stay_up_skyblues
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Was my initial reaction. Then I read that the second guy in line for execution molested, tortured and then beat his two year old daughter to death. Bit torn on it now.
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Was my initial reaction. Then I read that the second guy in line for execution molested, tortured and then beat his two year old daughter to death. Bit torn on it now.
Sky Blue Pete
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Yep you either have the penalty or not, if you do you Probably should have the courage to see it through. The first guy though?’ 18 when he did it. No excuse but seems unnecessary
fernandopartridge
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Probably got a few heavy addictions at a guess
skybluetony176
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Not read the details myself but apparently the first guy was guilty of knowing something was going down (not necessarily a murder), wasn’t actually there when the murder took place, they know who the actual murderer was who also happened to be murdered in the same incident but rather than trial him as an accessory to murder they trailed him for murder for which he was found guilty and sentenced to death, which happened yesterday. Not sure you could say his sentence was warranted let alone the actual execution if there’s any truth to what I was told.
Having said that the second guy by the sound of it deserved it. But just for balance consider the first guy.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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The death penalty is always a very sensitive subject. I personally would struggle to ever think it is acceptable for the risk of getting the verdict wrong.
Look at that nutcase Duterte in the Philippines though. He just gets people to do it off the record and doesn't give a fuck.
I have no doubts some people don't deserve to be walking this earth, but how do you prove it?
Look at that nutcase Duterte in the Philippines though. He just gets people to do it off the record and doesn't give a fuck.
I have no doubts some people don't deserve to be walking this earth, but how do you prove it?
Skybluefaz
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That's the thing isn't it. No doubt there are many that deserve the ultimate punishment but if you get one wrong...
stay_up_skyblues
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Purely based on the BBC article, my understanding is that the guy executed yesterday was an accomplice in the shooting of a couple in their car.
The man who shot them was convicted and executed previously.
This guy did not pull the trigger, but set fire to the car after the couple were shot.
Prosecution argued the female of the couple was killed by the fire as she had soot in her lungs and so was still breathing. Defence argued the guy (18 at the time) was basically forced to burn the car by the older gang leader.
stay_up_skyblues
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Isn’t the stat for Texas (for example) 13 people out of 500 odd exonerated after the fact?
shmmeee
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There’s no coherent argument is my issue. If it’s about cost it doesn’t work, if it’s about reoffending then we should be executing petty thieves and letting rapists and murderers go (as they have some of the lowest reoffending rates).
Which means it’s purely about revenge and blood lust and as you say making a judgement on who “deserves” to live. Which I feel very uncomfortable about.
skybluetony176
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Fair enough. Not quite the “innocent“ person I was told he was.
Trumps still got a blood lust though.
David O'Day
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The risk of killing an innocent person is the only argument against the death penalty you will ever need.
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I hear ya, but taking a life should be sacrosanct. Moreover, a state/state leader should never, ever have the power to do it.
EDIT: obs meant that life is sacrosanct, not the taking of it!
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Sky Blue Pete
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Yep that’s what I think too. I feel sorry for the person who’s job it is too
David O'Day
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US Supreme Court rejects Trump-backed bid to overturn election
The lawsuit sought to invalidate results in four states where President Trump lost the US election.
www.bbc.co.uk
Stuffing the supreme isn't working out like the donald thought
David O'Day
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Pretty soon they're gonna have to try and get on Judge Judy
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Hahaha
ovduk78
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US Supreme Court rejects Trump-backed bid to overturn election - BBC News
The Supreme Court did it's job but some Republicans think it was unconstitutional ffs, one of them from Texas even suggested that "Perhaps law-abiding states should bond together and form a Union of states that will abide by the constitution." This division created by Trump & some Republicans could take years to heal.
The Supreme Court did it's job but some Republicans think it was unconstitutional ffs, one of them from Texas even suggested that "Perhaps law-abiding states should bond together and form a Union of states that will abide by the constitution." This division created by Trump & some Republicans could take years to heal.
tisza
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cynical pandering of those Republican members of congress ( that supported the lawsuit ) to Trump fanbase.
Was never going to get through the SC.
These divisions won't heal fully. It's now a battle to win over hearts and minds of the majority of midstream Republicans to generate a level of healing. And that probably means finding a way to remove the Trump influence.
Republicans actually made gains in the House elections and could hold that slim Senate majority. So seemingly wasn't a rejection of the Republican party (which has moved more to the right) just a rejection of Trump. You've got people voting Biden nationally andRepublican locally.
David O'Day
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nah, let them try and secede from the union. worked so well in 1862
skybluetony176
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I do wonder if sensible traditional republican voters, even those that still voted Trump this time look at his behaviour in defeat and think what was I thinking. How many would vote Trump again in 2024 if a Trump gets the Republican nomination.
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I guess Trump has accelerated the increasing partisanship that was happening in the US. Always used to be the case that you could be nominally Republican or Democrat, but find yourself supporting or opposing policies of the incumbent president, even if you were on the same 'side'. Barely any who do that nowadays... and that was something I actually admired about the American democratic model compared to ours.
tisza
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Almost as scary is if Republicans see a Trump replica is the way to take things forward and abandon all sense of moderacy. There are some republicans already in Congress who make Trump seem less radical. Can't ignore how many people still voted for Trump in spite of everything.
Sky Blue Pete
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California might quite like that
Sky Blue Pete
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Not quite how trump sees it
David O'Day
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I wouldn't read that much into any gains the republicans made, they were mostly just very republican districts who went democrat in what was basically a protest midterm in 2018. You also have to remember lots of states districts have been gerrymandered by republican state houses to favour them.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Part of me really wants him to go for it, but not get the nomination. then they can put up with his whining about rigging against him and maybe the penny might drop that rather than it being Dem rigging it was Trump having a massive tantrum from not getting his own way.
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The idea is there's constant smooth governance, where they introduce and brief the successor's team on what's going on. In theory (and tbf in practice) it's tended to work pretty well.
Then they elected an orange narcissist.
David O'Day
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The stupidity of Trumps actiions
www.theguardian.com
'I won't vote next time': could Georgia Republicans' doubts cost them the runoffs?
As Trump relentlessly pushes false claims of fraud, some fear lower turnout – while poll workers fear for their safety
tisza
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Numbers of Republicans who now believe election was rigged is absurd.The stupidity of Trumps actiions
'I won't vote next time': could Georgia Republicans' doubts cost them the runoffs?
As Trump relentlessly pushes false claims of fraud, some fear lower turnout – while poll workers fear for their safety
Biden going to face all sorts of international crises over his term where he will be undermined by having these accusations being used to blur the issues.
skybluetony176
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Merry Xmas everyone
David O'Day
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Even Mitch McConnell has deserted him
tisza
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Probably the last positive thing he'll do for the next 4 years if Republicans hold onto Senate majority
Sky Blue Pete
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92% of republican voters think the election was fraudulent!! Well done President Trump - good luck putting that genie back in the box
skybluetony176
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They recon it’s already going to come back to bite the republicans in the senate run offs with a low republican turnouts handing unexpected victories to the democrats.