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[Grendel]

By that logic so does Biden.

Biden engages no one. Trump engages both ways. Biden has no real support at all - he is a disaster candidate who will entire the White House with the least actual support from the public than anyone in US history

 

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[Evo1883]

Biden engages no one. Trump engages both ways. Biden has no real support at all - he is a disaster candidate who will entire the White House with the least actual support from the public than anyone in US history

I mean for the future of America I'm with you on Biden, he's not the man.
He's somebody who will be voted in because he isn't Donald trump, which is never ever the sensible thing to do...

Tbh, it's much like corbyn over here, many many people voted Boris simply for the fact they just didn't want corbyn irrespective of what he would do

 

[clint van damme]

So how do people see a Biden presidency?

Stronger relationship with China? Declining relationship with Russia and the Middle East and potentially North / South Korea relations.

Possible war over the next 4 years

I can't see the protests stopping in the US, I can see an actual decline in race relations over the next 4 years.



I have no comment on the economy, as I simply think after the covid crisis subsides whoever is in power will see huge economic gains.

Not sure he's tough enough to deal with the shit show that America is these days myself... We will see over the coming years


Also what with republicans having the senate... There will be much gridlock over the course of his first 2 years atleast

I dont think he's americas knight in shining armour

hopeless - but domestically, I think the States needs rid of Trump before it can start healing its divisions though i don't think even that's a guarantee.
Had the headphones in listening to various news feeds all day and even a lot of senior republicans are really unhappy with his fraud comments, one said he's not fit to be president (though i'm not sure Biden is either)

 

[shmmeee]

Biden engages no one. Trump engages both ways. Biden has no real support at all - he is a disaster candidate who will entire the White House with the least actual support from the public than anyone in US history

What are you basing this nonsense on?

By your own measure Biden engages more than Obama and more than Trump. His popularity is ahead of Clinton. Your desperate need to have extreme opinions really does make you look silly at times.

 

[Evo1883]

hopeless - but domestically, I think the States needs rid of Trump before it can start healing its divisions though i don't think even that's a guarantee.

The actual trigger for the huge wave of domestic troubles in the states would probably have happened irrespective of who was in power.... The division was there long before trump... It was magnified by a police officer shooting a black man.

The division has been there since forever

I will ofcourse from here on out be taking a good look at how the media represent Biden going forward and how they judge him on his actions, and ofcourse the public and how they react

 

[SBT]

Sorry? You seem to be in some denial that this is a bizarre outcome whatever the final result and no one saw it coming - its a shockwave result

At this moment in time it’s certainly closer than most predictions, but to anyone who’s been paying attention, it’s playing out largely as they expected. Early Trump gains being slowly wiped out by mail-in ballots is what we were told to expect, and now here we are...

 

[shmmeee]

The actual trigger for the huge wave of domestic troubles in the states would probably have happened irrespective of who was in power.... The division was there long before trump... It was magnified by a police officer shooting a black man.

What Trump has done is be a lightning rod for a whole load of stuff that wouldn’t get anything like the support it does if Trump wasn’t against it.

Been having this debate with anti woke Americans who think electing Trump will stop the extreme wokeness they don’t like. Ignoring the fact that it’s sky rocketed the last four years because it’s coalesced the entire left. It’s very similar to Corbyn here and how Tories who didn’t agree with Johnson stuck behind him because they saw Corbyn as worse.

Fighting fire with fire doesn’t work in politics. It just strengthens the other side. Like in an argument you need to stay rational and allow the other side to get overheated.

I see the usual suspects are out saying Bernie was what was needed this time around, but it would’ve been Clinton+ IMO. A scary far left socialist who they need to keep out.

 

[Grendel]

What are you basing this nonsense on?

By your own measure Biden engages more than Obama and more than Trump. His popularity is ahead of Clinton. Your desperate need to have extreme opinions really does make you look silly at times.

Its hardly an extreme opinion. Trump is the driver of the record turnout both ways. He is the catalyst of the record turnout as he is the ultimate divider of opinions. People vote for him as they see him as a great anti establishment figure and people vote against him as they feel they need to stop him. Biden is an irrelevant figure in the show - he is just the other name on the ballot box. Whats silly is your blind spot on Clinton. A character mired in corruption going back to Arkansas in the 80's and turned people off voting completely

 

[clint van damme]

The actual trigger for the huge wave of domestic troubles in the states would probably have happened irrespective of who was in power.... The division was there long before trump... It was magnified by a police officer shooting a black man.

I'm not so sure it was anywhere near as bad as it has been for the last few years to be honest.

 

[Liquid Gold]

It's like the fall of the Roman Empire but sped up to hyper speed and you can watch it live from a distance as a break from porn.

 

[shmmeee]

Its hardly an extreme opinion. Trump is the driver of the record turnout both ways. He is the catalyst of the record turnout as he is the ultimate divider of opinions. People vote for him as they see him as a great anti establishment figure and people vote against him as they feel they need to stop him. Biden is an irrelevant figure in the show - he is just the other name on the ballot box. Whats silly is your blind spot on Clinton. A character mired in corruption going back to Arkansas in the 80's and turned people off voting completely

Right. So when Clinton beats Trump in the popular vote it’s because she turned people off voting completely. When Biden beats trump by even more in the popular vote it’s because he’s irrelevant.

I’m not even sure you know what point you’re trying to make. Hence the slightly ridiculous attempt to make out in a Clinton stan.

 

[Grendel]

At this moment in time it’s certainly closer than most predictions, but to anyone who’s been paying attention, it’s playing out largely as they expected. Early Trump gains being slowly wiped out by mail-in ballots is what we were told to expect, and now here we are...

Odd as not a single political commentator agrees with you and says the polls were a complete disaster - perhaps you can provide a link to support this argument? Or perhaps not - did not the polls predict a win for Biden in Florida and Trump actually increased his vote share?

 

[clint van damme]

What Trump has done is be a lightning rod for a whole load of stuff that wouldn’t get anything like the support it does if Trump wasn’t against it.

Been having this debate with anti woke Americans who think electing Trump will stop the extreme wokeness they don’t like. Ignoring the fact that it’s sky rocketed the last four years because it’s coalesced the entire left. It’s very similar to Corbyn here and how Tories who didn’t agree with Johnson stuck behind him because they saw Corbyn as worse.

Fighting fire with fire doesn’t work in politics. It just strengthens the other side. Like in an argument you need to stay rational and allow the other side to get overheated.

I see the usual suspects are out saying Bernie was what was needed this time around, but it would’ve been Clinton+ IMO. A scary far left socialist who they need to keep out.

honestly mate, who can't grasp how hated she is, I've said it on here many times last time I was in the States was not long after Trump had been elected, I spoke to so many people who said they were traditionally democrats but couldn't bring themselves to vote for Clinton, (some abstained some voted Trump).
Still a small sample size admittedly but it certainly painted a picture for me.

 

[Grendel]

Right. So when Clinton beats Trump in the popular vote it’s because she turned people off voting completely. When Biden beats trump by even more in the popular vote it’s because he’s irrelevant.

I’m not even sure you know what point you’re trying to make. Hence the slightly ridiculous attempt to make out in a Clinton stan.

Clinton was a divisive figure - she was mired in corruption and turned off traditional voters in swing states. There are numerous articles to support this. Trump gets people out to vote for a bland figure like Biden - he would have beaten Clinton in the electoral college again - of that there is no doubt

 

[David O'Day]

If Biden takes the states he is leading in but haven't been officially declared yet as per the BBC

Nevada
Arizona
Michigan
Wisconsin
Maine

He gets to 271 and that is without the ever tightening NC, Georgia and PA counts

 

[Grendel]

honestly mate, who can't grasp how hated she is, I've said it on here many times last time I was in the States was not long after Trump had been elected, I spoke to so many people who said they were traditionally democrats but couldn't bring themselves to vote for Clinton, (some abstained some voted Trump).
Still a small sample size admittedly but it certainly painted a picture for me.

I know its bizarre - Trump is far more popular that Clinton - she is reviled across much of the US

 

[Evo1883]

What Trump has done is be a lightning rod for a whole load of stuff that wouldn’t get anything like the support it does if Trump wasn’t against it.

Been having this debate with anti woke Americans who think electing Trump will stop the extreme wokeness they don’t like. Ignoring the fact that it’s sky rocketed the last four years because it’s coalesced the entire left. It’s very similar to Corbyn here and how Tories who didn’t agree with Johnson stuck behind him because they saw Corbyn as worse.

Fighting fire with fire doesn’t work in politics. It just strengthens the other side. Like in an argument you need to stay rational and allow the other side to get overheated.

I see the usual suspects are out saying Bernie was what was needed this time around, but it would’ve been Clinton+ IMO. A scary far left socialist who they need to keep out.

Watching RT earlier, and I know what you're probably going to say, it's Russian news and not to be taken seriously..

But their coverage this morning did appear to be very middle of the road offering good opinions on trump and Biden.
What they did say, is they've never seen a president so obsessively attacked and pushed back against by the media and the people, with Democrats backtracking on things like the Iran nuclear deal when they previously agreed with trump pre election, just so they could say they didn't agree with trump basically ... I said something similar months ago, I'd not seen anything like it...it actually became a bit tiring.

This ofcourse HELPED, not caused but helped create further division in America...The constant stream of negative information coming from their news sources

In regards to being woke, or a snowflake, or virtue signallers etc etc...


I've never seen such a meltdown like i have over the last 4 years, it's actually been irrational alot of the time

Biden will almost certainly not be treated in the same manner, and he will make alot of bad choices too

I hope he can begin to heal America, but it's not likely to happen

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Its hardly an extreme opinion. Trump is the driver of the record turnout both ways. He is the catalyst of the record turnout as he is the ultimate divider of opinions. People vote for him as they see him as a great anti establishment figure and people vote against him as they feel they need to stop him. Biden is an irrelevant figure in the show - he is just the other name on the ballot box. Whats silly is your blind spot on Clinton. A character mired in corruption going back to Arkansas in the 80's and turned people off voting completely

I do get your point. It didn't matter that it said Biden on the ballot. you just put "Trump" and "not Trump" for a similar outcome. Although party allegiances also go some way - I'm sure there are people that don't like Trump and wouldn't ordinarily vote for him who have because he's the Rep ticket.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Having a blue tick means fuck all. You and I could have a blue tick if we wanted and were a “journalist” (a category as vague as you like).

Regardless of her position her thoughts are fringe. Most on each side don’t agree with her. All highlighting these nuts does is tell you their views are more popular than they are and get you angry at people who don’t agree with her. Just like highlighting white nationalists on the other side.

Last few years 15% on each side have been making the agendas. It needs to stop. They all need to fuck off back to the corner of the pub.

Dude, she has 1.3 million followers.

I'm not getting annoyed at any random troll. That is a lot of people she is reaching out to and a racist tweet has just been left to stand. How can we fight racism with such double standards?

Maybe slightly off topic but the divisivness is a massive problem.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Watching RT earlier, and I know what you're probably going to say, it's Russian news and not to be taken seriously..

But their coverage this morning did appear to be very middle of the road offering good opinions on trump and Biden.
What they did say, is they've never seen a president so obsessively attacked and pushed back against by the media and the people, with Democrats backtracking on things like the Iran nuclear deal when they previously agreed with trump pre election, just so they could say they didn't agree with trump basically ... I said something similar months ago, I'd not seen anything like it...it actually became a bit tiring.

This ofcourse HELPED, not caused but helped create further division in America...The constant stream of negative information coming from their news sources

In regards to being woke, or a snowflake, or virtue signallers etc etc...


I've never seen such a meltdown like i have over the last 4 years, it's actually been irrational alot of the time

Biden will almost certainly not be treated in the same manner, and he will make alot of bad choices too

I hope he can begin to heal America, but it's not likely to happen

One thing Raab said earlier that I agreed with was saying the BBC seemed more like they were campaigning for Biden than actually covering the election in general.

Loads of them are at it.

 

[Evo1883]

Dude, she has 1.3 million followers.

I'm not getting annoyed at any random troll. That is a lot of people she is reaching out to and a racist tweet has just been left to stand. How can we fight racism with such double standards?

Maybe slightly off topic but the divisivness is a massive problem.

Ive seen quite alot of people call americans white supremacists on twitter... I just try and ignore it these days... It used to irritate me but then I realised that twitter is an echo chamber that rarely represents the opinion of the majority.

Just let it roll

 

[Evo1883]

I think you give America way too much glamour comparing it to the fall of the roman empire... More like the fall of the Berlin Wall or something along those lines

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

One thing Raab said earlier that I agreed with was saying the BBC seemed more like they were campaigning for Biden than actually covering the election in general.

Loads of them are at it.

I watched it all night they weren’t

 

[Evo1883]

One thing Raab said earlier that I agreed with was saying the BBC seemed more like they were campaigning for Biden than actually covering the election in general.

Loads of them are at it.

The media have fallen to extreme lows for a few years now, I've made my opinions clear on the media... They are not helping they are feulling


Ideally it would be in the BBCs best interests to try and find some impartiality going forward

Pigs might fly


The media have done the right thing calling trump out for his cries on fraud though, democracy wins

 

[djr8369]

Watching RT earlier, and I know what you're probably going to say, it's Russian news and not to be taken seriously..

But their coverage this morning did appear to be very middle of the road offering good opinions on trump and Biden.
What they did say, is they've never seen a president so obsessively attacked and pushed back against by the media and the people, with Democrats backtracking on things like the Iran nuclear deal when they previously agreed with trump pre election, just so they could say they didn't agree with trump basically ... I said something similar months ago, I'd not seen anything like it...it actually became a bit tiring.

This ofcourse HELPED, not caused but helped create further division in America...The constant stream of negative information coming from their news sources

In regards to being woke, or a snowflake, or virtue signallers etc etc...


I've never seen such a meltdown like i have over the last 4 years, it's actually been irrational alot of the time

Biden will almost certainly not be treated in the same manner, and he will make alot of bad choices too

I hope he can begin to heal America, but it's not likely to happen

The media criticise Trump, it backfires on the dems. The media report what he says accurately and it's called fake news and backfires on the dems. They can't win and the reason is partly due to narrative building. Yes, certain sections of society despise him and he is widely mocked but don't forget he has spent years screaming "fake news" and it has worked.

 

[Nick]

Who should I be angry at about it?

 

[Evo1883]

Some extremely dramatic opinions on twitter right now I think my favourites are the British who are acting like their world has been spun upside down over the last 12 hours... One claims she's been on the verge of vomiting all night.
Come on ffs

 

[Grendel]

The media criticise Trump, it backfires on the dems. The media report what he says accurately and it's called fake news and backfires on the dems. They can't win and the reason is partly due to narrative building. Yes, certain sections of society despise him and he is widely mocked but don't forget he has spent years screaming "fake news" and it has worked.

They appointed a disaster candidate - if Biden is the best they’ve got and an old croak like Sanders the second best then they are a sad and sorry party

 

[Evo1883]

They appointed a disaster candidate - if Biden is the best they’ve got and an old croak like Sanders the second best then they are a sad and sorry party

Ultimately both parties need to put forward younger, more exciting candidates with modern visions and ideas... And stop putting forward candidates on life support who are one quick jog away from cardiac arrest.

Biden doesn't look like he's got 4 years in him, trump doesn't come off much better

 

[Deleted member 5849]

They appointed a disaster candidate - if Biden is the best they’ve got and an old croak like Sanders the second best then they are a sad and sorry party

It's an opportunity for the Vice President of either side to get a crack at the top job, you feel(!)

 

[fernandopartridge]

The actual trigger for the huge wave of domestic troubles in the states would probably have happened irrespective of who was in power.... The division was there long before trump... It was magnified by a police officer shooting a black man.

The division has been there since forever

I will ofcourse from here on out be taking a good look at how the media represent Biden going forward and how they judge him on his actions, and ofcourse the public and how they react

Yep, Biden and his politics are just as responsible for it as Trump and his. America is a pretty sick nation yet plenty of people in this country want to emulate it.

 

[Evo1883]

Yep, Biden and his politics are just as responsible for it as Trump and his. America is a pretty sick nation yet plenty of people in this country want to emulate it.

I dont understand the need to emulate America... I don't like American culture and its not something I want for Britain

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

I watched it all night they weren’t

Says the guy with a Joe Biden bedsheet!

 

[Grendel]

Says the guy with a Joe Biden bedsheet!

Most were aghast that trump was actually holding his own in the race

 

[djr8369]

A lot of talk Latinos reportedly went for Trump due to fears of "socialism and communism". I mean people complain about the media being unfair to Trump but people seem to have been successfully convinced that Biden is on the same spectrum as Stalin.