The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (161 Viewers)

[Evo1883]

By doing a really shit job on Brexit and Covid he has sent support for independence through the roof

Which maybe the case, but with the new brexit bill, it effectively takes away much of the SNPs powers and strengthens Westminsters grip on Scotland,As I said, Rightly or wrongly.
Besides brexit and our opinions of shit head Johnson... Sturgeon is a one trick pony that Scotland shouldn't blindly follow.
Internal market bill that's it

Either way, it's about time somebody put sturgeon back in her box... She's a clown

 

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

Which maybe the case, but with the new brexit bill, it effectively takes away much of the SNPs powers and strengthens Westminsters grip on Scotland,As I said, Rightly or wrongly.
Besides brexit and our opinions of shit head Johnson... Sturgeon is a one trick pony that Scotland shouldn't blindly follow.
Internal market bill that's it

Either way, it's about time somebody put sturgeon back in her box... She's a clown

If public opinion up there goes overwhelmingly in favour of it then Johnson would have to act like a dictator to deny them

 

[Evo1883]

If public opinion up there goes overwhelmingly in favour of it then Johnson would have to act like a dictator to deny them

The reality is, Scotland can't play up every 5 or 6 years and westminster bows to them...it's not going to happen.
Maybe sturgeon has done more damage than some want to admit, Westminster will make sure she doesn't get her vote for Many years yet.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The reality is, Scotland can't play up every 5 or 6 years and westminster bows to them...it's not going to happen.
Maybe sturgeon has done more damage than some want to admit, Westminster will make sure she doesn't get her vote for Many years yet.

Difference is they can't block an NI referendum unless they want to break the GFA, which admittedly isn't beyond them

 

[wingy]

I can't wait for the Nation's cup to start again,or friendlies at Wembley,Hampden park and Windsor park.
Six Nations gets spicier too .

 

[skybluetony176]

Difference is they can't block an NI referendum unless they want to break the GFA, which admittedly isn't beyond them

In a sense that’s exactly what they’re proposing to do.

 

[skybluetony176]

Peston has been tipped off from a senior Tory that the Lords are going to kill this bill. The Salisbury-Addison Convention apparently means that they have to hold the Government to account on their election manifesto and the bill contradicts their not even a year old election manifesto.
#easiestdealever

 

[Evo1883]

Peston has been tipped off from a senior Tory that the Lords are going to kill this bill. The Salisbury-Addison Convention apparently means that they have to hold the Government to account on their election manifesto and the bill contradicts their not even a year old election manifesto.
#easiestdealever

I read, although could be wrong that the Lords can only delay it for 1 year.

 

[skybluetony176]

I read, although could be wrong that the Lords can only delay it for 1 year.

Could be right . Extension anyone?

 

[David O'Day]

Peston has been tipped off from a senior Tory that the Lords are going to kill this bill. The Salisbury-Addison Convention apparently means that they have to hold the Government to account on their election manifesto and the bill contradicts their not even a year old election manifesto.
#easiestdealever

Not sure about that Salisbury-Addison is the convention that the Lords don't pass wrecking bills against government bills that are expressly indicated in the governments manifesto. It hasn't ever been used to make a government stick to their manifesto pledges.

 

[Evo1883]

Could be right . Extension anyone?

It could all well be a ploy to get a further year without upsetting his supporters

 

[skybluetony176]

It could all well be a ploy to get a further year without upsetting his supporters

Can’t see them buying it to be honest. This is what happens when you take someone like Boris seriously.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Peston has been tipped off from a senior Tory that the Lords are going to kill this bill. The Salisbury-Addison Convention apparently means that they have to hold the Government to account on their election manifesto and the bill contradicts their not even a year old election manifesto.
#easiestdealever

The key word there is convention. It doesn’t carry legal weight. The government has a 80 seat majority to force the Internal Market Bill through the commons and potentially new legislation to deal with a non-compliant Lords. Which let’s not forget is an unelected house. The Lords can only defer legislation a couple of times.

Frankly, the Northern Ireland Protocol ought to be rewritten because it is messy for both the EU and the UK to govern. Won’t go into details, but I do quite a bit of customs work related to NI.

A backstop was certainly a simpler solution to the issue and probably less costly to the UK taxpayers.

 

[clint van damme]

See Pelosi has come out and said if the withdrawal agreement undermines the GFA the UK can forget about a US trade deal.

 

[David O'Day]

See Pelosi has come out and said if the withdrawal agreement undermines the GFA the UK can forget about a US trade deal.

Tellingly the Trump admin trade rep has said similar things in the past.

Also the congressman who is the chair of the committee who approves trade deals has said the same thing.

 

[David O'Day]

The key word there is convention. It doesn’t carry legal weight. The government has a 80 seat majority to force the Internal Market Bill through the commons and potentially new legislation to deal with a non-compliant Lords. Which let’s not forget is an unelected house. The Lords can only defer legislation a couple of times.

Frankly, the Northern Ireland Protocol ought to be rewritten because it is messy for both the EU and the UK to govern. Won’t go into details, but I do quite a bit of customs work related to NI.

A backstop was certainly a simpler solution to the issue and probably less costly to the UK taxpayers.

The Supreme Court is also likely to nix the bill anyway.

 

[Sick Boy]

There will be u-turn #54668 coming up then

 

[David O'Day]

There will be u-turn #54668 coming up then

The whole thing smells like a plan to try and force the hand of the EU

 

[fernandopartridge]

The whole thing smells like a plan to try and force the hand of the EU

It's pretty silly then isn't it? Why don't they get it, it is not buying a car. It is trying to negotiate a withdrawal treaty that does not conflict with any of the EU's existing treaties. We are not going to get any special deals or exemptions unlike when we were a member.

 

[David O'Day]

It's pretty silly then isn't it? Why don't they get it, it is not buying a car. It is trying to negotiate a withdrawal treaty that does not conflict with any of the EU's existing treaties. We are not going to get any special deals or exemptions unlike when we were a member.

It plays up for the brexiters though, I am beginning to suspect that no deal is what they want. Either that or they know their promised great deal is never going to happen so are laying the groundwork that will enable them to blame the EU for the shit storm the economy will become.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

The Supreme Court is also likely to nix the bill anyway.

It’s not that simple. In practice, once a legislation passes through parliament, only another act of parliament can reverse it. Our Supreme Court is not like it’s USA counterpart.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

See Pelosi has come out and said if the withdrawal agreement undermines the GFA the UK can forget about a US trade deal.

So it could prevent the opening up of the NHS?

Mind you, I'm sure if they knew there was money to be made they'd find a loophole round it.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

With the 'festival' where they're asking for creatives to come up with things to 'heal' the country...

As the entire point of Brexit has supposedly been to regain our sovereignty and control of our laws, why not have that celebration as geting parliament to use those powers to pass bills creating a fairer and more just society?

Would have far more effect on healing the country than Brexit: The Musical or the Withdrawal Agreement expressed through modern dance.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Is anyone really that surprised that Johnson is reneging on a Withdrawal Agreement given the number of kids he has?

 

[David O'Day]

It’s not that simple. In practice, once a legislation passes through parliament, only another act of parliament can reverse it. Our Supreme Court is not like it’s USA counterpart.

It can nix secondary legislation that is created from powers delegated by a primary and you can make an over whelming case to show that this is what this is.

 

[Evo1883]

I think we all know Johnson will just push for no deal rather than upset America

 

[clint van damme]

I think we all know Johnson will just push for no deal rather than upset America

But the noise coming from the States is no deal with them if he undermines the GFA.
He's got himself in a bit of a pickle - or should that be Cummings has got him in a bit of a pickle?

 

[Sick Boy]

I think we all know Johnson will just push for no deal rather than upset America

You’re majorly underestimating the Irish-American lobby over there.

 

[fernandopartridge]

I think we all know Johnson will just push for no deal rather than upset America

You do realise that no deal will upset America as it will necessitate a hard border in N.I. you can't have your cake and eat it

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

You do realise that no deal will upset America as it will necessitate a hard border in N.I. you can't have your cake and eat it

I think the government, if push came to shove, would say they won’t police the border and put the onus on the EU to police it, if at all. The issue here is that NI would be staging point for smuggling between the EU and the UK.

The issue is the customs border, because as things stand, the UK doesn’t want to police the sea border between NI and GB. Yet, the EU is policing that border on the island of Ireland.

The issue over the NI border would be taken to the WTO and so on. It is a mess.

 

[skybluetony176]

It plays up for the brexiters though, I am beginning to suspect that no deal is what they want. Either that or they know their promised great deal is never going to happen so are laying the groundwork that will enable them to blame the EU for the shit storm the economy will become.

Boris’ own sister said as much during the GE campaign. Something along the lines of Boris does not represent the voters he represents the disaster capitalist that have backed him to this point and a no deal Brexit suits them.

 

[wingy]

It all feels like a restoration of personal fiefdoms away from the corporate to me.

 

[skybluetony176]

BMW are leaving it late to save these Brexit negotiations.

 

[skybluetony176]

Even ERG members are starting to criticise the bill. Got a feeling that this might not prove to be as easy as Cummings... err, sorry, Boris thinks it will be.

 

[chiefdave]

Good news that we have an agreement in principle for a trade deal with Japan. Of course the devil will be in the detail in terms of what it gives us that last years EU - Japan deal lacked.