shmmeee
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Missus says that doesn’t work. Apparently people turn up all the time using NHS booking links and they get turned away when they turn up because they aren’t staff.
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Missus says that doesn’t work. Apparently people turn up all the time using NHS booking links and they get turned away when they turn up because they aren’t staff.
chiefdave
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Has he actually had it or just booked it? I noticed when I booked my Mums that there was nothing stopping anyone booking a slot but they say you have to show your invitation letter when you go to the appointment and if you don't have it you'll be turned away. So down to if that is being enforced or not.
Sick Boy
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If the UK’s strategy doesn’t work how would it harm confidence in the vaccine itself?
Brighton Sky Blue
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The point is simply ‘we don’t know if this works with this long a gap’ and we have decided to make the gamble on a large scale. It might well be OK, if so great, if not it’s a problem for all parties. If our death and case numbers weren’t so horrendous we probably wouldn’t have taken the risk.
Liquid Gold
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I been offered a link and as much as I want to be vaccinated it isn't fair I jump in front of more vulnerable people.
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As much as anything, that's why I wouldn't be doing it. Even if it turns out alright, it's still... a big call to go into the unknown.
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On a basic level, I'd rather my family were done than me, so why would I risk that not going to plan?
shmmeee
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One because vaccine confidence is fragile generally and any kind of “it doesn’t work” is bad. Two, preliminary data suggests the AZ vaccine does work with that gap.
Brighton Sky Blue
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I find it baffling and concerning how low the take up rate is in care home staff. Should be banned from working there as long as they refuse
Grendel
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Its more the impact on shareholder values of the company that pays him if it’s shown to work and the wrath of countries that are following the strategy - one could cynically say that as Europe in particular is lagging behind and supply issues are about to become highlighted his timing is interesting
Sky Blue Pete
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Still about one in 5?
Sick Boy
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I still don’t see how it’s going to harm confidence in the vaccine itself if it’s been administered against its guidelines and works elsewhere.
shmmeee
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You don’t think if given the choice people would rather have a vaccine they can spread out?
I’m really not sure why there’s so much pushback against the idea the CEO of a company might be biased about their own product.
If he came out and said “it’ll be fine” and it wasn’t can you imagine the shit? He has to be cautious for legal and financial reasons.
Liquid Gold
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My mum has been done but my sister is still refusing (both work in care homes). Don''t know what to say to her.
My step-dad asked me the other day what I thought about the whole 'big reset' idea. I think I'm going to change his Facebook password and not tell him what it is for a while.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Latest estimate is that just 2/3 nationally have accepted the offer
shmmeee
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What’s your sisters reasoning? Too young to worry, or lizard people controlling her thoughts?
Brighton Sky Blue
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What does your sister think will happen if she gets it?
clint van damme
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COVID-19: Vaccine doses shouldn't be more than six weeks apart, scientist behind Pfizer-BioNTech jab says
Professor Ugur Sahin says the UK should provide evidence to back up its vaccination strategy.news.sky.com
The last two paragraphs are good news though. Let's hope he's right about them.
Liquid Gold
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Her kids are vaccinated fully so she's not an anti-vaxxer, just worried about unknown side effects with it being developed quickly. I've tried telling her it's safe but she's still worried and I don't want to berate her and put her off it just to piss me off.
Brighton Sky Blue
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He might well be, but he also knows more about it because it’s his company’s product and knows the data inside out. It’s a big gamble made out of desperate necessity, not courage or prior evidence.
clint van damme
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Think it might depend where you are.
5live program about it the other day and it sounded like it had been happening in Manchester
Brighton Sky Blue
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The main side effect is being annoyed by anti vax idiots
Sick Boy
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I think most people would prefer to know that they’re properly protected against the virus.
shmmeee
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You know the data better than me but all the evidence we’ve had so far (AZ trial, antibody presence in people who had caught COVID prior to first jab) is suggesting it’s the right reasoning.
We have excellent data too. We’ve been running long term antibody tests so know a lot about how quickly people lose immunity.
Regardless, the official reasoning was even if it doesn’t work having more people slightly protected was better than having fewer people more protected.
Sky Blue Pete
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Apparently az giving side effects in Eu. Wonder why it’s not being talked about in uk? Nothing too serious though
Sick Boy
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What’s the big reset idea?!
shmmeee
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That’s an individual decision. The government have to take a population decision and on the stats even if it doesn’t work this prevents more deaths in the population.
shmmeee
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Liquid Gold
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Some conspiracy bollocks that world leaders and Bill Gates created the pandemic to completely change the economy and people's behaviour so they are in permanent control.
Sick Boy
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Let’s hope it proves to be the case in the long-term!
Brighton Sky Blue
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The thing is that 6 weeks was already pushing it to the maximum gap Pfizer’s data was reliable up to, and we’ve doubled it. An educated punt is still a punt and seeing as the first recipients were the most vulnerable of all, it’s higher risk than I would like.
Again we only switched to this idea once the numbers started turning for the worse. I defended the decision on the basis of ‘protect more a bit than fewer fully’ but only because the situation demanded it
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What are the side effects though? It seems they encourage you here to register if you get a sore arm after somebody jabs a needle into it. I wouldn't call that a particularly worrying side effect myself!
Grendel
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Well unless the actual supply rate ramps up quickly many people in the Eu will struggle to get vaccinated even once by the end of this year - long term isn’t an issue anyway as boosters I assume are required at some point as well