Evo1883
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Would you agree America fear Russia becoming a superpower both economically and militarily... If so... Our conversation is done on this mate as you have your answer
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Would you agree America fear Russia becoming a superpower both economically and militarily... If so... Our conversation is done on this mate as you have your answer
clint van damme
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I'm not sure how that's relevant.
Ring Of Steel
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No wind up, you said what they've done before is irrelevant... It's not.. They lie.
IL ask again... What have Russia gained from trump being in power... Nothing
As far as I can tell Russia don't have a great relationship with them even with trump
They gained instability and uncertainty, and they achieved it perfectly.
I don't care enough to get into it, but seriously, you have your head well and truly in the sand on this
Evo1883
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It's completely relevant, if you can keep the American people and the European people for that matter hating the nasty Russians, it makes it easier to keep said nation in check... As America are the world's superpower they control alot of the world's business... Which in turn, keeps Russia firmly in check
Evo1883
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They gained instability and uncertainty, and they achieved it perfectly.
I don't care enough to get into it, but seriously, you have your head well and truly in the sand on this
I dont hate Russia and I don't believe all the nonsense the yanks say... I think my heads firmly on me shoulders my friend
Not forever,thus China EU are his target.
Evo1883
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China are much more a problem than Russia is tbh
Infact America is a bigger problem than Russia is
with or without trump
Ring Of Steel
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Would you believe a book which was written by a Russian, which explained how to achieve power even though they were stripped of their military power? Same book that became a textbook handed to the Russian military & government, and talked about how creating uncertainty & attacking traditional relationships by eroding trust within 'Western' countries was the goal?
"Military operations play relatively little role. The textbook advocates a sophisticated program of subversion, destabilization, and disinformation spearheaded by the Russian special services. The operations should be assisted by a tough, hard-headed utilization of Russia's gas, oil, and natural resources to bully and pressure other countries."
"Russia should use its special services within the borders of the United States to fuel instability and separatism, for instance, provoke "Afro-American racists". Russia should "introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements – extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics"
Its actually embedded in their policies towards other countries, its factual and real- are you denying it all?
Is that really any different to last 70yrs of foreign policy from USA?
Evo1883
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They all do it though
the USA have created more misery in the world than Russia have over the last 50 years... How you see them as the bad guys is quite amusing... Look closer to home and our own allies if I were you
Ring Of Steel
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No idea, probably not, don't know- what I'm saying is that to dismiss that it is happening as Evo seems to want to do is just silly. Its real.
clint van damme
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They all do it though
I don't disagree with that. Americas foreign policy has been disastrous, (or maybe it it's been a necessary evil and we've got it all wrong), their obsession with the spread Communism has been the catalyst for so much misery it's unbelievable. That's not really the point though to be honest.
Ring Of Steel
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They all do it though
Stop deflecting, thats not the point. I don't see anyone as the "bad guys", I'm not a child, and if the USA really are our 'allies' then we don't need too many enemies do we, we are completely subservient to them.
Russia are doing what they think they need to do, and they're making USA, UK etc look stupid, ill prepared and they are achieving their goals. That doesn't mean I'm saying they are 'the enemy', thats more your bag, but you need to stop being so naive.
Evo1883
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I'd hazard a guess that whatever you think Russia have done... The yanks have done it 100 times over and much worse.
Russia are not the reason America got trump... Americans are the reason Americans got trump... Blaming Russia is all they have... Ever
Evo1883
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clint van damme
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again, you're not willing to look into a wealth of evidence available, even if only to refute it so the conversation is pointless.
And again, yes the yanks have done the same time of thing, but not really relevant here.
Seems they all need bogeymen .
Communism,Socialism , Pandemics, Global Warming, Xenophobia Armageddon, Religious bigotry.
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We are now at war with Eurasia.
clint van damme
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? that doesn't make sense.
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Lefty conspiracy. Told you
Ring Of Steel
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lol, thats a weird thing to say, it makes no sense at all. Look I know you don't like reading much but take a look at these. I'm not 'left wing' and I don't have any particular affinity with countries, I don't hate russia or USA- and what Russia are doing is only in direct reaction to what they think USA did to them. Take your personal bias out of it and read, its interesting. You can see what they were planning and compare it to what they did- its bang on. They are 'winning' if thats the way you want to frame it.
This is what Russian heavyweights wanted in the ‘90s
EVER wondered what Vladimir Putin is up to infiltrating the US elections? Surprisingly, there is an answer to that.
Foundations of Geopolitics - Wikipedia
However there is one thing I'd agree on- there would be no chance of success if there wasn't an undercurrent of nationalism & dissatisfaction running wild across various countries. To what degree it has been 'stoked up' by these tactics cannot be proven, but there were clearly enough disenfranchised people who were willing to listen and be (for want of a better term) "manipulated", then before you know where you are you have massive divisions all over the place. Dangerous times, don't care who's right or wrong, but to say that its all a myth betrays a peculiar lack of common sense and ability to see what is plainly obvious.
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Well when you get down to the securing of resources it would be naive I suppose.
But I thought a globalised world was dealing with that fairly well.
From a poverty point of view ,yet imposing values on Nation's not entirely willing to walk down that road.
clint van damme
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Lefty conspiracy. Told you
the far left seem to have much more time for Trump than Clinton or Biden. And it was the supposed far left website Wikileaks that published the hacked (hacked by guess who?) Podesta e-mails!
Evo1883
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I can only comment on observation alone, I assure you it's no conspiracy... As the thread proves its you lot making all the noise to try and justify why somebody like trump won an election ...when it's actually far from the reason.... People just don't like the opposing politics that muchLefty conspiracy. Told you
Liquid Gold
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You said people are fed up with virtue signalling woke lefties and then said that's why Clinton didn't win.
You see how mad that is yeah?
clint van damme
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search my posts for mentions of Clinton, I've mentioned her many times and never said a good word about her.
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My lot?!? I am no 'lot'.
Evo1883
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Bit muddled but not exactly what I meant... Clinton lost for many reasons... Her past... Benghazi and the fact she's a c**t in general... But Trump won because she offered nothing different
People ARE fed up with the norm though
Liquid Gold
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Depends what you define as the norm though, the right have been in power for a decade in this country.
Evo1883
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And that doesn't look like changing for a decade or so more does it tbh
clint van damme
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which doesn't support your people are sick of the norm claim.
Evo1883
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In America it does
Liquid Gold
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The right have been in power in America basically forever.
ovduk78
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That's a bit harsh just because they made some shite pop songs!!
Evo1883
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Ofcourse, but more the same screams hillary... Somebody who fits the mould, who will sell her granny for a vote... Saying what people want to hear all that nonsense...a face that fits.
People didn't want another hillary did they, so they voted for trump.
If Biden loses which I don't think he will, its a further slap in the face for the normal