Pfizer COVID-19 Vaccine (8 Viewers)

[shmmeee]

Fair. I went off at @pastythegreat half cocked, I thought he was a covidiot, he’s just selfish. That’s fine. No problems with people being selfish as long as it’s not based in conspiracy theories.

Apologies Pasty.

 

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[shmmeee]

It is totally off the wall logic, why the fuck would 'they' want to track everyone? Never understood that mindset.

Also, if Gates or anyone had the tech to create an injectable SoC that could monitor all this stuff, they’d make billions in the health and fitness market legally. With no need for a conspiracy involving literally millions of people keeping quiet.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

How does the new coronavirus compare to influenza? - Full Fact

The World Health Organisation says the Covid-19 coronavirus spreads slower than the flu, but appears to have a higher mortality rate.

fullfact.org

Look, shmee seems to think I'm not taking covud seriously, I am, its a killer. People might think I'm sat here in a tin foil hat denying it all saying its a conspiracy, im not! I get it, covid kills people. Of that im certain. What I'm saying though, is MY personal situation states that im more lively to be affected by the flu, therefore have taken the appropriate actions to help prevent that.

With respect, a complete stranger dying from covid is of far less importance to me than my children dying of the flu. And as my children are far more susceptible to the flu, that is my concern. Yes, I still take action to not contract coronavirus and will do until told otherwise. But I wont be rushing out for a vaccine until there is proof of no side effects or aftermath.

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Just FYI the COVID vaccine is RNA-based, so it doesn’t even contain samples of virus or pathogen. It should be one of the lowest risk out there.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

I'm not against having the vaccine, but I am not in a rush to get it either. I would only really be doing it to protect others, as I travel around quite a bit.

If I was told I could go on holiday, to bars, or to the football if I had it, then I would do it without delay. Sick of this shit at the moment.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I'm not against having the vaccine, but I am not in a rush to get it either. I would only really be doing it to protect others, as I travel around quite a bit.

If I was told I could go on holiday, to bars, or to the football if I had it, then I would do it without delay. Sick of this shit at the moment.

Likewise.

 

[ajsccfc]

I like the idea of big tech absolutely wasting their bandwidth tracking me. 'Fuck me, crisps again?'

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I like the idea of big tech absolutely wasting their bandwidth tracking me. 'Fuck me, crisps again?'

Pringles or Walkers?

 

[Liquid Gold]

Just use a VPN when you look at really nasty porn and some poor bloke in Indiana will be on their watch list instead.

 

[ajsccfc]

Pringles or Walkers?

Walkers generally, Pringles if I'm feeling fancy. Also got a thing for cheese Bugles at the moment, a proper stinker

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Walkers generally, Pringles if I'm feeling fancy. Also got a thing for cheese Bugles at the moment, a proper stinker

If I start a Pringles tin I’ll end up finishing it so haven’t bought one in ages actually

 

[Skybluefaz]

It's a no brainer for me, if it gets shit back to normal I'm in.

 

[hill83]

Personally not bothered either way if I have to wait or not. But whatever I can do to help get things back to normal. And for selfish reasons for me means pubs and clubs back to normal and back at the football.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

If I start a Pringles tin I’ll end up finishing it so haven’t bought one in ages actually

That's one way lockdown's been good for me, teaching me a small amount of food self-discipline.

Mind you, the chocolates I bought for Christmas this week appear to be half-eaten already...

 

[fernandopartridge]

I'm not against having the vaccine, but I am not in a rush to get it either. I would only really be doing it to protect others, as I travel around quite a bit.

If I was told I could go on holiday, to bars, or to the football if I had it, then I would do it without delay. Sick of this shit at the moment.

You'd think it would be a condition of leaving any country to have it tbh, I'd hope the UK government makes it so.

 

[fatso]

The same department that told us phalidamide was safe, is now telling us the covid vaccine is safe.
If that's not cause for caution, I dont know what is. I'm not against having it, and I may have to if I want to go abroad again, but I'm sure not going to be in the first wave of guinea pigs queuing up for it.
I have an aging family member who's had a liver transplant who obviously wants it asap, and I totally get that, as she's very vulnerable, so I'll just not visit her for a while.
And if those who dont want it yet have to use a mask for the foreseeable then so be it.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The same department that told us phalidamide was safe, is now telling us the covid vaccine is safe.
If that's not cause for caution, I dont know what is. I'm not against having it, and I may have to if I want to go abroad again, but I'm sure not going to be in the first wave of guinea pigs queuing up for it.
I have an aging family member who's had a liver transplant who obviously wants it asap, and I totally get that, as she's very vulnerable, so I'll just not visit her for a while.
And if those who dont want it yet have to use a mask for the foreseeable then so be it.

Not quite the same it was decades ago.Thalidomide converts itself into the ‘bad’ version of itself only once in the body, the mechanism of which couldn’t have been foreseen at the time. Standards and technology have changed vastly since then.

This isn’t a drug or even live or dead virus. It’s just a piece of viral RNA.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Not quite the same it was decades ago.Thalidomide converts itself into the ‘bad’ version of itself only once in the body, the mechanism of which couldn’t have been foreseen at the time. Standards and technology have changed vastly since then.

This isn’t a drug or even live or dead virus. It’s just a piece of viral RNA.

tbf, I get the worry about things being rushed through at the present time. It's why I get more reassured, rather than less, when they say things are a fair way away yet, and also when trials are paused - it shows there is still the rigour there, it's just all a bit turbocharged.

 

[fatso]

Not quite the same it was decades ago.Thalidomide converts itself into the ‘bad’ version of itself only once in the body, the mechanism of which couldn’t have been foreseen at the time. Standards and technology have changed vastly since then.

This isn’t a drug or even live or dead virus. It’s just a piece of viral RNA.

That might well be true, and I'm not clever enough to even try and understand the theory behind the vaccine, all I know is, I wont be among the first to have it, even when it's made available to my demographic.

I have a feeling that we may be put on an international register of some sort once we've had it, to allow free movement around the world, like a vaccine Visa of some sort.
I'm not sure how I'd feel about that to be honest, I can see good and bad arguments arising.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

tbf, I get the worry about things being rushed through at the present time. It's why I get more reassured, rather than less, when they say things are a fair way away yet, and also when trials are paused - it shows there is still the rigour there, it's just all a bit turbocharged.

Yes but the scientist in me understands that there’s a night and day difference in what he’s talking about.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

That might well be true, and I'm not clever enough to even try and understand the theory behind the vaccine, all I know is, I wont be among the first to have it, even when it's made available to my demographic.

I have a feeling that we may be put on an international register of some sort once we've had it, to allow free movement around the world, like a vaccine Visa of some sort.
I'm not sure how I'd feel about that to be honest, I can see good and bad arguments arising.

Usually a vaccine would give you a weakened or dead form of the virus to train your body to fight it. This doesn’t even use that but part of the virus’ RNA.

 

[Sky Blue Harry H]

To lighten the mood, my wife arrived home this lunchtime laughing, saying that 2 neighbours were in the street and one had just said to the other 'I'm not sure this vaccine will work, and anyway you might get given a gazebo' (promise that's true - better still, she's retired from the NHS, albeit admin!)

 

[Tommo1993]

I wish to donate my vaccine to Pasty and family.

 

[Houchens Head]

I'm 68 next birthday. I've got a dicky ticker (4 previous heart attacks), type 2 diabetes and severe arthritis (awaiting full knee replacement) so yes, I'd have the vaccine at the drop of a hat. Hopefully, I'll be one of the first (age and health reasons). I just want this shitty way of life we've had to endure all this year, to end as soon as possible. I just don't get why some people don't want it. Are they mad?? Let's just get back to normality!

 

[fatso]

To lighten the mood, my wife arrived home this lunchtime laughing, saying that 2 neighbours were in the street and one had just said to the other 'I'm not sure this vaccine will work, and anyway you might get given a gazebo' (promise that's true - better still, she's retired from the NHS, albeit admin!)

If they give you a gazebo at least you'll be covered!

 

[fatso]

I'm 68 next birthday. I've got a dicky ticker (4 previous heart attacks), type 2 diabetes and severe arthritis (awaiting full knee replacement) so yes, I'd have the vaccine at the drop of a hat. Hopefully, I'll be one of the first (age and health reasons). I just want this shitty way of life we've had to endure all this year, to end as soon as possible. I just don't get why some people don't want it. Are they mad?? Let's just get back to normality!

They arnt mad, just wary of having an unproven vaccine injected into them, its totally understandable, especially if they are young fit and healthy not in any at risk group and yet to procreate. Everyone is frustrated with the current restrictions, but no vaccine has ever come out with a 100% guarantee that its risk free.

Also, how long will you be immune for?
What if the virus mutated?
What if there's more pandemics?
How many vaccines is it safe to have?

All the above legitimate questions wont bother you if your 68 and vulnerable, but they will if your 28 and fit.

 

[Evo1883]

Yes,never understood the tin foil hat theories about population control when vaccines have helped contribute to a longer average life span than ever...

 

[Nick]

Are Thalidomide jokes frowned up now?

 

[hill83]

If they give you a gazebo at least you'll be covered!

Lovely stuff

 

[OffenhamSkyBlue]

I will wait patiently in line until they get down to my category (55-60, no known underlying health problems - touch wood), then i will willingly have it.
I simply do not understand the conspiracy theorists, anti-vaxxers and other collective frothers who believe this is all set up to track them, control them, make them reliant on the state, kill them, send them loopy (too late for that for them), etc.
I suggested that following Prof Karol Sikora on Twitter was a good idea a couple of months back, but now he seems to be followed by the biggest bunch of extremist weirdoes in Christendom (and beyond)!

As for the vaccine, it will be safe. I used to work in drug and vaccine development, including clinical trials for novel classes of drugs for devastating but rare genetic conditions, as well as HIV, and the approval process is MAD!

(This bit is a response to @Brighton Sky Blue) As for this vaccine, i would sooner wait for the Oxford/AstraZeneca one, simply because i think it will be more effective (bit of a gut instinct). Adenovirus pseudotyped with SARS-CoV-2 Spike protein will stick around rather longer and in a more predictable way than a small fragment of Spike mRNA, which will (a) be a bastard to get into the recipients' cells in any efficient way, and (b) fall apart pretty quickly once it gets in there. I'd rather not have the transfection reagent injected into me either, but that's a minor point.
The storage at -80C is going to be a problem for worldwide distribution, but i don't know how stable the Adeno-Spike is at ambient. We were looking at freeze-drying Adenovirus vaccines for HIV about 15 years ago, so that they could be stored for ages anywhere in the world, but it was a bit pie in the sky and never advanced. I haven't followed that field to know if it has been done since.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I will wait patiently in line until they get down to my category (55-60, no known underlying health problems - touch wood), then i will willingly have it.
I simply do not understand the conspiracy theorists, anti-vaxxers and other collective frothers who believe this is all set up to track them, control them, make them reliant on the state, kill them, send them loopy (too late for that for them), etc.
I suggested that following Prof Karol Sikora on Twitter was a good idea a couple of months back, but now he seems to be followed by the biggest bunch of extremist weirdoes in Christendom (and beyond)!

As for the vaccine, it will be safe. I used to work in drug and vaccine development, including clinical trials for novel classes of drugs for devastating but rare genetic conditions, as well as HIV, and the approval process is MAD!

(This bit is a response to @Brighton Sky Blue) As for this vaccine, i would sooner wait for the Oxford/AstraZeneca one, simply because i think it will be more effective (bit of a gut instinct). Adenovirus pseudotyped with SARS-CoV-2 Spike protein will stick around rather longer and in a more predictable way than a small fragment of Spike mRNA, which will (a) be a bastard to get into the recipients' cells in any efficient way, and (b) fall apart pretty quickly once it gets in there. I'd rather not have the transfection reagent injected into me either, but that's a minor point.
The storage at -80C is going to be a problem for worldwide distribution, but i don't know how stable the Adeno-Spike is at ambient. We were looking at freeze-drying Adenovirus vaccines for HIV about 15 years ago, so that they could be stored for ages anywhere in the world, but it was a bit pie in the sky and never advanced. I haven't followed that field to know if it has been done since.

I was kind of wondering that myself to be honest, it’s never been attempted on a scale like this. What I read on the Oxford vaccine suggested it didn’t prevent infection but it did turn people asymptomatic. Perhaps if it’s easier to mass produce and deliver then it makes more sense.

Totally not bitter at Pfizer for turning me down many moons ago!

 

[Ian1779]

What baffles me the most is that some of the most vociferous anti-vaxxers on Facebook have no hesitation in hoovering up 5 grams of cocaine from Big Dave up the road (that may or may not contain rat poison, chalk, baking powder and goodness knows what else) but they are up in arms about having a jab that’s been put together in a lab.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

A jab in a lab sounds like some 'Allo 'Allo code.

 

[Ian1779]

I will wait patiently in line until they get down to my category (55-60, no known underlying health problems - touch wood), then i will willingly have it.
I simply do not understand the conspiracy theorists, anti-vaxxers and other collective frothers who believe this is all set up to track them, control them, make them reliant on the state, kill them, send them loopy (too late for that for them), etc.
I suggested that following Prof Karol Sikora on Twitter was a good idea a couple of months back, but now he seems to be followed by the biggest bunch of extremist weirdoes in Christendom (and beyond)!

As for the vaccine, it will be safe. I used to work in drug and vaccine development, including clinical trials for novel classes of drugs for devastating but rare genetic conditions, as well as HIV, and the approval process is MAD!

(This bit is a response to @Brighton Sky Blue) As for this vaccine, i would sooner wait for the Oxford/AstraZeneca one, simply because i think it will be more effective (bit of a gut instinct). Adenovirus pseudotyped with SARS-CoV-2 Spike protein will stick around rather longer and in a more predictable way than a small fragment of Spike mRNA, which will (a) be a bastard to get into the recipients' cells in any efficient way, and (b) fall apart pretty quickly once it gets in there. I'd rather not have the transfection reagent injected into me either, but that's a minor point.
The storage at -80C is going to be a problem for worldwide distribution, but i don't know how stable the Adeno-Spike is at ambient. We were looking at freeze-drying Adenovirus vaccines for HIV about 15 years ago, so that they could be stored for ages anywhere in the world, but it was a bit pie in the sky and never advanced. I haven't followed that field to know if it has been done since.

A question for the science bods - would this be classed as a ‘live’ vaccine? The reason I ask is that I might have mentioned my daughter is on immuno-suppressants and when we enquired about a flu vaccination for this winter, we were told she couldn’t have the ‘live’ version of it (the nasal spray) so would have to have a jab instead.

 

[Macca]

Not arsed for myself far more needy cases

 

[wingy]

I know they will have modelled etc and fine minds will have drawn up the delivery schedule .
Can't help wondering on a couple of things though .
Is it feasible that delivering it to the under 50's first would give double the whammy to Covid?
They're more likely to spread due to their activeness /lifestyle .
Once they're protected by definition the older in society are .
Thus economy life etc are free,no social distancing at work etc ,more benefits too I'd guess.
Second could it be rolled out regionally, across all age groups, blitz a county af a time, focus all resources to one zone at a time.maintain restrictions and travel limit's during each area's delivery.