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usskyblue

usskyblue

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Grendel said:
Of course he’s a disaster candidate. He’s up against the most reviled and divisive president in memory and has a pandemic economic slump and race riots effectively in his favour.

He’s won by far less in percentage terms overall than predicted and by the smallest of margins in swing states.

He’s also a disaster candidate as he has no vision and is considered a racist even by his Vice President
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Biden has more votes than any other presidential candidate in US history. He also is carrying a popular vote of over 4 million and counting. Whether it’s because Trump’s a complete disgrace or not, credit is due to Biden.

Not an ideal replacement in my personal opinion but With Biden, I know how to decode the bullshit. It’s literally going to be a huge relief not having to deal with Trump, who I honestly believe is fucking unhinged.

In other words... I prefer a more presidential fisting.
 
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djr8369

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Grendel said:
Of course he’s a disaster candidate. He’s up against the most reviled and divisive president in memory and has a pandemic economic slump and race riots effectively in his favour.

He’s won by far less in percentage terms overall than predicted and by the smallest of margins in swing states.

He’s also a disaster candidate as he has no vision and is considered a racist even by his Vice President
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Alternate take - the race riots have pushed some of the black vote to Trump as some people feel it went too far and Trump successfully politicised Covid enough that all it did was entrench positions.
 
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SBT

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Grendel said:
Of course he’s a disaster candidate. He’s up against the most reviled and divisive president in memory and has a pandemic economic slump and race riots effectively in his favour.

He’s won by far less in percentage terms overall than predicted and by the smallest of margins in swing states.

He’s also a disaster candidate as he has no vision and is considered a racist even by his Vice President
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We can all see the polls underestimated Trump's support in certain states - what you're apparently struggling with is that they still seem to have correctly projected the vast majority of states (including a couple of historic pickups), and Biden is on track to win handily regardless. You can't bleat about the polls being meaningless and then say Biden's a failure just because he didn't live up to them.

When all's said and done, Biden will have outperformed every presidential candidate not named Obama this century (I don't recall Trump ever being called a "disaster candidate" at this stage in 2016, but I'm sure there's a good reason for that). Presumably you think there's some other Dem candidate who could have obliterated Trump in the way you're suggesting Biden failed to do - curious to know who that would have been, and why they failed to beat Biden in the primaries. (Your comments about Harris suggest you don't know too much about the field, so I can suggest some names if you like)

Ultimately, all the hysteria earlier this week is down to the early results breaking for Trump, and the huge Republican advantage in the electoral college system. Ignore that noise, and you see that Biden has won a decent mandate. Unfortunately it seems like a few novices have been caught out by the events of the week, so hopefully you'll know better for next time.
 
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SBT

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djr8369 said:
Alternate take - the race riots have pushed some of the black vote to Trump as some people feel it went too far and Trump successfully politicised Covid enough that all it did was entrench positions.
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The fact that Trump outperformed in places like Kenosha and expanded his base among several minority groups suggests it's silly to say "race riots were in Biden's favour"....but consider the source here.
 
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SBT said:
I don't recall Trump ever being called a "disaster candidate" at this stage in 2016, but I'm sure there's a good reason for that
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I agree with most of your post, but tbf there were a fair few reports about how Trump inevitably losing meant the Republican Party were in serious crisis... and fancy picking him in the first place, anyway ha ha.
 
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chiefdave said:
I'd be fuming if I was in the military serving my country only to be told my vote wouldn't be counted.
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*Any* idea which way Military personnel have tended to vote this election?

Hope to God they don't tend to vote heavily Trump, about the difference of whatever the result is!
 
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djr8369

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SBT said:
The fact that Trump outperformed in places like Kenosha and expanded his base among several minority groups suggests it's silly to say "race riots were in Biden's favour"....but consider the source here.
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Worth noting that it’s quite obvious Trump saw both the race riots and covid as disasters he could politicise to firm up his support. Naive (or dishonest) of people to see them as some huge advantage to Biden when the country was clearly split of both issues.

Also, says a lot about Trumps character that his instincts lead him to use crisis that way.
 
tisza

tisza

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Deleted member 5849 said:
Recount in Georgia. Hope to God it doesn't hinge on that!
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will probably be in Pennsylvania as well margins too close - looks like Nevada & Arizona could fall into that category as well if result is in doubt.
But no recount in modern federal or state elections has seen a significant change in the tallies - few hundred votes swings but even they are few and far beween.
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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djr8369 said:
Alternate take - the race riots have pushed some of the black vote to Trump as some people feel it went too far and Trump successfully politicised Covid enough that all it did was entrench positions.
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I've been wondering how Biden will approach his Covid response.

Being the US I can't see him trying to put in some lockdown given the economic effects, plus he'd be starting off his presidency on a very unpopular thing that would just fan the flames more. But he can't just let the situation continue like this or over winter the figures are going to be catastrophic with Thanksgiving and Xmas when loads of people travel and meet up with family. This will be used by the right as a proof he's a terrible president.

He could ingratiate himself with more of the traditional Rep areas and ease tensions which are quite rural/ low pop density by largely exempting them from restrictions due to less likelihood of transmission.

Higher density areas like cities he'll have more support and I reckon he'll encourage states/city majors to lock down in these areas but not force them to. Some heavily Dem ones may do so, more Rep will resist but then the comparisons on infection levels, deaths etc between these areas will provide evidence as to whether it was correct or not and he can simultaneously take credit if they go down yet also distance himself from the unpopular move as it was only recommended. If it work it may embolden him to go further and then impose restrictions on areas that are refusing.

Wouldn't surprise me if the figures showed the areas which added in restrictions came down you'd have the conspiracy theorists saying it's because the figures are false and many cases/deaths weren't being reported to make it look better.
 
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SBT

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Deleted member 5849 said:
I agree with most of your post, but tbf there were a fair few reports about how Trump inevitably losing meant the Republican Party were in serious crisis... and fancy picking him in the first place, anyway ha ha.
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At this stage in 2016 (i.e. after the election), you couldn't move for hysterical takes on how the results had single-handedly upended the entire US political system thanks to a dazzling campaign, and would let Trump revolutionize Washington for decades to come with an unprecedented mandate.

Now Biden's on track to do even better four years later and apparently he's a disaster. OK then!
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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I have to admit it may actually end up being a comprehensive electoral college win for Biden. I expected him to win the popular vote by more than Clinton did but electoral college to be low 270's. Could be above 300.
 
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djr8369

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
I've been wondering how Biden will approach his Covid response.

Being the US I can't see him trying to put in some lockdown given the economic effects, plus he'd be starting off his presidency on a very unpopular thing that would just fan the fans more. But he can't just let the situation continue like this or over winter the figures are going to be catastrophic with Thanksgiving and Xmas when loads of people travel and meet up with family. This will be used by the right as a proof he's a terrible president.

He could ingratiate himself with more of the traditional Rep areas and ease tensions which are quite rural/ low pop density by largely exempting them from restrictions due to less likelihood of transmission.

Higher density areas like cities he'll have more support and I reckon he'll encourage states/city majors to lock down in these areas but not force them to. Some heavily Dem ones may do so, more Rep will resist but then the comparisons on infection levels, deaths etc between these areas will provide evidence as to whether it was correct or not and he can simultaneously take credit if they go down yet also distance himself from the unpopular move as it was only recommended. If it work it may embolden him to go further and then impose restrictions on areas that are refusing.

Wouldn't surprise me if the figures showed the areas which added in restrictions came down you'd have the conspiracy theorists saying it's because the figures are false and many cases/deaths weren't being reported to make it look better.
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I was thinking the same thing. Whatever he does they’ll try and block it and then criticise him for not being effective. I don’t envy him.
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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Deleted member 5849 said:
*Any* idea which way Military personnel have tended to vote this election?

Hope to God they don't tend to vote heavily Trump, about the difference of whatever the result is!
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Instinct would tell you they'd be naturally Rep/conservative on the whole, but Trump is a whole other kettle of fish so who knows. I think they'd have the country ahead of the candidate though and I don't think Biden has done anything to put a moderate off.
 
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SBT

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djr8369 said:
Worth noting that it’s quite obvious Trump saw both the race riots and covid as disasters he could politicise to firm up his support. Naive (or dishonest) of people to see them as some huge advantage to Biden when the country was clearly split of both issues.

Also, says a lot about Trumps character that his instincts lead him to use crisis that way.
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I broadly agree with you on the riots, but disagree with you on Covid - it was clear from the start that Trump wanted more than anything to ignore it completely and campaign as if it didn't exist. I think many people have voted for Trump out of a willingness to do the same, but that's an accident rather than a deliberate campaign strategy.

Were it not for his insane hubris (and the complete failure to control the virus) he would probably have won easily. Instead he infected himself, destroyed his own economy, and saw the virus directly cost him the election.
 
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djr8369

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tisza said:
will probably be in Pennsylvania as well margins too close - looks like Nevada & Arizona could fall into that category as well if result is in doubt.
But no recount in modern federal or state elections has seen a significant change in the tallies - few hundred votes swings but even they are few and far beween.
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Think Biden is on course for up to 2% lead in Pennsylvania.
 
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djr8369

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SBT said:
I broadly agree with you on the riots, but disagree with you on Covid - it was clear from the start that Trump wanted more than anything to ignore it completely and campaign as if it didn't exist. I think many people have voted for Trump out of a willingness to do the same, but that's an accident rather than a deliberate campaign strategy.

Were it not for his insane hubris (and the complete failure to control the virus) he would probably have won easily. Instead he infected himself, destroyed his own economy, and saw the virus directly cost him the election.
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You could be right but I’m really not convinced. The politicisation around masks, the way they have spoken about the scientists, stuff about freedom and Liberty makes it feel very intentional.
 
Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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SBT said:
We can all see the polls underestimated Trump's support in certain states - what you're apparently struggling with is that they still seem to have correctly projected the vast majority of states (including a couple of historic pickups), and Biden is on track to win handily regardless. You can't bleat about the polls being meaningless and then say Biden's a failure just because he didn't live up to them.

When all's said and done, Biden will have outperformed every presidential candidate not named Obama this century (I don't recall Trump ever being called a "disaster candidate" at this stage in 2016, but I'm sure there's a good reason for that). Presumably you think there's some other Dem candidate who could have obliterated Trump in the way you're suggesting Biden failed to do - curious to know who that would have been, and why they failed to beat Biden in the primaries. (Your comments about Harris suggest you don't know too much about the field, so I can suggest some names if you like)

Ultimately, all the hysteria earlier this week is down to the early results breaking for Trump, and the huge Republican advantage in the electoral college system. Ignore that noise, and you see that Biden has won a decent mandate. Unfortunately it seems like a few novices have been caught out by the events of the week, so hopefully you'll know better for next time.
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Yes, because Biden won by such a big margin, the result isn't even confirmed two and a half days later.

Don't get me wrong, it is probably for the best Trump is nowhere near power, but trying to deny the polls got it very wrong is deluded. You really don't have the stand point to be so arrogant.
 
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SBT

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Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Yes, because Biden won by such a big margin, the result isn't even confirmed two and a half days later.

Don't get me wrong, it is probably for the best Trump is nowhere near power, but trying to deny the polls got it very wrong is deluded. You really don't have the stand point to be so arrogant.
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He is winning by a big margin. Again - don't let the weird counting schedule, or the fact that the polls predicted an even bigger one distract you from that.

And the polls ended up getting what, two out of 50 states wrong? Boy, sure hope someone gets fired for that blunder.
 
clint van damme

clint van damme

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hill83 said:
Remember him! What a prick. Top Gear isn't the same now.
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He's in deep shit over his build the wall scam.
I've always thought, as much as he's a c**t he's a clever bloke but he made some right schoolboy errors in the process of pulling off this grift.
 
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