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SBT

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jordan210 said:


This chart is kinda crazy. Shows Us and Sweden and how similar the virus has acted vs two different approaches.

the virus does what it does Regardless of what you do to try stop it.
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Now do Sweden vs its next door neighbours!
 
Sky Blue Pete

Sky Blue Pete

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jordan210 said:


This chart is kinda crazy. Shows Us and Sweden and how similar the virus has acted vs two different approaches.

the virus does what it does Regardless of what you do to try stop it.
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And that gentlemen is why johnson and his cronies get away with it.
ITS UNPRECEDENTED
WE HAVE WORKED 24/7
We are doing all we can and always have
It’s just unlucky that we are one of the worst affected countries
No one could have done better

Excuse after excuse after excuse

The media have a lot to answer for as do we for not shouting from the rooftops that the cronyism and inaction and laziness and poor decisions have meant that this has happened not that it was inevitable
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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jordan210 said:


This chart is kinda crazy. Shows Us and Sweden and how similar the virus has acted vs two different approaches.

the virus does what it does Regardless of what you do to try stop it.
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No, that charts shows two countries who decided not to really do anything at the start to slow the virus crossing into our borders and thus make tracing infections more manageable and reducing community transmission once it inevitably got in. Then when it was here failing to bring in things like lockdown/distancing etc earlier to again reduce opportunity for it to spread. And then once they had reducing those controls way to early to allow it to regain a foothold.

So if you want to make that comparison how about comparing against countries that did?

Sweden have admitted they fucked this one right up.
 
shmmeee

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But weird to pick the two internationally recognised worst responses.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
No, that charts shows two countries who decided not to really do anything at the start to slow the virus crossing into our borders and thus make tracing infections more manageable and reducing community transmission once it inevitably got in. Then when it was here failing to bring in things like lockdown/distancing etc earlier to again reduce opportunity for it to spread. And then once they had reducing those controls way to early to allow it to regain a foothold.

So if you want to make that comparison how about comparing against countries that did?

Sweden have admitted they fucked this one right up.
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We also never had a death reduction strategy, just a hospital capacity management strategy.
 
jordan210

jordan210

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
No, that charts shows two countries who decided not to really do anything at the start to slow the virus crossing into our borders and thus make tracing infections more manageable and reducing community transmission once it inevitably got in. Then when it was here failing to bring in things like lockdown/distancing etc earlier to again reduce opportunity for it to spread. And then once they had reducing those controls way to early to allow it to regain a foothold.

So if you want to make that comparison how about comparing against countries that did?

Sweden have admitted they fucked this one right up.
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I dint make the charts. Just was interested as shows one country that hasn't realy done anything vs a country that has claimed its done everything.
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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shmmeee said:
But weird to pick the two internationally recognised worst responses.


We also never had a death reduction strategy, just a hospital capacity management strategy.
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Wierd that said strategy didn't focus heavily on "if we reduce the chance of it becoming widespread in the community there'll be less people in hospital".

It's been shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted, lived a long life in the wild and had its carcass picked clean by scavengers.
 
Ccfcisparks

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fernandopartridge said:
Aye but if the vaccine nevertheless provides protection against severe disease it isn't a huge problem. I am in no way a denialist but I am finding the recent reporting to be hysterical, particularly in relation to variants and vaccine efficacy.
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Scaremongering and a lot of “could” and “might”
 
fernandopartridge

fernandopartridge

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Appreciating that pharm companies are multinational, but in some respects seeing mutations is good for building understanding of the behaviour of the virus isn't it? Though as i understand it, not many countries carry out genomic sequencing to the extent the UK does.
 
chiefdave

chiefdave

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fernandopartridge said:
Aye but if the vaccine nevertheless provides protection against severe disease it isn't a huge problem. I am in no way a denialist but I am finding the recent reporting to be hysterical, particularly in relation to variants and vaccine efficacy.
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There's been some very irresponsible reporting. I know we're in a clickbait era but surely with something like this it should be reigned in a bit. You see headlines and then read the article to see its one expert who has said something pretty wide ranging but the media have chosen to highlight the worse case scenario and have that as their headline and all over social media.
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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chiefdave said:
There's been some very irresponsible reporting. I know we're in a clickbait era but surely with something like this it should be reigned in a bit. You see headlines and then read the article to see its one expert who has said something pretty wide ranging but the media have chosen to highlight the worse case scenario and have that as their headline and all over social media.
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It's dangerous. there are a lot of people who're really struggling to cope with lockdown and not seeing people and a sensationalist headline that gives the impression we may end up back at square one could be enough to tip some over the edge.
 
clint van damme

clint van damme

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KPMG have got 3 scenarios in their January economic outlook report. They're based on certain assumptions, all have lockdown ending in April but the worse one has further lockdowns in July, October and November due to the spread of new variants.

I'm not sure where they get the information they base their scenarios on.

Lets hope the upside scenario proves accurate

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Sky Blue Pete

Sky Blue Pete

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clint van damme said:
KPMG have got 3 scenarios in their January economic outlook report. They're based on certain assumptions, all have lockdown ending in April but the worse one has further lockdowns in July, October and November due to the spread of new variants.

I'm not sure where they get the information they base their scenarios on.

Lets hope the upside scenario proves accurate

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That’s chilling isn’t it?
I do need someone to explain to me why when people won’t get seriously ill we should worry. You know in simple Janet and Jane language

is it mutations are more likely or something else?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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Sky Blue Pete said:
That’s chilling isn’t it?
I do need someone to explain to me why when people won’t get seriously ill we should worry. You know in simple Janet and Jane language

is it mutations are more likely or something else?
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There is an argument that higher viral loads would be more conducive to new variants arising. Though I keep saying flu variants arise every year and the annual jabs for that are changed accordingly. They will have big problems with vaccine take up and civil disobedience if they start arguing for lockdowns even after everyone has protection against severe illness.
 
Sky Blue Pete

Sky Blue Pete

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
There is an argument that higher viral loads would be more conducive to new variants arising. Though I keep saying flu variants arise every year and the annual jabs for that are changed accordingly. They will have big problems with vaccine take up and civil disobedience if they start arguing for lockdowns even after everyone has protection against severe illness.
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Is it not over promising then?
 
jordan210

jordan210

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Ccfcisparks said:
678 deaths reported today compared to the 1000 figure reported yesterday.
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Best to use week on week numbers. As early week can have back loading from the weekend.

Last Thursday was 915.

Todays number also had 36 from one Trust. As it appears they had not reported for a week or so.
 
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