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clint van damme

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Looks like 600k vaccines were administered yesterday.

Cases around 21k (Sunday numbers never reliable indication but good to see them creeping lower)

600k is some going. I'm still expecting to see a slow down when the time comes to start the round of 2nd jabs but hopefully it won't be too bad.
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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and cases and deaths down on last Sunday, still horrendously high but lets hope we're starting to see some progress towards a way out of this.

Also as you mentioned second doses above, over 10,000 were given yesterday which is the highest since Jan 13th. Whereas death/hospital figures lag at the weekend, it does seem that they peak for vaccinations then too
 
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Parents have their appointments at Stoneleigh. Got to hope that the Germany advising against over 65s for the Oxford one is over-cautious, but guess we'll find out...
 

clint van damme

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Parents have their appointments at Stoneleigh. Got to hope that the Germany advising against over 65s for the Oxford one is over-cautious, but guess we'll find out...

Good news NW. I think the Germans are talking crap mate.
I'm not sure what the opening hours are at Stoneleigh currently but I do know they're trying to get it running 24/7. Hopefully they can achieve that.
 

Grendel

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Sobering and makes football crowds less likely for the whole of 2021

Would be terribly sad


Friend works in university of warwick on the modelling

Misleading surely as the majority of people who are likely to have a risk of dying will be vaccinated. Under 40 and it’s a tiny risk But these death forecasts don’t consider that do they?
 

Grendel

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They're not talking crap, they're effectively deciding that as there's limited data, they're not going to advise for it to be used in over 65s.

Looks like we'll be providing the data!

But if your 64 in Germany it’s fine so yeah makes real sense
 

CCFCSteve

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They're not talking crap, they're effectively deciding that as there's limited data, they're not going to advise for it to be used in over 65s.

Looks like we'll be providing the data!

Yeah, Macron was the one talking crap (saying AZ/Oxford vaccine was quasi ineffective for over 65s - there is no data to support that comment). Germans, as you say, are indicating there’s not enough a data to be sure although the EMA have said they expect it will protect over 65s in the same way it does to other ages groups (hence them also approving it for all ages over 18) and every scientist I’ve heard talking about it has suggested the same

I think both France and Germany have got one eye on managing their respective publics when they have made the comments/decisions though
 

clint van damme

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They're not talking crap, they're effectively deciding that as there's limited data, they're not going to advise for it to be used in over 65s.

Looks like we'll be providing the data!

Their claims has been refuted by many other respected bodies. It's also doubtful the EU would have approved the vaccine if true.
I'm sticking by they're talking crap! Hope I'm right.
 

clint van damme

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Yeah, Macron was the one talking crap (saying AZ/Oxford vaccine was quasi ineffective for over 65s - there is no data to support that comment). Germans, as you say, are indicating there’s not enough a data to be sure although the EMA have said they expect it will protect over 65s in the same way it does to other ages groups (hence them also approving it for all ages over 18) and every scientist I’ve heard talking about it has suggested the same

I think both France and Germany have got one eye on managing their respective publics when they have made the comments/decisions though

who do you think leaked it to the press in Germany? Given what followed there was something dodgy going on.
 

Grendel

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There has to be a cut off somewhere. Surely you understand that?

There isn’t in any other country and this the where they said it was 8% effective in that age group which is horseshit
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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Misleading surely as the majority of people who are likely to have a risk of dying will be vaccinated. Under 40 and it’s a tiny risk But these death forecasts don’t consider that do they?

Keep in mind also one of the priority groups to be vaccinated is aged 18+ with severe underlying conditions
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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Not hard to predict you'd be triggered by him. Thought the Harvard epidemiologist was worth a listen. Pretty sure Femi's parents both worked for the NHS, irrelevant though really as he's not giving the answers.

I would very much like to see the evidence on there being lots of under 50s who would start flooding the intensive care units once we vaccinate the top 9 groups. Considering that this isn't going to be eradicated do we send ourselves to a lifetime of wearing masks and avoiding each other? Appreciate this isn't necessarily your view.
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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Not hard to predict you'd be triggered by him. Thought the Harvard epidemiologist was worth a listen. Pretty sure Femi's parents both worked for the NHS, irrelevant though really as he's not giving the answers.

He's a total fucking moron.

If you post a link to someone with about as much credibility as Nick Griffin you're going to get roasted I'm afraid.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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Misleading surely as the majority of people who are likely to have a risk of dying will be vaccinated. Under 40 and it’s a tiny risk But these death forecasts don’t consider that do they?
I’m pretty sure that those experts at modelling know all of that my friend and this is accurate based on their knowledge and experience over the last year and combined wisdom and experience of hundreds of years
 

Grendel

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I’m pretty sure that those experts at modelling know all of that my friend and this is accurate based on their knowledge and experience over the last year and combined wisdom and experience of hundreds of years

The data suggests not actually as if vaccines are successful you can vaccinate less than 50% of the population and eliminate 99% of deaths.

As for the hundreds of years I’m confused. Less than three hundred years ago the wisdom would have been to stick leaches on you
 

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