreds of other people and go to an office with tons of other people you are killing the uk
Tory cunts
Young people if you are in the same place as more than 6 people you know you are evil
Everyone else if you don't want to get on public transport with hundreds of other people and go to an office with tons of other people you are killing the uk
Tory cunts
SkyBlueDom26
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Let’s not forget all the people losing their livelihoods, not being able to get treatments in hospitals and so on when the hospitalisation admissions and deaths are very low now
Shut up you stupid c**t talking shit as usual thousands more aren’t going to die
David O'Day
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No one is going to lose their livelihoods because more than 6 people are unable to meet. No Businesses have to close
What the fuck does this have to do with hospital treatments you daft c**t?
I'll listen to medical experts over you a trampy thick gimp you lives at his mums house.
Thick c**t
David O'Day
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I'm genuinely laughing that someone is so fucking stupid they think saying that groups of more than 6 people can't meet in a social situation will have any effect on hospital treatments.
I really hope you are a wum
I really hope you are a wum
fernandopartridge
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It does happen a few weeks after, you cannot let cases build up exponentially because eventually the bubble around the vulnerable bursts.
David O'Day
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Yep that's the evidence from places like Spain and France. Cases rise in the young and seemingly stay in the young but then after a while it spreads into the rest of society.
fernandopartridge
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Forgive me for being old fashioned but I remember when to be the BoE's Chief Economist you had had to understand basic economic concepts like mass unemployment is a bad thing.
Bank of England's top economist warns against furlough scheme extension
Andy Haldane says extension to job retention scheme risks delaying ‘inevitable’ shake-out of firms hit by Covid-19
They're wedded to the economic myths like a sovereign state budget being just like a household one. Useless cunts.
fernandopartridge
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Here we go, blaming people again:
www.theguardian.com
I assume you only 'need' a test if you find out your positive afterwards.
UK coronavirus: PM confirms 'rule of six' to apply in England from Monday; Whitty warns of rapid case rise – as it happened
‘Rule of six’ and Covid marshals to be brought in; Whitty says ‘huge’ expansion of testing needed before Covid-free passes can be introduced
I assume you only 'need' a test if you find out your positive afterwards.
clint van damme
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Which is shit news but also demonstrated why you can't cut the corners with the testing procedures.
skybluetony176
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Isn’t the point of testing elimination to stop the spread?Here we go, blaming people again:
UK coronavirus: PM confirms 'rule of six' to apply in England from Monday; Whitty warns of rapid case rise – as it happened
‘Rule of six’ and Covid marshals to be brought in; Whitty says ‘huge’ expansion of testing needed before Covid-free passes can be introduced
I assume you only 'need' a test if you find out your positive afterwards.
Sounds to me like the world beating track and trace system is starting to work finally and exposed another failure in the government’s handling of this. Testing.
Would it have been ever thus?Here we go, blaming people again:
UK coronavirus: PM confirms 'rule of six' to apply in England from Monday; Whitty warns of rapid case rise – as it happened
‘Rule of six’ and Covid marshals to be brought in; Whitty says ‘huge’ expansion of testing needed before Covid-free passes can be introduced
I assume you only 'need' a test if you find out your positive afterwards.
What was the number of cases when we locked down initially fp?
fernandopartridge
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2300 daily cases around 23 March albeit with I think about a quarter of testing taking place now. Pretty much all of the testing then was Pillar 1, i.e. sick people in hospital so the infection rate was clearly degrees of magnitude greater
jimmyhillsfanclub
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Forgive me for being old fashioned but I remember when to be the BoE's Chief Economist you had had to understand basic economic concepts like mass unemployment is a bad thing.
Bank of England's top economist warns against furlough scheme extension
Andy Haldane says extension to job retention scheme risks delaying ‘inevitable’ shake-out of firms hit by Covid-19
Clearly many industries need further support & extending the furlough scheme for businesses that are not yet allowed to open or cannot function effectively due to restrictions appears to be a must. I'm thinking mainly arts, music venues, theatres, small hospitality etc.
That said, he has got a bit of a point in that there are now clearly jobs that no longer exist in reality, so to continue to pay folks a couple grand a month to sit at home doing nothing, suspended in limbo & unable to look for new employment etc is not a productive use of taxpayer cash. Its just a very expensive & unfair way of delaying the inevitable. Harsh, but true.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Mind you I wish I didn’t keep getting asked what the point of year group bubbles was when you have siblings in different years. Or that teachers didn’t keep getting sniggers for wearing masks when we didn’t choose this bullshit
David O'Day
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While you have no other plans in place it is economically illiterate to just accept mass unemployment. This is the same kind of thinking at turned the 1929 crash into the great depression as the demand shock to an already demand starved economy would be massive.
If you want to remove the furlough scheme you need widespread job creation schemes to be in place or the rot will spread to "good jobs" and you'll end up in a downward spiral.
fernandopartridge
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The furlough scheme should go on for as long as it takes to get back to normal. The government can't on the one hand impose restrictions that severely reduce business demand and on the other wash their hands of the effects of it.
There is no such thing as 'taxpayer's cash'. Tax does not fund public spending, tax drives demand for the currency.
jimmyhillsfanclub
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Yep....its a tough balance to strike though, and to be fair the this fella, he hasn't just proposed they "wind it up & fuck the lot of 'em".....he has said the govt. need to move on the next stage of support.....
....what that entails is anyone guess of course.....
...We're doomed.
David O'Day
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But the government are winding down the Furlough Scheme while the only job creation program they have is a watered down future job fund that is liable to just see young people used as free labour and then moved on.
Look at thefurlough schemes in other countries and look at how long they are going on for.
jimmyhillsfanclub
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I was framing it in terms of the neoliberal world we live in.....which unfortunately ain't gonna change any time soon.....despite the opportunities the 2008 crash, Brexit, the environmental crisis & Covid19 have afforded the citizens to try re-model the world......
...but nah....We're doomed.
Sky Blue Pete
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Brighton Sky Blue
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A world in which Lesta win the PL and Trump, Johnson and Bolsonaro are all in at the same time is one not longed for survival
Sky Blue Pete
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Some really excellent points on here guys. Need Boris to read
shmmeee
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Why not offer a job seeker bonus? If you move from a furloughed role to a non then you get £1k or something? Would probably work out cheaper overall and give people and incentive to look before the shit hits the fan.
jimmyhillsfanclub
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Gets tricky though doesn't it...most folks redundancy payout will be higher than £1K......you're not gonna jump from the furlough ship if you're still getting 80% of your wedge & are waiting for a redundancy payout