Nick
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If old people / people at high risk want to go to the shops and socialise then they should sign a disclaimer.This is an interesting thread on compliance with the regulations. Probably isn't going to calm you down much reading it
Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (82 Viewers)
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Ian1779
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Yeah where are the FSM parents are cashing in their vouchers...
Brighton Sky Blue
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I feel that way a lot at the moment. I wouldn’t make vaccination optional, people should be able to choose how it’s received but not whether to decline it
Ian1779
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The latest one is Brazil isn’t it. Guess I won’t be able to book that Holiday Village Rio de Janiero on Tui anymore.
AOM
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Oooh new ground announcement?
Brighton Sky Blue
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fernandopartridge
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I can't help but think he and others are on a payroll. That said, he's 'only' a GP isn't he? His Centre for Evidence Based Medicine looks to be a bit of a joke, he's ignored copious evidence only selecting information that fits his narrative.
Edit - he is an epidemiologist according to wiki.
Nick
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If they don't have it they give up their right to a bed if they need it.
Let's face it, statistics say that the vast majority won't even be hospitalised if they get covid. How about the at risk people of being hit hard by it don't leave their fucking house, don't have people round etc then it's pretty much impossible for them to get it anyway.
Sky Blue Pete
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Good news and only right in my opinion
Tens of thousands of small businesses are set to receive insurance payouts covering losses in the first national lockdown, following a court ruling.
The Supreme Court found in favour of small firms receiving payments from business interruption insurance policies.
For some, it could provide the lifeline allowing them to trade beyond the coronavirus crisis.
The ruling could cost the insurance sector hundreds of millions of pounds.
In the lockdown of last spring, many small businesses made claims through these insurance policies for loss of earnings when they had to close.
But many insurers refused, arguing only the most specialist policies had cover for such unprecedented restrictions.
It was agreed that a selection of policy wordings be tested in court, setting the parameters for a valid claim.
The Supreme Court dismissed the insurers' appeals.
Tens of thousands of small businesses are set to receive insurance payouts covering losses in the first national lockdown, following a court ruling.
The Supreme Court found in favour of small firms receiving payments from business interruption insurance policies.
For some, it could provide the lifeline allowing them to trade beyond the coronavirus crisis.
The ruling could cost the insurance sector hundreds of millions of pounds.
In the lockdown of last spring, many small businesses made claims through these insurance policies for loss of earnings when they had to close.
But many insurers refused, arguing only the most specialist policies had cover for such unprecedented restrictions.
It was agreed that a selection of policy wordings be tested in court, setting the parameters for a valid claim.
The Supreme Court dismissed the insurers' appeals.
Sky Blue Pete
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Yep that’s the barrington declaration argument. Problem is when they do they might get it
Nick
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Let them get it then.
The massive majority of the country is locked down to protect the small minority of people who would be hospitalised by COVID. The strictest lockdown measures should have been on them all along.
Sky Blue Pete
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4.46 million people are waiting for routine appointments and operations because we are having to deal with Covid in hospital. I understand the frustration and I think those that signed the barrington declaration agree with you and lost didn’t want to see herd immunity or lots of death just shielding of the vulnerable and keeping the economy open. I still think they are you are wrong but I understand it more
Nick
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It's alright going on about the deadly virus killing everybody but how many are just because everything else is going unnoticed while everything is covid?
Get everything covid in those nightingale hospitals, have normal hospitals back to as normal as possible.
Let people go about their life as normal as possible.
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Less than if there were no restrictions in place.
Sky Blue Pete
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Yep I think coldly, dispationately and unemotively that’s absolutely right
shmmeee
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shmmeee
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A hospital without staff is just a building. The NHS was already understaffed and its even worse with self isolation now.
I get you’re frustrated but this really is the only way until we’ve got herd immunity. Giving up now could lead to more mutations and an ineffective vaccine and this crap forever.
shmmeee
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This too. Let COVID run rampant and hospitals will be overrun and no one gets the care they need.
Nick
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So if there was billions to build them, staff them too.
clint van damme
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You can't just pluck trained medical staff out of thin air though.
Even in hospitals they are using non ICU specialist nurses because there aren't enough specialist nurses to go round and they're having to treat 3 patients per nurse when it's usually one on one.
The underfunding chickens are coming home to roost unfortunately.
Brighton Sky Blue
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I do think those for whom the bulk of society is making considerable sacrifices and adjustments should reconsider just going on jollies in the park and on the bus. Whenever I was going to school it was full of pensioners and it was hard not to be annoyed at least a bit.
fernandopartridge
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Heneghan has gone pretty quiet on Twitter in any case
You obviously have no understanding of the type of care somebody with covid or any other respiratory illness might need. The Nightingales are not built for it.
You obviously have no understanding of the type of care somebody with covid or any other respiratory illness might need. The Nightingales are not built for it.
Nick
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So what are they built for?
fernandopartridge
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I've posted before, they're for step down care from ICU, for people to die or people otherwise fit to be released.
David O'Day
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My mum has her appointment for her first shot a week Monday at Coventry and NW cricket club. She is cat 3 so they seem to be getting through this at a decent rate
Sky Blue Pete
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Mark DrakefordPA MediaCopyright: PA Media
There is “significant evidence” of coronavirus transmission in supermarkets, Wales' first minister has said.
Mark Drakeford announced stricter rules for shops at a press conference in Cardiff and said Wales' Test, Trace and Protect scheme showed there was “no doubt at all” that transmission was taking place in stores.
He added that while "the majority of supermarkets have worked very hard" to make their shops "as safe as possible", the visible signs of protection "have been reduced" compared to last spring.
Drakeford said it was the "responsibility of owners and managers" to make sure stricter measures were followed.
He also said the current restrictions in Wales would be reviewed on 29 January, adding that if things "continue to head in the right direction" ministers would consider whether "to begin the process of lessening the current level of restrictions".
There may be "marginal easements" to coronavirus rules in Wales if rates continue to fall, he said.
Don’t see how Hancock and johnson can claim the measure are proportionate and the only problem is people not following them. In fact we all know it’s a crock of shit
There is “significant evidence” of coronavirus transmission in supermarkets, Wales' first minister has said.
Mark Drakeford announced stricter rules for shops at a press conference in Cardiff and said Wales' Test, Trace and Protect scheme showed there was “no doubt at all” that transmission was taking place in stores.
He added that while "the majority of supermarkets have worked very hard" to make their shops "as safe as possible", the visible signs of protection "have been reduced" compared to last spring.
Drakeford said it was the "responsibility of owners and managers" to make sure stricter measures were followed.
He also said the current restrictions in Wales would be reviewed on 29 January, adding that if things "continue to head in the right direction" ministers would consider whether "to begin the process of lessening the current level of restrictions".
There may be "marginal easements" to coronavirus rules in Wales if rates continue to fall, he said.
Don’t see how Hancock and johnson can claim the measure are proportionate and the only problem is people not following them. In fact we all know it’s a crock of shit
Sky Blue Pete
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Stark
Covid-19: 'One medic saw eight people die in a single shift'
A therapist who arranges free mental health help for NHS workers says many are at "breaking point".
www.bbc.co.uk
David O'Day
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Stark
Covid-19: 'One medic saw eight people die in a single shift'
A therapist who arranges free mental health help for NHS workers says many are at "breaking point".www.bbc.co.uk
stark but when you see stories like that please remember this can happen on shifts in normal times. an aunt once saw 7 people die on one shift at the old gulson road hospital
Terry Gibson's perm
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There are still frontline nurses who haven’t had it yet.
hill83
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sORt It RoBbiNgS
fernandopartridge
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With who?
Ian1779
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This is what happens when you cut nursing bursaries and the things that go with it. People literally CANNOT AFFORD to train to become a nurse.
If it’s coming from Chartwells it would probably only include a bin liner, a belt from primark and an out of date cucumber
Liquid Gold
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This is good on our part but we need everyone to vaccinate to open the world back up
shmmeee
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We've been fucking up nursing recruitment for years from what I can tell. Saw something saying that Trusts had to show tight financial control at some point and the easiest way to do that was to just cut the nurse training places and just hire bank staff/immigrants. So the places dried up.
Now of course we've just told all those immigrant nurses to fuck off home.
You've been pushing this argument for ages and it's nonsense. We aren't locking down 'to protect the old people' we're locking down to ensure we have a health service at all and to protect the economy (people don't go out when there's a killer virus about lockdown or not - you want people to start spending/working you've got to make them feel safe by reducing the virus). And because if we let the virus run rampant it'll make vaccination and treatment harder.