Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (14 Viewers)

[clint van damme]

what a pile of shite



better get Farage down to that beach pointing at some boats just in case the British public wake up and realise how much of their money's been spunked on this waste of time.

 

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

Fair points. Should probably have been delayed then

Or, again, make it so only those who do subjects that can’t be delivered remotely come in and the rest stay home.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Or, again, make it so only those who do subjects that can’t be delivered remotely come in and the rest stay home.

That's a sane suggestion. That said at university it becomes a little more complex in that it's not just the obvious ones where this applies - what if you need to use the special collections, or something? Or maybe their media lab? There's no reason that just about all of it can't be remote, though, with just coming in on a need to basis... and actually schedule that in advance, so they can decide whether they want to move to the town / city, or are happier commuting in for those slots.

None of it's ideal, but it's better than the mass migration we've got now!

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

That's a sane suggestion. That said at university it becomes a little more complex in that it's not just the obvious ones where this applies - what if you need to use the special collections, or something? Or maybe their media lab? There's no reason that just about all of it can't be remote, though, with just coming in on a need to basis... and actually schedule that in advance, so they can decide whether they want to move to the town / city, or are happier commuting in for those slots.

None of it's ideal, but it's better than the mass migration we've got now!

I went to a university 7-8 hours away from home! I would have things like those collections digitised (which needs to happen anyway in case they were ever lost). Really it is just the practical subjects that need to be in to do things that have to be done on site. You could then legitimately create a bubble for those in that subject or year using the accommodation. Lectures would be streamable

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I would have things like those collections digitised (which needs to happen anyway in case they were ever lost).

They're already digitising them. Estimate is it'd be about, oh, 25 years plus to digitise everything. And that's before they're added to. You can also tell more from the original document - paper, tears, things that can't be picked up, things that are missed by the camera (the binding etc.). There'll always be a place for the original.

 

[David O'Day]

what a pile of shite



better get Farage down to that beach pointing at some boats just in case the British public wake up and realise how much of their money's been spunked on this waste of time.

It makes no sense as most people will book the test via the website and won't have the code needed.

It's a very, very expensive way of checking into venues

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

They're already digitising them. Estimate is it'd be about, oh, 25 years plus to digitise everything. And that's before they're added to. You can also tell more from the original document - paper, tears, things that can't be picked up, things that are missed by the camera (the binding etc.). There'll always be a place for the original.

Yeah, though my guess is that most undergrads won’t need access to originals to observe things like that. Science courses will need to though, even in first year I had 2-3 a week. Further up they’d need to be in every day.

 

[ajsccfc]

So the 'NHS' covid app actually has no link with NHS testing for covid? What the fuck is this country

 

[Deleted member 5849]

So the 'NHS' covid app actually has no link with NHS testing for covid? What the fuck is this country

Eh?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Use it! It works guys ignore the Twitter cowboys and experts who aren’t the experts. The more of us use it the more of the epidemic we stop

 

[David O'Day]

Use it works guys ignore the Twitter cowboys and experts who aren’t the experts. The more of us use it the more of the epidemic we stop

The App? I've got it but how is an app that is meant to track and trace contacts that can't accept a large number of the test results going to help?

 

[David O'Day]

Eh?

To enter your test result into the app you need to enter the relevant code. Tests conducted by PHE/The NHS and the ONS don't have this code so can't be entered.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

This is at least positive.

Coronavirus: UK pledges £500m to global vaccine-sharing scheme

The PM will call on world leaders to set aside differences as he sets out plans to prevent future pandemics.

www.bbc.co.uk

Do wish the world had bought as a block though, rather than it being a competitive market.

 

[Kieranp96]

So the 'NHS' covid app actually has no link with NHS testing for covid? What the fuck is this country

"yet" there has to be some sort of backend system in place so you can get access to your test results if they just release it willy nilly, some brainiact who can reverse engineer will take a look through the code find a issue hack the NHS like they did with visa few years back. It's not as simple as clicking your fingers

 

[David O'Day]

"yet" there has to be some sort of backend system in place so you can get access to your test results if they just release it willy nilly, some brainiact who can reverse engineer will take a look through the code find a issue hack the NHS like they did with visa few years back. It's not as simple as clicking your fingers

So it's fine to have a contact tracing app that doesn't properly contact trace.

You need to upload the NHS and PHE test results so the app can tell people if they have been in contact with someone who has tested positive.

 

[Kieranp96]

So it's fine to have a contact tracing app that doesn't properly contact trace.

You need to upload the NHS and PHE test results so the app can tell people if they have been in contact with someone who has tested positive.

just have to wait for it to work fully, can you not just click a box that says you do or do not have the virus? I don't have the app as no need.

 

[skybluetony176]

just have to wait for it to work fully, can you not just click a box that says you do or do not have the virus? I don't have the app as no need.

No, there isn’t that feature. I guess because any idiot can press a button to say they have it even if they don’t and that would corrupt the data and make the app worthless. Equally though if you can’t log all test results from all testers it has the same effect. Yet again a lack of joined up thinking from the government. A shame really because the app is really simple to use and should be a simple effective tool in combatting Covid and getting closer to the old norm from the new norm.

 

[David O'Day]

just have to wait for it to work fully, can you not just click a box that says you do or do not have the virus? I don't have the app as no need.

No because as stated you need to valid the to show it is real.

 

[shmmeee]

"yet" there has to be some sort of backend system in place so you can get access to your test results if they just release it willy nilly, some brainiact who can reverse engineer will take a look through the code find a issue hack the NHS like they did with visa few years back. It's not as simple as clicking your fingers

What?

 

[CCFCSteve]

No, there isn’t that feature. I guess because any idiot can press a button to say they have it even if they don’t and that would corrupt the data and make the app worthless. Equally though if you can’t log all test results from all testers it has the same effect. Yet again a lack of joined up thinking from the government. A shame really because the app is really simple to use and should be a simple effective tool in combatting Covid and getting closer to the old norm from the new norm.

Think you’re spot on Tony. The concern around the app has always been around data corruption/maintaining its accuracy and also providing the data centrally so it can be analysed (I might be wrong but I think that was the problem with the standard ‘off the shelf’ tracing app - data retained on phones, which is good for data protection but doesn’t assist with wider analysis)

It sounds like it leaves the responsibility to the individual which is potentially dangerous, if people don’t bother, but hopefully they will. Not sure if they are working it so in future test results get uploaded. Also don’t know if this is a data protection issue in terms of the test results (doubt it)

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

The App? I've got it but how is an app that is meant to track and trace contacts that can't accept a large number of the test results going to help?

I’m not certain the guy on Twitter was correct

 

[David O'Day]

I’m not certain the guy on Twitter was correct

The app people confirmed no PHE/NHS/ONS test results can be added

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

The App? I've got it but how is an app that is meant to track and trace contacts that can't accept a large number of the test results going to help?

Allegedly.

 

[Ian1779]

what a pile of shite



better get Farage down to that beach pointing at some boats just in case the British public wake up and realise how much of their money's been spunked on this waste of time.

Doesn’t need to go that far - he can just find a motorway flyover on the Kent border.

 

[clint van damme]

that's Christmas fucked

 

[David O'Day]

Allegedly.

Allegedly?

You can't verify NHS, PHE or ONS test results. This has been confirmed by the official app twitter account.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Allegedly?

You can't verify NHS, PHE or ONS test results. This has been confirmed by the official app twitter account.

I saw that and I want to know the implications of that. It’s a great story to prove how shit the app is if that’s what you want to prove.

However what if 95% of tests are being done through the app? What if this is something that they are aware of and it makes little difference to the overall success of the Isle of Wight tests and subsequently its use in the wider population?

The modelling is clear this will save lives and infections

 

[David O'Day]

I saw that and I want to know the implications of that. It’s a great story to prove how shit the app is if that’s what you want to prove.

However what if 95% of tests are being done through the app? What if this is something that they are aware of and it makes little difference to the overall success of the Isle of Wight tests no subsequently its use in the wider population?

The modelling is clear this will save lives and infections

The NHS and PHE testing is the Pillar 1 testing that is reported everyday. The last daily figures for pillar 1 testing were 73,243. This is compared to the 172,120 pillar 2 tests (the commercial labs that this can accept). This means in 1 day almost a 1/3 of all tests could not be entered.

Data taken from Coronavirus (COVID-19) in the UK

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

The NHS and PHE testing is the Pillar 1 testing that is reported everyday. The last daily figures for pillar 1 testing were 73,243. This is compared to the 172,120 pillar 2 tests (the commercial labs that this can accept). This means in 1 day almost a 1/3 of all tests could not be entered.

Data taken from Coronavirus (COVID-19) in the UK

If I was to guess pillar 1 is mostly hospital, care homes and nhs and care workers. Pillar 2 community but I’ll try and confirm definitively why this shouldn’t be seen as a grave mistake

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

You may be right this is about making money and not saving lives. If so friends involved would be fuming

 

[David O'Day]

If I was to guess pillar 1 is mostly hospital, care homes and nhs and care workers. Pillar 2 community but I’ll try and confirm definitively why this shouldn’t be seen as a grave mistake

Pillar 1 is any testing done in an PHE or NHS lab

As per the same document

 

[Ring Of Steel]

I saw that and I want to know the implications of that. It’s a great story to prove how shit the app is if that’s what you want to prove.

However what if 95% of tests are being done through the app? What if this is something that they are aware of and it makes little difference to the overall success of the Isle of Wight tests and subsequently its use in the wider population?

The modelling is clear this will save lives and infections

Why are they calling it an NHS app when it can’t accept test data from the NHS?

 

[Ring Of Steel]

You may be right this is about making money and not saving lives. If so friends involved would be fuming

Is it really not completely obvious?

 

[David O'Day]

Looking at the data as well you can enter pillar 4 (ONS) results and there were 23,000 of those reported in yesterdays daily figures.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Infection control outside of hospitals - NHS COVID-19 tracing app with Dr David Bonsall

Dr David Bonsall, Senior Researcher, Oxford University's Nuffield Department of Medicine. Talk highlights include how the contact tracing app would work along with it's advantages, disadvantages and ethical considerations.

player.rcplondon.ac.uk