Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (253 Viewers)

[hill83]

Fine I’ll shut up and not bother

Pathetic

 

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[Grendel]

So it is down to the government to provide more relief for those made to shut through no fault of their own

Im sorry but that shows your total lack of understanding how the global world works

It’s very naive and I’m not even being funny but it’s a public sector view of a private sector demand led issue

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Pathetic

Well no I have worked in pharmaceuticals, friends working as doctors and some in logistics now also. Look at the case numbers and deaths and the fact we have a much more infectious variant going around, what do you think is the answer? I don’t claim to have the solution but at least ideas are needed.

 

[Grendel]

Pathetic

I agree it’s just me me me and impossible to discuss

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Im sorry but that shows your total lack of understanding how the global world works

It’s very naive and I’m not even being funny but it’s a public sector view of a private sector demand led issue

I could say the same for your view of my work.

 

[hill83]

I don't have the answer or claim to. But I do know shutting down everything would be a disaster. Let's close Openreach down and see how long the infrastructure lasts for people to WFH.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I agree it’s just me me me and impossible to discuss

Oh just piss off

 

[Grendel]

I could say the same for your view of my work.

But everyone has issues you are not unique and in some respects are far more privileged than others but there is never any recognition of that

 

[hill83]

I've always praised teachers. Commendable profession, underpaid and underappreciated for the record.

 

[stupot07]

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[Tommo1993]

I don't have the answer or claim to. But I do know shutting down everything would be a disaster. Let's close Openreach down and see how long the infrastructure lasts for people to WFH.

Openreach who are being torn a new one already! Missus works closely with them, not a happy time.

 

[hill83]

Openreach who are being torn a new one already! Missus works closely with them, not a happy time.

It should be nationalised again imo. That's a whole other thread though.

 

[cowboy1850]

I think Brighton is trying to put across that with schools going back it's inevitable that cases (in schools at least) will go back up again. That will probably have a knock on effect to the national figures and NHS.
In the final 4 weeks before Xmas my school was on its knees. Five classes off, countless staff, unable to do even the basics at times for lack of staff. Is impossible to keep kids separate in the current form. School rotas/days need a massive re-jig and strict rules implemented.

I really can't see any good from schools being forced back at this time.

 

[Nick]

Yes and it's a shit situation. I'd prefer schools to be closed and some free time off to look after my son.

I've had an absolute shit year of it work wise. I've had 1 day off since 14th December. A £5k paycut, and I still have to go into an office.
Do I moan, well yes I am right now. Have you stopped moaning for the last 9 months? Have you bollocks.

Starting to piss me off.

Said this when some of the public sector were moaning about a pay freeze. It's like it's a different world for some people. They will moan to their union, have a little strike and get some money.

I refuse to go to work and I'm at the job centre. I'm not getting a pay rise every year but it pays my bills.

Like you, I'd love to be able to sit in with my daughter and "stay safe" but I really don't have a choice but to work. The same as you and your son's mum.

Guess we can be thankful we still have jobs when we moan as small businesses are being killed off left, right and centre.

 

[hill83]

Said this when some of the public sector were moaning about a pay freeze. It's like it's a different world for some people. They will moan to their union, have a little strike and get some money.

I refuse to go to work and I'm at the job centre. I'm not getting a pay rise every year but it pays my bills.

Like you, I'd love to be able to sit in with my daughter and "stay safe" but I really don't have a choice but to work. The same as you and your son's mum.

I hesitate to get into that because I could quite easily* get a new job and try to get into the public sector, but I don't disagree with what you are saying with the pay freeze bit. Definitely annoyed me at the time. Under normal circumstances, the front line teachers/nurses etc, pay them more or course. Office bods not so much.

*probably not easy

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Exactly the private sectors are very different to public ones.

Not necessarily. There are many jobs that could be done from home that aren't. You're seriously telling me a *digital marketing company* needs to insist all its staff go into the office? Now tbf that company, only one person of the staff hasn't had Covid - best hope for their sake immunity is a thing with the others.

As for bankrupting companies, better for a short term subsidy to get to a stage of increased consumer confidence to actually buy things, then slowly drag out a business's death by expecting it to function as normal.

Nobody, but nobody, is saying all jobs should go to WFH, but you can make more of an effort to make more of them WFH.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Said this when some of the public sector were moaning about a pay freeze. It's like it's a different world for some people. They will moan to their union, have a little strike and get some money.

I refuse to go to work and I'm at the job centre. I'm not getting a pay rise every year but it pays my bills.

Like you, I'd love to be able to sit in with my daughter and "stay safe" but I really don't have a choice but to work. The same as you and your son's mum.

Guess we can be thankful we still have jobs when we moan as small businesses are being killed off left, right and centre.

None of us have a choice but to go in if we're told to.

 

[hill83]

Not necessarily. There are many jobs that could be done from home that aren't. You're seriously telling me a *digital marketing company* needs to insist all its staff go into the office? Now tbf that company, only one person of the staff hasn't had Covid - best hope for their sake immunity is a thing with the others.

As for bankrupting companies, better for a short term subsidy to get to a stage of increased consumer confidence to actually buy things, then slowly drag out a business's death by expecting it to function as normal.

Nobody, but nobody, is saying all jobs should go to WFH, but you can make more of an effort to make more of them WFH.

Head Office wise we are I'd guess 99% WFH. Warehouse and pharmacy wise can't be done.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

But everyone has issues you are not unique and in some respects are far more privileged than others but there is never any recognition of that

Personally I think now is the time to be radical - increase salaries for those who have to go in, decrease those who don't. Try to address some imbalance.

 

[Ian1779]

BSB is not saying close everything down - he knows that can’t happen. What he is saying that every industry that can get people to WFH should do it, it’s not heroic to keep an office open when you don’t need to - it’s reckless. There are people that work in education that are not front facing that can WFH - so get them out of schools. There are people on this very forum (and their partners) that are being forced to be in a building when there is no justifiable need.... why would anyone think this is a sensible thing to do?

Get as many people working at home that can. Less people on the roads, on public transport, coming into contact with others.


Schools full of kids that can’t physically socially distance is a huge risk to everybody, especially with the new variant. It’s not whinging and complaining, it’s about protecting themselves, the kids and their families.

 

[Nick]

I hesitate to get into that because I could quite easily* get a new job and try to get into the public sector, but I don't disagree with what you are saying.

*probably not easy

Well yeah there's always the "if you don't like it get a new job" thing but then even so that's being in a privelaged position in getting work easier than others.

See you down the council house queue next week.

 

[Grendel]

Not necessarily. There are many jobs that could be done from home that aren't. You're seriously telling me a *digital marketing company* needs to insist all its staff go into the office? Now tbf that company, only one person of the staff hasn't had Covid - best hope for their sake immunity is a thing with the others.

As for bankrupting companies, better for a short term subsidy to get to a stage of increased consumer confidence to actually buy things, then slowly drag out a business's death by expecting it to function as normal.

Nobody, but nobody, is saying all jobs should go to WFH, but you can make more of an effort to make more of them WFH.

The company I refer to is actually a network solution provider for its clients and if it fails to meet its commitments - including visits - will be in breach of contract

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Head Office wise we are I'd guess 99% WFH. Warehouse and pharmacy wise can't be done.

But that's it. I'm not saying it can. It's without doubt that there's a fair number of businesses where it's a cultural desire to get people in to work rather than a need. And government needs to lead on shifting that. Doing that doesn't stop there being recognition that *everything* can't stop.

 

[hill83]

To be fair we are all arguing about slightly different aspects of the same thing so I'll leave it now myself.

BSB obviously didn't mean close everything.

 

[Nick]

Personally I think now is the time to be radical - increase salaries for those who have to go in, decrease those who don't. Try to address some imbalance.

Who pays the increase in my salary?

 

[hill83]

Who pays the increase in my salary?

 

[Grendel]

Personally I think now is the time to be radical - increase salaries for those who have to go in, decrease those who don't. Try to address some imbalance.

Even if teachers work from home. That would be a laugh

 

[Ian1779]

Said this when some of the public sector were moaning about a pay freeze. It's like it's a different world for some people. They will moan to their union, have a little strike and get some money.

I refuse to go to work and I'm at the job centre. I'm not getting a pay rise every year but it pays my bills.

Like you, I'd love to be able to sit in with my daughter and "stay safe" but I really don't have a choice but to work. The same as you and your son's mum.

Guess we can be thankful we still have jobs when we moan as small businesses are being killed off left, right and centre.

When you go to work, do you have to supervise 30+ people in a space that is poorly ventilated, where social distancing is impossible and where you have to place yourself at constant risk of contracting a virus? Do you have to repeat this cycle 5/6 times a day with 30+ new people every time?

Maybe you are lucky enough to be able to space out - maybe you are not. You might say private/public sector work is worlds apart but then you probably have lots of H&S benefits afforded to you that we don’t.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Who pays the increase in my salary?

The people who get the decrease.

 

[Grendel]

The people who get the decrease.

nw is Norman Tebitt

 

[hill83]

The people who get the decrease.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

nw is Norman Tebitt

Should have salaires redrawn anyway. Certain professions deserve far more than they get and others... less.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

But everyone has issues you are not unique and in some respects are far more privileged than others but there is never any recognition of that

This private/public sector debate doesn't do anyone any good and it just divides the workforce. You don't know any of my background other than where I went to school but are pretty quick to judge. Then again you have been flaunting your salary around here for years and on occasion mocked other people's income.

If I say I think there should be a short term nationwide lockdown it doesn't mean I think every business can close its doors or that I'm fine with people losing their jobs. The whole point of my job is to put others before myself which is what I've done the best I can. It doesn't mean I think everyone else is dossing it up. You can see the case numbers and the evidence which shows that in the UK there is a new more infectious strain that has mostly replaced the one in other countries.

All I've proposed is a month of closing what ever can be closed while the vaccine is rolled out and case numbers drop. The state does have the means to provide relief and security in the short term. What would you say to those working in hospitals who have been managing high case loads for months? Working from home makes my job harder but I'm offering to do it.

 

[Grendel]

This private/public sector debate doesn't do anyone any good and it just divides the workforce. You don't know any of my background other than where I went to school but are pretty quick to judge. Then again you have been flaunting your salary around here for years and on occasion mocked other people's income.

If I say I think there should be a short term nationwide lockdown it doesn't mean I think every business can close its doors or that I'm fine with people losing their jobs. The whole point of my job is to put others before myself which is what I've done the best I can. It doesn't mean I think everyone else is dossing it up. You can see the case numbers and the evidence which shows that in the UK there is a new more infectious strain that has mostly replaced the one in other countries.

All I've proposed is a month of closing what ever can be closed while the vaccine is rolled out and case numbers drop. The state does have the means to provide relief and security in the short term. What would you say to those working in hospitals who have been managing high case loads for months? Working from home makes my job harder but I'm offering to do it.

Your last two sentences are just jaw dropping let’s leave it there

 

[fernandopartridge]

It should be nationalised again imo. That's a whole other thread though.

Stupid commie idea