Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (235 Viewers)

[skybluetony176]

My personal opinion

The government have fucked this right up, didn't used to mind Johnson but I cant stand him now.

I'm hated by everybody on the political spectrum because I'm a proper centrist c**t

Green Party?

 

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[Sky Blue Pete]

I honestly feel like they are counted in the 40k deaths we have had depending on the reason.

650 doctors and nurses have died. Give your head a wobble mate come on

 

[chiefdave]

waiting for various people to crunch numbers of new employment scheme but despite some negative comments on here, seen positive responses from TUC and CBI. No scheme is going to be without it’s faults (it feels a bit clunky) but hopefully it will help keep large numbers borderline redundancies in work.

Hopefully it will work but I'm struggling to see how to be honest. Seems to rely on employers paying for hours employees haven't worked instead of just paying them for the hours worked. What benefit is there for employers to do that?

Personally not confident that relying on employers to 'do the right thing' is going to have the desired effect.

The countries that the scheme is said to be modelled on as far as I can make out only require the employer to pay for the hours worked, the state covers the remaining payment.

 

[Evo1883]

Green Party?

More a centrist as in I am happy to take ideas from both sides left and right, solving problems through realism and pragmatism rather than ideology.

I dont actually have any party affiliation.

 

[skybluetony176]

Boris has spoken

 

[Kieranp96]

650 doctors and nurses have died. Give your head a wobble mate come on

I'm not saying anything diffrent .

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

What are you saying? It’s not as bad. Deaths aren’t as bad, it’s all China and world health organisations fault and johnson is a hero

 

[Kieranp96]

What are you saying? It’s not as bad. Deaths aren’t as bad, it’s all China and world health organisations fault and johnson is a hero

Didn't say that now did I , I just said we are better of with him in charge than JC and da.

 

[Kieranp96]

What are you saying? It’s not as bad. Deaths aren’t as bad, it’s all China and world health organisations fault and johnson is a hero

I'm also saying other country's record deaths diffrently I have not onve said its not bad.

 

[skybluetony176]

I'm not saying anything diffrent .

I think the point he’s making is that less people work in the NHS than live in Greece. Less people live in care homes than Greece, which has one of the oldest populations in Europe. When you extrapolate the numbers for any demographic and compare it to pretty much any other country “we” fucked up.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Didn't say that now did I , I just said we are better of with him in charge than JC and da.

You said China and WHO were the 2 reasons we had a problem

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I think the point he’s making is that less people work in the NHS than live in Greece. Less people live in care homes than Greece, which has one of the oldest populations in Europe. When you extrapolate the numbers for any demographic and compare it to pretty much any other country “we” fucked up.

Don't forget G said it was a stupid comparison.

 

[Ian1779]

Didn't say that now did I , I just said we are better of with him in charge than JC and da.

I fundamentally disagree on this point. Only Trump could do worse than Johnson.

 

[Evo1883]

I went to my daughters school the other day and atleast half the parents weren't wearing masks... Now for me it's got to be a couple of things.
1.ridiculous stubbornness
2.thick as fuck

It's definitely not just an older generation problem, it's accross all age groups

Masks must be mandatory, and supplied free to the population

 

[skybluetony176]

Didn't say that now did I , I just said we are better of with him in charge than JC and da.

We’re better of with him in charge than Adolf Hitler. The point is it is him in charge. Straw man arguments to defend him isn’t a defence at all, it’s a measurement of the failure.

 

[skybluetony176]

I fundamentally disagree on this point. Only Trump could do worse than Johnson.

The guy from Brazil. Possibly.

 

[Kieranp96]

You said China and WHO were the 2 reasons we had a problem

Which is true, had they contained it at its source back in October November 2019 we wouldn't be having these issues around the world.

 

[Kieranp96]

We’re better of with him in charge than Adolf Hitler. The point is it is him in charge. Straw man arguments to defend him isn’t a defence at all, it’s a measurement of the failure.

Pretty sure every leader we have had one way or another has failed.

 

[Kieranp96]

I went to my daughters school the other day and atleast half the parents weren't wearing masks... Now for me it's got to be a couple of things.
1.ridiculous stubbornness
2.thick as fuck

It's definitely not just an older generation problem, it's accross all age groups

Masks must be mandatory, and supplied free to the population

I put it down to lack of respect,

 

[Kieranp96]

The guy from Brazil. Possibly.

Now he is a numpty, the guy refused to belive in the virus and it got a foothold and we'll you can see how many it's killed.

 

[skybluetony176]

I went to my daughters school the other day and atleast half the parents weren't wearing masks... Now for me it's got to be a couple of things.
1.ridiculous stubbornness
2.thick as fuck

It's definitely not just an older generation problem, it's accross all age groups

Masks must be mandatory, and supplied free to the population

My own observation is that the older generation are leading the way. If I’m in a shop and some isn’t wearing a mask it’s typically the 20-40 year old range.

 

[Ian1779]

The guy from Brazil. Possibly.

No coincidence that it’s 3 populists leading the charge on the worlds Cov-ID incompetence.

 

[Ian1779]

I put it down to lack of respect,

I think it’s an entitlement embedded into the psyche of some people. They see masks as a restriction of their human rights, rather than it being their civic responsibility to look after your fellow countryman.

 

[skybluetony176]

Now he is a numpty, the guy refused to belive in the virus and it got a foothold and we'll you can see how many it's killed.

Only two weeks ago Boris was saying back too normal by Xmas, at the conference where sage were telling us not to shake hands Boris was saying you’ll be glad to hear I visited a hospital and shook hands with everyone including those with Covid. He gives him a run for his money.

 

[Kieranp96]

My own observation is that the older generation are leading the way. If I’m in a shop and some isn’t wearing a mask it’s typically the 20-40 year old range.

I seen someone today in asda Walsgrave without a mask and the guy was probaly atleast 35 stone the health issues he probaly has would probaly kill him if he contracted it, yet my 78 year old granny who has lung cancer and asthma wears one .

 

[Kieranp96]

I think it’s an entitlement embedded into the psyche of some people. They see masks as a restriction of their human rights, rather than it being their civic responsibility to look after your fellow countryman.

Better way of putting it yea, the only thing it does is make my face a little warmer than what it normally is , but I won't wear a mask unless I'm going into a shop or a uber.

 

[Evo1883]

An awful lot more people today also believe in conspiracy theories than many years ago...

Social media is rife atm

I mean you can be sceptical, but some things I read are flat out lunacy.

 

[Grendel]

No coincidence that it’s 3 populists leading the charge on the worlds Cov-ID incompetence.

Macron is the ultimate populist surely?

 

[Kieranp96]

Only two weeks ago Boris was saying back too normal by Xmas, at the conference where sage were telling us not to shake hands Boris was saying you’ll be glad to hear I visited a hospital and shook hands with everyone including those with Covid. He gives him a run for his money.

Was more like 3 months ago when the virus was subsiding a little, but it was always garenteed to return it follows the same pattern as the flu it wouldn't surprise me at all if we do see 20k cases daily in the coming months unless people get a grip and follow guidelines.

 

[Kieranp96]

An awful lot more people today also believe in conspiracy theories than many years ago...

Social media is rife atm

I mean you can be sceptical, but some things I read are flat out lunacy.

Don't want the vaccine they put chips in them, as they type from the iPhone 11 .

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Green Party?

I’d be green

 

[Evo1883]

Macron is the ultimate populist surely?

He doesn't mean populist, he means right wing

 

[Ring Of Steel]

I fundamentally disagree on this point. Only Trump could do worse than Johnson.

What about the Brazilian guy, he must be jostling for a European place at least in the premier league of shite leaders through COVID

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I think it’s an entitlement embedded into the psyche of some people. They see masks as a restriction of their human rights, rather than it being their civic responsibility to look after your fellow countryman.

I can't breathe properly with it on.

 

[ajsccfc]

Masks are mind control 5g muzzles, wake up sheeple. Also, sneeze guards at the salad bar are making kids worship Satan