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ajsccfc

ajsccfc

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The big change seems to be indoor socialising:


For areas in tier 2, the additional Covid restrictions mean:


  • People are prohibited from socialising with anybody outside their household or support bubble in any indoor setting.
  • Tradespeople can continue to go into a household for work.
  • The rule of six continues to apply for socialising outdoors, for instance in a garden or public space like a park or beach.
  • Businesses and venues can continue to operate, but pubs and restaurants must ensure that customers consume food and drink only while seated, and close between 10pm and 5am.
  • Takeaway food can continue to be sold after 10pm if ordered online or by phone.
  • Schools and universities remain open.
  • Places of worship remain open, but people may not mingle in groups of more than six.
  • Weddings and funerals can go ahead with restrictions on the numbers attending (15 and 30 respectively).
  • Exercise classes and organised sport can continue to take place outdoors but will only be permitted indoors if it is possible for people to avoid mixing with those they do not live with (or share a support bubble with), or for youth or disability sport.
  • Travel is permitted to amenities that are open, for work or to access education, but people are advised to reduce the number of journeys where possible.
 
chiefdave

chiefdave

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ajsccfc said:
Takeaway food can continue to be sold after 10pm if ordered online or by phone.
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So I can phone the chippy up, order fish and chips, then go there and collect it. But I can't go to the chippy and order fish and chips. Makes sense, virus will be gone in no time.
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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chiefdave said:
So I can phone the chippy up, order fish and chips, then go there and collect it. But I can't go to the chippy and order fish and chips. Makes sense, virus will be gone in no time.
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If I was the chippy I’d just set up a tablet with the online ordering system on at the counter.
 
chiefdave

chiefdave

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shmmeee said:
If I was the chippy I’d just set up a tablet with the online ordering system on at the counter.
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Hadn't thought of that. Safe to stand in the chippy and phone your order in but not to just tell them your order. How on earth have they come up with that?
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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chiefdave said:
Hadn't thought of that. Safe to stand in the chippy and phone your order in but not to just tell them your order. How on earth have they come up with that?
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Same way they come up with anything:

1) Scientists advise action to reduce the spread
2) Tory donors shit a brick and complain loudly and lobby for special exemptions based on their personal business model
3) Shit out a mess of guidance that pleases no one.

See also: pubs
 
fernandopartridge

fernandopartridge

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ajsccfc said:
The big change seems to be indoor socialising:


For areas in tier 2, the additional Covid restrictions mean:


  • People are prohibited from socialising with anybody outside their household or support bubble in any indoor setting.
  • Tradespeople can continue to go into a household for work.
  • The rule of six continues to apply for socialising outdoors, for instance in a garden or public space like a park or beach.
  • Businesses and venues can continue to operate, but pubs and restaurants must ensure that customers consume food and drink only while seated, and close between 10pm and 5am.
  • Takeaway food can continue to be sold after 10pm if ordered online or by phone.
  • Schools and universities remain open.
  • Places of worship remain open, but people may not mingle in groups of more than six.
  • Weddings and funerals can go ahead with restrictions on the numbers attending (15 and 30 respectively).
  • Exercise classes and organised sport can continue to take place outdoors but will only be permitted indoors if it is possible for people to avoid mixing with those they do not live with (or share a support bubble with), or for youth or disability sport.
  • Travel is permitted to amenities that are open, for work or to access education, but people are advised to reduce the number of journeys where possible.
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The tradespeople rule makes a mockery of the indoor socialising thing really, a tradesperson going to many houses is OK but me going to visit my family isn't, despite the fact I visit only one other household.

Not allowed to socialise with up to six persons indoor apart from at a place of worship, why this exemption? Are religious people less likely to carry it?
 
chiefdave

chiefdave

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fernandopartridge said:
The tradespeople rule makes a mockery of the indoor socialising thing really, a tradesperson going to many houses is OK but me going to visit my family isn't, despite the fact I visit only one other household.

Not allowed to socialise with up to six persons indoor apart from at a place of worship, why this exemption? Are religious people less likely to carry it?
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Luckily as I live on my own I'm in a bubble with my parents. Not sure what they'd do otherwise as they're relying on me sorting their shopping, picking up prescriptions etc. It would end up with them going out much more which would put them at more risk.
 
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chiefdave said:
So I can phone the chippy up, order fish and chips, then go there and collect it. But I can't go to the chippy and order fish and chips. Makes sense, virus will be gone in no time.
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tbf, although it's not entirely helpful, it does stop people queuing up a bit more, that you're going with a specific purpose to just collect something
ajsccfc said:
The big change seems to be indoor socialising:


For areas in tier 2, the additional Covid restrictions mean:


  • People are prohibited from socialising with anybody outside their household or support bubble in any indoor setting.
  • Tradespeople can continue to go into a household for work.
  • The rule of six continues to apply for socialising outdoors, for instance in a garden or public space like a park or beach.
  • Businesses and venues can continue to operate, but pubs and restaurants must ensure that customers consume food and drink only while seated, and close between 10pm and 5am.
  • Takeaway food can continue to be sold after 10pm if ordered online or by phone.
  • Schools and universities remain open.
  • Places of worship remain open, but people may not mingle in groups of more than six.
  • Weddings and funerals can go ahead with restrictions on the numbers attending (15 and 30 respectively).
  • Exercise classes and organised sport can continue to take place outdoors but will only be permitted indoors if it is possible for people to avoid mixing with those they do not live with (or share a support bubble with), or for youth or disability sport.
  • Travel is permitted to amenities that are open, for work or to access education, but people are advised to reduce the number of journeys where possible.
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God, I hope my neighbour doesn't see that until it comes into effect, or it'll be party central!
 
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shmmeee said:
Same way they come up with anything:

1) Scientists advise action to reduce the spread
2) Tory donors shit a brick and complain loudly and lobby for special exemptions based on their personal business model
3) Shit out a mess of guidance that pleases no one.

See also: pubs
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I have a (not entirely radical) theory that Johnson is all for tighter controls in the main, especially since his own brush with Covid, but his party's movers and shakers, the ones who put him there, are very much the opposite.

So we end up with this fudged nonsense. Now what I *don't* know is whether it'd be better for clarity (even if controversial do everything as before, it'll be alright and who cares if a few plebs croak it) or whether we're blessed with what we have now.

One thing's for sure, not convinced any fall on the PM will result in us following the science anymore, unless we're talking social scientists in the form of economists...
 
clint van damme

clint van damme

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ajsccfc said:
The big change seems to be indoor socialising:


For areas in tier 2, the additional Covid restrictions mean:


  • People are prohibited from socialising with anybody outside their household or support bubble in any indoor setting.
  • Tradespeople can continue to go into a household for work.
  • The rule of six continues to apply for socialising outdoors, for instance in a garden or public space like a park or beach.
  • Businesses and venues can continue to operate, but pubs and restaurants must ensure that customers consume food and drink only while seated, and close between 10pm and 5am.
  • Takeaway food can continue to be sold after 10pm if ordered online or by phone.
  • Schools and universities remain open.
  • Places of worship remain open, but people may not mingle in groups of more than six.
  • Weddings and funerals can go ahead with restrictions on the numbers attending (15 and 30 respectively).
  • Exercise classes and organised sport can continue to take place outdoors but will only be permitted indoors if it is possible for people to avoid mixing with those they do not live with (or share a support bubble with), or for youth or disability sport.
  • Travel is permitted to amenities that are open, for work or to access education, but people are advised to reduce the number of journeys where possible.
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So I can't meet my mates in the pub for the Reading game?
 
K

Kieranp96

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Them Italian figures are starting to explode again, I wonder if we are gona see the same amount of deaths per day as we did in April ect over winter 🤔.
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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RANT INCOMING:

So angry with politics today.

Forget the rights and wrongs of Brexit I said ages ago that writing politicians a blank cheque is never a smart idea. All because of a single issue we’ve elected the absolute objectively worst government in both competence and compassion terms this country has ever seen. The hardest of the hard right Tories. Forget Corbyn, this lot are the CPGB of the Tories. Completely unserious and unsuitable.


Your fucking vote matters. This isn’t X Factor or Twitter. This is where vague aimless pronouncements of “they’re all as bad as each other” is downright dangerous. No. Some people are competent. Some people put reality ahead of ideology. Some people aren’t just out to line their pockets. Have whatever political views you want, but for Gods sake take it seriously.

And I hate this slimy, cowardly, weak nation we’ve become. The Britain I’m proud of leads the fucking world, it doesn’t hide and look for excuses and point fingers and shirk responsibility, it steps up to the plate and shows bigger countries how it’s done.

RANT OVER
 
Ian1779

Ian1779

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shmmeee said:
RANT INCOMING:

So angry with politics today.

Forget the rights and wrongs of Brexit I said ages ago that writing politicians a blank cheque is never a smart idea. All because of a single issue we’ve elected the absolute objectively worst government in both competence and compassion terms this country has ever seen. The hardest of the hard right Tories. Forget Corbyn, this lot are the CPGB of the Tories. Completely unserious and unsuitable.


Your fucking vote matters. This isn’t X Factor or Twitter. This is where vague aimless pronouncements of “they’re all as bad as each other” is downright dangerous. No. Some people are competent. Some people put reality ahead of ideology. Some people aren’t just out to line their pockets. Have whatever political views you want, but for Gods sake take it seriously.

And I hate this slimy, cowardly, weak nation we’ve become. The Britain I’m proud of leads the fucking world, it doesn’t hide and look for excuses and point fingers and shirk responsibility, it steps up to the plate and shows bigger countries how it’s done.

RANT OVER
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When you look at it, this feels like this has been years in the making. Going back to as far as 2010 - when the Lib Dems could have formed a coalition with Labour and even SNP but chose the Tories. It gave them 5 years to do what they liked, giving meaningless concessions now and then (like 5p carrier bags) knowing full well that the Libs would carry the can for every shitty decision they made. And boy have they paid the price... 52 MP’s in 2010 now less than 10 now. Clegg always wanted an EU ref - but probably not in the way that Farage and his band of associates wanted, yet it played perfectly, as he was up for agreeing to it. Disenfranchised population, fed up of having shit lives and then the perfect poster boys to blame - the EU. Didn’t need to worry about corruption in the UK, because people would accept it only happened in the EU. Got no money? It’s those pesky foreigners or Muslims or benefit scroungers. It’s like the perfect storm of all clusterfucks.

And let’s no even get into the Labour capitulation of 2019 which gave the Tories the best PR game you’ve ever seen in an election in modern history.
 
Sky Blue Pete

Sky Blue Pete

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chiefdave said:
Luckily as I live on my own I'm in a bubble with my parents. Not sure what they'd do otherwise as they're relying on me sorting their shopping, picking up prescriptions etc. It would end up with them going out much more which would put them at more risk.
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They could use nhs volunteer responders
 
Sky Blue Pete

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
shmmeee said:
RANT INCOMING:

So angry with politics today.

Forget the rights and wrongs of Brexit I said ages ago that writing politicians a blank cheque is never a smart idea. All because of a single issue we’ve elected the absolute objectively worst government in both competence and compassion terms this country has ever seen. The hardest of the hard right Tories. Forget Corbyn, this lot are the CPGB of the Tories. Completely unserious and unsuitable.


Your fucking vote matters. This isn’t X Factor or Twitter. This is where vague aimless pronouncements of “they’re all as bad as each other” is downright dangerous. No. Some people are competent. Some people put reality ahead of ideology. Some people aren’t just out to line their pockets. Have whatever political views you want, but for Gods sake take it seriously.

And I hate this slimy, cowardly, weak nation we’ve become. The Britain I’m proud of leads the fucking world, it doesn’t hide and look for excuses and point fingers and shirk responsibility, it steps up to the plate and shows bigger countries how it’s done.

RANT OVER
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Rant away you’re bang on
 
W

wingy

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Sunaks package.
The cynic in me thinks Job done
5 week's ago they started planning for the 3 tier system .
In the meantime they've had a nice sideshow of mayor's largely involving the opposition drawn into bizarre stances when looking at health alone
 
David O'Day

David O'Day

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wingy said:
Sunaks package.
The cynic in me thinks Job done
5 week's ago they started planning for the 3 tier system .
In the meantime they've had a nice sideshow of mayor's largely involving the opposition drawn into bizarre stances when looking at health alone
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no because it's already being cast as a u-turn

Awful politics and optics, the government are good at politics.
 
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