Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (69 Viewers)

[David O'Day]

Not sure its a huge issue. Better to have decent quality control than push on with vaccines that may not work or have side effects, or as in the case of the UoQ one have a knock on effect in public health due to triggering HIV false positives. We're way ahead of where we were expecting to be in terms of vaccines, to expect every vaccine in development to fly through testing with no issues isn't realistic.

In the case of the UoQ vaccine it won't actually mean there is less doses in circulation as their manufacturer, CSL, will now produce 20 million doses of the Astra vaccine for use in Australia. And GSK are still expecting to be ready to manufacture in 2021.

You need as many different types of vaccine in circulation as possible. What happens if there is mutation and suddenly the current vaccineds are less effective or don't work?

GSK are hopeful but they really don't know what will happen as they have had to start phase 2 again.

 

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[Ccfcisparks]

As soon as London were placed into tier 2 after lockdown you could tell it was all for MP's self interest. Now they are putting special measures in place to prevent London going into tier 3 when they couldn't be arsed with other areas. All this government cares about is London and not the north.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Not sure its a huge issue. Better to have decent quality control than push on with vaccines that may not work or have side effects, or as in the case of the UoQ one have a knock on effect in public health due to triggering HIV false positives. We're way ahead of where we were expecting to be in terms of vaccines, to expect every vaccine in development to fly through testing with no issues isn't realistic.

In the case of the UoQ vaccine it won't actually mean there is less doses in circulation as their manufacturer, CSL, will now produce 20 million doses of the Astra vaccine for use in Australia. And GSK are still expecting to be ready to manufacture in 2021.

Yeah makes me more confident of the ones that work

 

[CCFCSteve]

As soon as London were placed into tier 2 after lockdown you could tell it was all for MP's self interest. Now they are putting special measures in place to prevent London going into tier 3 when they couldn't be arsed with other areas. All this government cares about is London and not the north.

Yeah, london should be in T3. Don’t understand why they aren’t doing weekly reviews (to move people up and down tiers, may also reduce potential surges ie London now expecting to go into T3 next week so probably all out this weekend). Not sure about North/South divide though, Liverpool has the rollout for the community testing which helped get them down into T2

ps it’s us poor midlanders that are being missed out

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I know it’s bullshit - a week of remote learning and everyone is safe at Xmas.

It’s upsetting but you know what the whole year has been shit from start to finish so I wasn’t surprised.

 

[David O'Day]

the admissions decrease is starting to flatten and in some places sharply increase

 

[fernandopartridge]

the admissions decrease is starting to flatten and in some places sharply increase

It has never dropped below 1k a day, it hit a low point on 28th November and has been on its way back up since i think. It's just completely unsustainable

 

[CCFCSteve]

It has never dropped below 1k a day, it hit a low point on 28th November and has been on its way back up since i think. It's just completely unsustainable

Might’ve mentioned previously, I keep an eye on hospital Covid figures if you’re interested Fernando (DOD and others). It’s only England though. If you scan down to daily admissions (which will have latest date on - currently yesterday 10 Dec) and then on spreadsheet down to No 6 (Total patients) it has breakdown of the total currently in hospital with Covid in each of the regions

Statistics » COVID-19 Hospital Activity

A number of data collections have been implemented to support incident management. The collections were activated at short notice and the content of the collections has evolved as the incident has developed. The data collected is classified as management information. It has been collected on a...

www.england.nhs.uk

Numbers have crept up a little this week but been steady around 13k-14k for a while.

 

[LastGarrison]

Has there been any figures released on how many people have been vaccinated so far this week?

 

[fernandopartridge]

Might’ve mentioned previously, I keep an eye on hospital Covid figures if you’re interested Fernando (DOD and others). It’s only England though. If you scan down to daily admissions (which will have latest date on - currently yesterday 10 Dec) and then on spreadsheet down to No 6 (Total patients) it has breakdown of the total currently in hospital with Covid in each of the regions

Statistics » COVID-19 Hospital Activity

A number of data collections have been implemented to support incident management. The collections were activated at short notice and the content of the collections has evolved as the incident has developed. The data collected is classified as management information. It has been collected on a...

www.england.nhs.uk

Numbers have crept up a little this week but been steady around 13k-14k for a while.

I used to look at that page but couldn't find it for ages, cheers.

 

[David O'Day]

Might’ve mentioned previously, I keep an eye on hospital Covid figures if you’re interested Fernando (DOD and others). It’s only England though. If you scan down to daily admissions (which will have latest date on - currently yesterday 10 Dec) and then on spreadsheet down to No 6 (Total patients) it has breakdown of the total currently in hospital with Covid in each of the regions

Statistics » COVID-19 Hospital Activity

A number of data collections have been implemented to support incident management. The collections were activated at short notice and the content of the collections has evolved as the incident has developed. The data collected is classified as management information. It has been collected on a...

www.england.nhs.uk

Numbers have crept up a little this week but been steady around 13k-14k for a while.

Thanks, I was getting my stats from

Covid inquiry: The UK pandemic in numbers

Explore the data on how the coronavirus pandemic unfolded in the UK.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[xcraigx]

21,672 cases today, 424 deaths.

17.7% increase week on week case wise. We're not far off the figures being posted when we went into lockdown. Test rates up 7.3% but the growth in positives outstrips that. The R rate now seems to have crept up to 0.9 - 1. I wonder what state we will be in once the Xmas festivities get under way. I also wonder what sort of carnage January could bring.

 

[David O'Day]

21,672 cases today, 424 deaths.

17.7% increase week on week case wise. We're not far off the figures being posted when we went into lockdown. Test rates up 7.3% but the growth in positives outstrips that. The R rate now seems to have crept up to 0.9 - 1. I wonder what state we will be in once the Xmas festivities get under way. I also wonder what sort of carnage January could bring.

January is another lockdown or at least tier 3 for most

 

[fernandopartridge]

January is another lockdown or at least tier 3 for most

And death for about 20k

 

[Mcbean]

Wales is in trouble - they just dont listen - along with a load of people in London

 

[Ian1779]

I think Northamptonshire will be in Tier 3 next time they review it - certainly the east of the county anyway.

 

[David O'Day]

Covid: Trials to test combination of Oxford and Sputnik vaccines - this is why we need as many different vaccines as possible

 

[fernandopartridge]

Covid: Trials to test combination of Oxford and Sputnik vaccines - this is why we need as many different vaccines as possible

That one is called a White Russian

 

[wingy]

Who'd take the Chinese concoction?
I would.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Just so depressing.

 

[wingy]

Assuming the reporting of the BBC is accurate/reliable ,the private lobbying by independent scientists etc ,no doubt Trump too have bounced the FDA to approve the Phizer vaccine before/sooner than it would have.
Question if that is the case is there really any difference between this and say current boogeyman States China and Russia approving there's via dictat ?

 

[David O'Day]

The app really didn't do much did it

 

[wingy]

The app really didn't do much did it

Is there an article?

 

[wingy]

Surprised to hear that Only 10% isolate after coming into contact with infectious person and 20% of those infected.
Thought we'd been data or Gov't statement's suggesting around 60% compliance.

 

[CCFCSteve]

Surprised to hear that Only 10% isolate after coming into contact with infectious person and 20% of those infected.
Thought we'd been data or Gov't statement's suggesting around 60% compliance.

Seen these types of stats before wingy. Frightening. To be fair some will be work related (ie can’t afford to self isolate) but they’ll be plenty of others that won’t be. I just hope they at least steered clear of elderly and higher risk

It’s why the track and trace stuff is pretty futile ! I know the government has had a fair few f*ck ups during this (as have most nations) but there has got to be an large element of personal responsibility as well.

hopefully reduction in isolation time will increase compliance

 

[tisza]

We're much worse off here than the first wave and also seemingly in comparison to the UK.
Putting our numbers into context (UK population 7 times bigger) would have us with daily deaths well over a 1000 and new infections around the 35-45000 mark.
Main difference in circumstances from first wave (weather aside) are non-essential shops still open (although not busy) and schools for the under 14s still open.

 

[wingy]

We're much worse off here than the first wave and also seemingly in comparison to the UK.
Putting our numbers into context (UK population 7 times bigger) would have us with daily deaths well over a 1000 and new infections around the 35-45000 mark.
Main difference in circumstances from first wave (weather aside) are non-essential shops still open (although not busy) and schools for the under 14s still open.

Even allowing for that extrapolation we've hit over 100k per day in both wave's.
Luckily the novel treatments appear to have reduced mortality by over a third, maybe up to 50%
Edit:- how is the health provision coping over there?

 

[CCFCSteve]

We're much worse off here than the first wave and also seemingly in comparison to the UK.
Putting our numbers into context (UK population 7 times bigger) would have us with daily deaths well over a 1000 and new infections around the 35-45000 mark.
Main difference in circumstances from first wave (weather aside) are non-essential shops still open (although not busy) and schools for the under 14s still open.

Yeah, unfortunately it feels like those that managed better in the first wave are being hit harder in the second (Saw even Germany had almost 30k cases and 600 deaths yesterday). Guess it’s a combination of a few things....maybe some community immunity, weather (ie more indoors), lack of ability of governments to lockdown harder again (economic cost) and maybe less adherence to restrictions/measures.

hope it settles down over there soon tisza

 

[tisza]

Even allowing for that extrapolation we've hit over 100k per day in both wave's.
Luckily the novel treatments appear to have reduced mortality by over a third, maybe up to 50%
Edit:- how is the health provision coping over there?

Health care at capacity. Good medical staff but poor facilities which is why curfews, masks etc came in so much earlier here (and other East European countries). But have same problem that focus is on COVID and other serious health conditions are not able to get the attention they need due to lack of beds etc. What they have done here is give over whole hospitals to COVID rather than having wards etc. in multiple hospitals.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Seen these types of stats before wingy. Frightening. To be fair some will be work related (ie can’t afford to self isolate) but they’ll be plenty of others that won’t be. I just hope they at least steered clear of elderly and higher risk

It’s why the track and trace stuff is pretty futile ! I know the government has had a fair few f*ck ups during this (as have most nations) but there has got to be an large element of personal responsibility as well.

hopefully reduction in isolation time will increase compliance

My mum pretty much continuing as normal shes 79 with copd regularly getting the bus into town to see friend and go shopping. Blows my mind

 

[LastGarrison]

My mum pretty much continuing as normal shes 79 with copd regularly getting the bus into town to see friend and go shopping. Blows my mind

My Old Man’s not dissimilar.

But for the older generation you have to realise that months are like years. How many people out there realise that this is probably their last Christmas and they can’t even be with their kids and Grandkids?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

My Old Man’s not dissimilar.

But for the older generation you have to realise that months are like years. How many people out there realise that this is probably their last Christmas and they can’t even be with their kids and Grandkids?

How do you handle it

 

[xcraigx]

Most of my lot live over in Wales these days, luckily the northern bit so cases are relatively low. My grandparents and parents are being quite sensible and giving Xmas a swerve this year which i'm glad about. I don't have to clean the house either, lovely.

They reckon there's lots of local chatter about a new 4 week lockdown coming into force straight after the 5 day Xmas free for all. Their 17 day lockdown slowed things down a little but case rates were soon back to pre lockdown levels and now Wales is posting record highs seemingly every day. Parts of the south are posting crazy numbers and it won't be long before the local hospitals are full. Of course it can take some time between a positive case being diagnosed and the need for hospital care so I think it's pretty much a given that the admission numbers are going to really ramp up in the next week or so.

 

[LastGarrison]

How do you handle it

Badly.

I couldn't help it the other week and told him that I was not ready to bury him next to my Mum.

Although I meant it from the bottom of my heart. I felt a right c**t.

 

[derbyskyblue]

Don

Badly.

I couldn't help it the other week and told him that I was not ready to bury him next to my Mum.

Although I meant it from the bottom of my heart. I felt a right c**t.

Dont feel bad, sometimes their is nothing wrong with a bit of tough love.